TN - Shooting at private Christian Covenant School, Nashville, suspect dead, multiple victims, 27 Mar 2023 #2

[nhmemorymaker]

In this case, I feel the murderer had many issues and red flags and sorely needed a support system. Perhaps they had an imaginary support system in their romantic object, but we will probably never know if the relationship was reciprocal or what was going on.

I don't think the point is to specifically discourage a particular perp, but to keep the overall pool of crime-prone and desperate people from getting bigger. No matter what caused this horrific crime, it could have been prevented - but not by law or amendments, apparently. Maybe nothing could have, but my intuition tells me that something might have prevented this.

At any rate, history is filled with horrific crimes designed to send a message. I was overly optimistic about the role of internet in making this happen less (well, crime stats say it is happening less, so I should shut up).

I have no idea what to do to prevent something like this. But I do know it could be worse.

IMO.


You said it shorter than I did. That's my same sense. That's why I think that being able to build even a single bridge to some of these young people is part of the solution. And by "young," today we mean "30 and under."

Imo

"Perhaps they had an imaginary support system in their romantic object"...

The above, is what my mind keeps coming back to. She was downright lonely, and bored, and had to invent the romantic fantasies about both of her basketball teammates. I think she desperately wanted to experience love, and never had and realized she never would, so she built up the imaginary love,with Sydney.

I think I only want to see the manifesto to see WHAT she actually does harbor as injustices against her.

But injustice collectors never see fault in themselves. "They do not engage in serious self-examination to look at their own faults or shortcomings, it is always the fault of someone else.......... these are the most dangerous individuals that we face in society." (from the great article posted up thread)

 

[Colorado303]

What a piece of crappy human

Instead of using her name ever again , I propose the media and world at large refer to her only as “Benchwarmer”.

 

[Cappuccino]

I think you and @Cryptic are both right. If I can add one more observation to your excellent list—

In her (incredibly selfish) “goodbye” text she says something bad is going to happen. HAPPEN. Not she was going to do something bad. Nothing just happened. Nothing had to happen at all. She did it herself, made a conscious pre-plotted choice. Yet phrases it like some factor other than herself would be the cause.

The poster upthread who said perhaps AH did this because she was an A$$hole may be spot on.

Imo it also shows she was legally sane at the time of the murders. She understood the consequences of her actions and she knew what she was doing was bad. So while mental health issues are obviously a factor here, she was fully culpable for murdering 6 people.

 

[YepperBepper]

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According to at least one 911 call, some staff members were armed. I think had the perp attempted to make way into the wrong room, a staff member would have addressed it. Obviously, the first line of business is getting kids to a safe place, which these staff member did VERY well. Had there been an encounter once that was done, I think the outcome would have been the same whether it was police doing the shooting or an armed staff member.

IMHO

Nashville school shooting updates: School employee says staff members carried guns

Follow along live for the latest updates Thursday in the aftermath of a deadly shooting at The Covenant School in Nashville.

www.tennessean.com

 

[whatsupp]

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According to at least one 911 call, some staff members were armed. I think had the perp attempted to make way into the wrong room, a staff member would have addressed it. Obviously, the first line of business is getting kids to a safe place, which these staff member did VERY well. Had there been an encounter once that was done, I think the outcome would have been the same whether it was police doing the shooting or an armed staff member.

IMHO

Agree the job of lockdown/keeping the kids away from the shooter worked for the most part.I'd like specifics on that, how that was accomplished.

It'll be a week Tuesday since this shooting and it's been 4 days since a press conference. It's time for the police to provide the manifesto, a more detailed description of the events as they happened and clarity on the shooters background, any mental issues she had and any drugs she.might have been on.

 

[YepperBepper]

Yes, but didn’t the fatal car crash happen in August 2022? Yet there AH apparently was back in May of 2022 honing her firearm skills in a creepy enough way to concern a total stranger.

Yes. That's my timeline conclusion, too, which at least, IMHO, means a plan was hatched earlier than that death.

Hale crashed the party in February 2022.

Another teammate died in a car crash in February (I haven't seen a name or date (link below)).

Hale was seen (with photo evidence) at the shooting range in May, 2022,


Middle school teammate that perp was obsessed with died in the car crash in August 2022.

(the timeline on this case is quite sparse, pre mass murder)

Nashville school shooter Audrey Hale was ‘stalkerish’ with ex-teammates

“I’m trying to be as respectful and also as honest as possible. It felt obsessive. It felt like stalkerish behavior,” Phillips told The Tennessean.

nypost.com

 

[whatsupp]

Yes. That's my timeline conclusion, too, which at least, IMHO, means a plan was hatched earlier than that death

Her parents were so concerned about her they did not want her owning a gun. What were their concerns? What exactly was this person's mental health background? The public deserves to know.

 

[YepperBepper]

Her parents were so concerned about her they did not want her owning a gun. What were their concerns? What exactly was this person's mental health background? The public deserves to know.

It's never been confirmed that they didn't want Hale owning guns. That said, some people don't want guns in their homes...period. Perhaps the perps parents were like this? That surely could have caused friction. Or it was specific to Hale's issues. More information definitely required...but it's slow coming out. Imho

(I have been corrected. Police statement verified the gun issue. Sorry.)

