To all who believe Caylee is ALIVE, explain this?

[Busylady]

LR was not on ZG friends list back in July. LR probably found ZG myspace just like we all did here, as soon as story broke in the news we typed in ZG name in search feature of myspace and bang there it is.

Look at that ZG again ,look at her friends list ,all family except LR ,also I searched alot of comments sent by LR ,by punching in her name on myspace ,
She is apparently Jewish and from what I can tell ZG doesn't fit with the friends she has either ,She is no longer on WW friends list ,just in the comments.
I searched Casey's friends on facebook ,no LR,and I don't believe LR was on her myspace friends.To get ZG's real name ,they would of had to of known each other because on myspace it does not say her name.

 

[SleuthyGal]

So back to the O.P.'s question, which I find an interesting one. Where is the evidence/proof of an ALIVE Caylee? We have lots of things pointing to her death, including DNA and other forensic info, not to mention the fact that she hasn't been seen alive by anyone for 9+ weeks.

But let's say she is alive. What evidence is conclusive of that?

 

[Katie526]

My personal opinion is there is more involved in this case than a dead child. I believe there are a number of others going down for very serious charges. If you noticed the DEA closed down one of Casey's night clubs just in the past few weeks.

I didn't hear about the night club. Fusion?

 

[missy8394]

Just throwing this out there...
If Casey gave Caylee to someone, we'll say "to hold" even if she offered it as a permanent situation, (she obviously didn't sell her or she wouldn't be stealing from her friends and family), how would that person be in violation of the law...if they had the parents permission. However, if that person were to come forward now, don't you think they would suddenly become the kidnapper? They'd end up spending the reward money on bail and attorney fees...

 

[rozey]

So back to the O.P.'s question, which I find an interesting one. Where is the evidence/proof of an ALIVE Caylee? We have lots of things pointing to her death, including DNA and other forensic info, not to mention the fact that she hasn't been seen alive by anyone for 9+ weeks.

But let's say she is alive. What evidence is conclusive of that?

Great question......I would like to hear an answer to this. What evidence do you have? I can only think of one thing and that is they haven't found her body, dead or alive. IMO

 

[Evan's Mom]

U.T. Body Farm identified that first. The F.B.I. analysis confirned it. There was also a third confirmation.

When and where was this confirmed as anything but a "leak"?

 

[SleuthyGal]

Just throwing this out there...
If Casey gave Caylee to someone, we'll say "to hold" even if she offered it as a permanent situation, (she obviously didn't sell her or she wouldn't be stealing from her friends and family), how would that person be in violation of the law...if they had the parents permission. However, if that person were to come forward now, don't you think they would suddenly become the kidnapper? They'd end up spending the reward money on bail and attorney fees...

Nope. They would not face kidnapping charges because they would have had Caylee with the mother's consent. Regardless of how long they had her they reasonably believed it was by consent.

 

[diz39]

See? Everyone knows *something* about it even if they are not paying attention or following it on a daily/weekly basis. They know there's a little toddler from FL who is missing. This story has 'legs,' as they say. Just because there aren't DAILY articles in newspapers doesn't mean that people haven't heard of this case and have zero knowledge of it. Are you saying that folks in TX or on Long Island don't have TVs? They don't get national news? They can't see Nancy Grace or Larry King Live or ABC's 20/20 or FOX News or MSNBC?

Sorry, I don't buy that no one has come forward to collect $225K if they could. Someone/somewhere would know something IF she were alive! Common sense tells you this.

Sleuthy,
The old adage, "There is no honor among thieves" comes clearly to mind here. By that I mean that if someone could give a tip anonymously and get that money, do not fool yourself for one second to think they would not! They would narc out their own mother to get that money.

 

[liltigress]

Just throwing this out there...
If Casey gave Caylee to someone, we'll say "to hold" even if she offered it as a permanent situation, (she obviously didn't sell her or she wouldn't be stealing from her friends and family), how would that person be in violation of the law...if they had the parents permission. However, if that person were to come forward now, don't you think they would suddenly become the kidnapper? They'd end up spending the reward money on bail and attorney fees...

Don't forget there is also the $50,000 LP has offered with no questions asked.

To answer the question. No, I do not think someone would be investigated for kidnapping. They simply have to tell how Casey gave Caylee to them, provided it is the truth. An innocent victim of Casey's can easily be proven. There is a long line of them.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

As for the evidence, I've always thought they didn't have to disprove it, they just have to provide reasonable doubt, I always hear that the "the burden Is on the state to prove the defendant guilty as charged In the indictment beyond all reasonable doubt" (borrowed from a court website).

If there is ANY chance is could be something else,
ex. The decomposition and DNA in the trunk, it "could" be urine.

