="Brittbrat, post: 15818702, member: 261659"]Seeing some of the text messages and journal entries I’ve read I have a pretty good idea about this relationship. A lot of people give Jodi so much credit for being this diabolical evil person who went to that PPL convention in Vegas looking for a mark and found one in Travis. A lot of people seem to think she was running the long con on him.
There's actual evidence that she was in fact running a long con, and had been for months before she "accidentally" met TA.
I didn’t see it that way. I think she was in a point in her life that she wanted to get married and realized she was going to get it in Darrell. I don’t think she was some gold digger as her previous relationships weren’t with guys with money. Darrell and her split the bills for the house like 50/50 or something. So I don’t think she was after someone to pay all her bills.
Well, she paid some bills with her credit cards until she maxed them out, then stopped paying anything for anything, leaving Darrell holding the bag for everything. Until foreclosure. The gal was definitely looking for a wealthy Mormon to give her the lifestyle she felt entitled to.
I do think that she did see the front that the PPL people portray and either didn’t know it was not what it seemed to be or at least it looked better than what she was doing with her life.
I think Travis did approach her and basically swept her off her feet. She was in an exiting place, flirting with a man who found her attractive, and both were having fun. I think about all the guys she was with before and I think none of them were as attractive as Travis was. I think she found him extremely physically attractive as he did her.
As their relationship progressed he introduced her into his religion.
Actually, she had already had the Mormon missionaries making house visits BEFORE she met TA.
...the time it took her to convert to becoming a Mormon. I mean what kind of mind frame would you be in if you were willing to change your religion?
The kind of mindfrane that changed religions depending on who she was hooking up with and who she wanted to sink her hooks into...
...And whether she believed in the Book of Mormon or not she was taking the time and clearly willing to live her life being a Mormon so maybe it wasn’t all fake.
Um. The Law of Chastity? Thou shalt not steal, lie, slash the tires of your ex-BF's new GF?
So I think that aspect that he was almost a spiritual guide to her (see her journal where she writes about how cool it would be if he was to baptize their children; baptizing the whole family) plays a role. He was teaching and preaching to her the gospel, so she looked up to him in more than a regular relationship.
You give her a WHOLE lot more credit than anything in the actual record suggests is reasonable or accurate, imo.
I also think that because he brought her into his faith and baptized her that he felt more attached to her later on. Maybe one of the reason that kept him dealing with her drama and continuing to take her back. He felt he couldn’t just abandon her after bringing her into the church.
This is definitely true. And his deeply spiritual sense of religious and moral obligation to her, as a church elder and as her baptizer, is EXACTLY what she relied upon first and foremost as a weapon to use against him, and as a means of tormenting him.
I think she got swept up in the whole Mormon lifestyle, the getting married and starting a family young because she was ready for those things. I thought it was weird that she was expecting a proposal when they went to Niagara falls when they hadn’t been dating that long and he hadn’t even said “I love you”. I guess it was the whole Mormon thing, she knew they moved fast on that type of thing.
No, it was a twisted thing by a narcissist who wasn't going to take NO for an answer from TA thing.
Also if you read her journals she talked about all the trips they went on how she was weaving a life with him. She really thought they were seeing the world together that book 1,000 places played a part in the end if you ask me. The trips they went on excited her and she really enjoyed those time. They were some of the times he was most affectionate in public too.
Fast forward to her snooping his things and finding out he was flirting or whatever with other girls probably did break her heart.
No fast forwarding necessary. She snooped and spied on him from the very beginning, BEFORE they were in any kind of "relationship."
She thought she was dating this Mormon guy with these family values and he’s “cheating” on her.
Sorry, but.. PFFT. She was the one throwing her body at him, and manipulating him every which way, from the beginning, and even after he made it clear to her, from the beginning, that he wasn't ready to be in a relationship.
I think she breaks up with him, to get him to beg her back etc.
He broke it off with her, not the other way around.
I think she also moves to Mesa bc she believes if she’s in town he wouldn’t need to cheat on her that he would only be with her.
I think you're overlooking the part where he told her multiple times, in the strongest possible terms, that he did not want her to move to Mesa. At all.
What’s sad is Travis really did do some things that weren’t very nice. He did play with her emotions and keep her around even though he told everyone he didn’t want her around.
There are only so many ways to tell someone you don't want a relationship with them, that they need to go date other peeps, and finally, that they need to get the h'll out of town, ASAP and permanently.
He helped her in a hundred ways, even after she had demonstrated to him in many hundreds of ways she was deserving of none of his generousity. She stole or drstroyed everything of worth from Travis that he had earned and created and fought for for himself; his life last of all.