 

[whatsupp]

It's never been confirmed that they didn't want Hale owning guns. That said, some people don't want guns in their homes...period. Perhaps the perps parents were like this? That surely could have caused friction. Or it was specific to Hale's issues. More information definitely required...but it's slow coming out. Imho

Nashville mass shooter Audrey Hale hid her cache of weapons from her parents, who didn’t want her to own guns due to an emotional disorder she was being treated for, police revealed Tuesday

More guns found in transgender Nashville shooter Audrey Hale’s home: cops

Nashville mass shooter Audrey Hale hid her cache of weapons from her parents because they didn’t want her to own guns due to an emotional disorder.

nypost.com

 

[Elley Mae]

Nashville shooter was being treated for 'emotional disorder'

Shooter Audrey Hale was able to buy seven firearms despite receiving treatment for an emotional disorder. Her parents were aware of her previously having one gun, but thought she'd given it up.

www.dailymail.co.uk

At a press conference on Monday, Nashville Police Chief John Drake said of her family: 'They felt she had one weapon and that she had sold it. She was under doctors' care for an emotional disorder.

'Her parents felt like she should not own weapons, and they were under the impression that she didn't own any anymore. But she had been hiding several within the house.'

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The parents of the shooter, Audrey Hale, spoke to police and said they knew Hale had bought and sold one weapon and believed that was the extent of it.

“The parents felt (Hale) should not own weapons,” the chief said.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/28/us/covenant-school-shooting-nashville-tennessee-tuesday/index.html

 

[YepperBepper]

Nashville mass shooter Audrey Hale hid her cache of weapons from her parents, who didn’t want her to own guns due to an emotional disorder she was being treated for, police revealed Tuesday

More guns found in transgender Nashville shooter Audrey Hale’s home: cops

Nashville mass shooter Audrey Hale hid her cache of weapons from her parents because they didn’t want her to own guns due to an emotional disorder.

nypost.com

Thank you. I hadn't read a statement from police. Much appreciated.

 

[YepperBepper]

Nashville shooter was being treated for 'emotional disorder'

Shooter Audrey Hale was able to buy seven firearms despite receiving treatment for an emotional disorder. Her parents were aware of her previously having one gun, but thought she'd given it up.

www.dailymail.co.uk

At a press conference on Monday, Nashville Police Chief John Drake said of her family: 'They felt she had one weapon and that she had sold it. She was under doctors' care for an emotional disorder.

'Her parents felt like she should not own weapons, and they were under the impression that she didn't own any anymore. But she had been hiding several within the house.'

…

The parents of the shooter, Audrey Hale, spoke to police and said they knew Hale had bought and sold one weapon and believed that was the extent of it.

“The parents felt (Hale) should not own weapons,” the chief said.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/28/us/covenant-school-shooting-nashville-tennessee-tuesday/index.html

Thank you. For some reason, I thought that came from a "source".

 

[justtrish]

I haven’t listened, just read the associated articles. This teacher who called towards the end was remarkably level-headed:

After police were already in the building, a teacher called from a closet where she was sheltering with 28 students and two colleagues. A man claiming to be a police officer was outside the door, telling them they were sweeping the building. The teacher called 911 to confirm the man was who he said he was.

"I'm not going to come out with my kids unless he is indeed a police officer," the teacher said calmly.

She's another hero in this story with many heroes. Reminds me of this quote.

“When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping.”​

― Fred Rogers

 

[YepperBepper]

She's another hero in this story with many heroes. Reminds me of this quote.

“When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping.”​

― Fred Rogers

What a beautiful quote.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

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Agree the job of lockdown/keeping the kids away from the shooter worked for the most part.I'd like specifics on that, how that was accomplished.

It'll be a week Tuesday since this shooting and it's been 4 days since a press conference. It's time for the police to provide the manifesto, a more detailed description of the events as they happened and clarity on the shooters background, any mental issues she had and any drugs she.might have been on.

I don't think we will ever know the specifics, making them public could help the next maniac in their quest to kill children. I can imagine the protocols taught are very similar in each school setting and if we know what they are then any informed lunatic will find their targets much quicker.
I am in are of the staff and pupils who followed their lockdown drills so well and so quickly, especially as it's reported that Hale pulled the fire alarm to try to flush out more victims. I'm glad she didn't know where they were hiding, or where they were exiting the building.
JMO

 

[justtrish]

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I think the response here was very quick and those LEO's didn't hesitate, but what could be helpful is to have someone already on site that can then eliminate about 10 minutes of the response time in this case. Maybe not perfect, but it could be an additional resource some areas could consider if the schools do not have SROs.

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[whatsupp]

I don't think we will ever know the specifics, making them public could help the next maniac in their quest to kill children. I can imagine the protocols taught are very similar in each school setting and if we know what they are then any informed lunatic will find their targets much quicker.

There are some already calling for this act to be designated as a hate crime.

The public deserves total transparency when it comes to attacks on public spaces or protected institutions like religious organizations. We deserve to know if this was an act of bias, an act of revenge or just a mentally ill or evil individual whose been roaming the streets thinking about committing mass murder.

We also deserve total transparency on school security, where it fails and where it works.

The authorities are paid by us, serve us and report to us, not the other way around.

 

[Lyall0814]

I think if the authorities are in the mood to provide any answers it won't happen until after the funerals, whatsupp

 

[Cryptic]

The public deserves total transparency when it comes to attacks on public spaces or protected institutions like religious organizations.

Very well said, short and too the point.

Though I think the motive is far more the "standard" "My life is not successful by a variety of definitions- so I destroy / harm those who have success", I agree with you fully.

There cannot be editing, spinning, or snipping to make motives for these types of crime fit a any kind of socio political pre determination or exclusion.

 

[Cryptic]

I don't think we will ever know the specifics, making them public could help the next maniac in their quest to kill children.

I would not advocate for them to be made public in their entirety.

But, if the standard practice (and it appears to be) is for the police to release summarized versions of manifestos regarding possible terror crimes, then that practice to needs to be consistent. That goes double in today's political environment.