The Chloroform in the trunk, "could have" been created by mixing the urine and chlorine (from a swimming pool) or alcohol.

No to both questions. Urine does break down, but urine from a dead body (most bodies evacuate the bladder upon death and even for a while afterward) is entirely different in analysis than from a live body. There is no way to mistake that one.

The chloroform was in such a large quantity, they know it was not a matter of "accidental mixing" , which would take exact portions to even do. It is hard enough to mix acetone in a lab and get chloroform, much less an "accidental" mix.

 

[seagull65]

One of the things that amazes me the most is how often people keep saying that Casey is a sociopath and has narcissistic personality. This is because they've heard "therapists" on TV who are saying this without having ever tested, evaluated, or even met Casey Anthony. They are saying this totally based on the assumption that Casey did kill someone and is lying. So far, that assumption is based totally on appearances and suggestion, there isn't any proof, thank heavens, that has been admitted as evidence, ready to stand up to examination in a court of law.

 

[SewingDeb]

I haven't read everything on this thread yet but have to stop to make this comment. If Casey gave Caylee to a trusted friend to keep Caylee from her grandparents, what kind of trusted friend would let Casey face a murder trial rather than come forward? I mean, really!

Casey would have given up the name a long time ago if such a person existed.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Sleuthy,
The old adage, "There is no honor among thieves" comes clearly to mind here. By that I mean that if someone could give a tip anonymously and get that money, do not fool yourself for one second to think they would not! They would narc out their own mother to get that money.

Yes exactly! I would too (turn in my mother if I had to).

 

[gigi2009]

Why would Casey delete pictures, over 200 picures of Caylee on her facebook and myspace pages? If she was alive and out there somewhere-wouldn't you leave the pictures up and leave access so that as many people possible would know what she looked like? Big deal if you get nasty messages. That would even enter the picture for me, if my kid was missing and I had nothing to do with it, I could care less what people thought of me. I would just want my kid's pic everywhere! Those networks are huge. It's because Casey doesn't want a reminder of Caylee whenever she logs onto her favorite internet activity. She can't even say Caylee's name. No sketch, yet she knew her for 4 years. No photos. No communication whatsoever. Casey knows exactly what happened and she is doing whatever she can to save her butt. Which won't happen because LE has a lot they haven't released. No wonder Baez is flipping out and filing motions that are gonna make him look even more like a clown than he already is.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Don't forget there is also the $50,000 LP has offered with no questions asked.

To answer the question. No, I do not think someone would be investigated for kidnapping. They simply have to tell how Casey gave Caylee to them, provided it is the truth. An innocent victim of Casey's can easily be proven. There is a long line of them.

Casey was the "legal parent'........there was no father listed, so she had the right to give Caylee away if she chose. There would be nothing illegal about that, unless she sold her.

 

[missy8394]

Nope. They would not face kidnapping charges because they would have had Caylee with the mother's consent. Regardless of how long they had her they reasonably believed it was by consent.

I meant per Casey: "see I told you there was a kidnapper, that's them, they took Caylee"


I don't believe the whole ZG deal, but right now I do believe (hope!) she gave her to someone.

 

[laughingul]

Why didn't Casey ask TonE to get gas for her car if it had run out? Why didn't she go back even the next day and pick it up?

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This is a very interesting question- that has not occurred to me before (who knows why). But really- when you run out of gas- do you call to have someone pick you up- or do you ask them to bring gas so you can go on your way?

I think the latter.

Of course unless you let a dead body stink up your car and can't tolerate the smell anymore.

 

[seekingjustice**]

One of the things that amazes me the most is how often people keep saying that Casey is a sociopath and has narcissistic personality. This is because they've heard "therapists" on TV who are saying this without having ever tested, evaluated, or even met Casey Anthony. They are saying this totally based on the assumption that Casey did kill someone and is lying. So far, that assumption is based totally on appearances and suggestion, there isn't any proof, thank heavens, that has been admitted as evidence, ready to stand up to examination in a court of law.

IIRC, Casey's own mother Cindy called her a sociopath.

 

[gigi2009]

:clap:

No to both questions. Urine does break down, but urine from a dead body (most bodies evacuate the bladder upon death and even for a while afterward) is entirely different in analysis than from a live body. There is no way to mistake that one.

The chloroform was in such a large quantity, they know it was not a matter of "accidental mixing" , which would take exact portions to even do. It is hard enough to mix acetone in a lab and get chloroform, much less an "accidental" mix.

 

[SewingDeb]

One more comment. Why is Baez trying to stop all forensic testing? How could it possibly help to stop the testing if he is so sure it is not Caylee's decomp they are testing?

He is preparing for a murder trial even before charges have been filed.