... because honestly he was a 30 yr old male with hormones. I think once he started having sex with Jodi he was hooked as any male adolescent who starts having sex does. He started much later so I think he’s in his sexual prime and Jodi is giving it to him freely hoping to get love in return. What’s funny is when she gives him that 5 languages of love book she says Travis thinks her language of love is physical touch, but hers is quality time and she thinks his is physical touch but it’s words of affirmation. They both think the other gets and gives love by sex, but it’s not the case. Anyway sex can be a powerful thing it bonds people together especially when the sex is good. They said they have sex that goes on for hours! I mean that’s intense. As experienced as Jodi was I don’t think she was having that kind of sex with Darrel for the last few years or if ever. I think she was so physically and sexually attracted to him and him to her that it also played a factor in the end. I don’t think he ever had that kind of sex with anyone and he couldn’t so that’s what kept him going back to her. I think she did a lot of devious things to him like pretending to be other ppl online, over the phone, and even lying about there being a spy. I think it was just her snooping his accounts because she knew his passwords and possibly security questions on things. She may have found a way to see his cell phone records online but if not I don’t think she was some high school drop out, could only find a job as a waitress - computer hacker that was able to clone his phone or computer. That’s just giving her too much credit. I see all he silly games she’s played with him on the phone like call me I have to tell you something when she really had nothing to tell him. Her borrowing his cars all the time was a way for her to see him and for people to see her driving his car. Notice when he left the car at home and told her to go switch it out she didn’t want to do that. She wouldn’t have been able to see him that way.
I think it odd that Travis couldn’t see that the staking behavior, the text to Lisa from his phone “cuddling with Jodi”, then the letter written to Lisa and the tires being slashed were all Jodi. I don’t know how he didn’t see it, but I do think she played a good role pretending not to be jealous and to be happy for him.
I don’t understand why in the end he was so sad about losing Lisa, but he broke up with her because he wanted to see other women.
No, I really don't think so. If you read through all the texts, especially, what's there is that Travis knew the killer posed a real physical threat to Lisa, and that he couldn't protect her from the killer's craziness.
It was also the case that when push came to shove, Travis was simply incapable of committing to marriage yet, no matter the intense pressure that he felt to get married. His guilt at not being able to commit to the love of his life, Deanna, haunted him literally until the end of his life.
I wonder is Mimi’s father told her Travis wasn’t the one for her??
Travis did a get jealous over Jodi dating other guys quite often.
Nah. This simply isn't true. What bothered him most was her willingness to go out with non-Mormons, her acting sleazy, sometimes in ways he thought put her in danger but definitely made her look like a w'hore to any average Mormon fellow (including her preying upon married Mormon men Travis knew), and, last, her use of pretend men & make believe dates to TRY to make him jealous.
It’s like he could do whatever he wanted and move on, but she couldn’t.
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Pfft)..
The fact that he got so upset in these jealous fits only confirmed to Jodi that he still loved her. If he didn’t want her with anyone else surely it was because he loved her. That’s how girls can take jealousy. It just reaffirmed that he still cared. When he was ignoring her she would send those accidental texts/emails to get a rise out of him so she could get that confirmation she needed that he still cared. I mean how many times have you sent a text or email to the wrong person? Once or twice in your life? She did it to him like 10 times??? Idk how many but it sure was enough times for him to catch onto her games. I’m so embarrassed for her when I read those.
Embarrassed for her?
I think how sad it was that he was always having these UFC fights and cookie parties that she couldn’t come too, it’s like he rubbed them in her face.
You're really starting to lose me here. Travis wasn't rubbing her face in a dang thing. He was trying to live his life, do his work, network, and enjoy his friends. The only reason her face could possibly have been rubbed by anything he did was because she kept putting it and herself where he didn't invite her and where she did not belong.
Including breaking into his house almost nightly to sneak sleep on his downstairs before sneaking away in the AM before she was caught.
You think why didn’t she just get away from this guy, but she couldn’t. I don’t know why he confided in Jodi that he had found the girl he wanted to marry Mimi. He had just barely met her. I bet that made her so angry. I don’t believe she ever found out until after he was dead that Mimi had turned him down. In Jodi’s mind who would not want Travis? I think she knew she was losing him. I believe she thought she should be on that trip to Cancun. She helped him get on that trip, he should take her.
Travis earned that trip to Cancun himself. Whatever help she gave him, once, over a day or so, was completely obliterated by her campaign to blow up his chance to meet quota & earn the trip, which she engaged in right after those crumbs of help she threw him.
It's also pretty clear that she conspired with Gus to ensure Travis didn't get the promotion/position he'd earned and thought was his.
There were places on the list of 1,000 places.... in Cancun. I think she wasn’t going to let him go down there and see those places without her. I do think she was really into Ryan Burns if you look at his pictures from that time frame he was a very good looking man in shape, up and coming star in PPL.
Juan Martinez and many others, including me, are pretty sure the killer had zero independent interest in Burns, factually supported perhaps, by the fact she demonstrated next to zero interest in him after she slaughtered Travis.
I think she couldn’t let Travis go on with his life after what he did to her.
Moving right along...
She gave him love and all of herself and he used her and wanted everyone else but her.
Ok, all done here.
In her mind he had to go. I wonder if she hadn’t killed him would he have found someone in time before he was kicked out of his singles ward. Something he was so terrified of, he didn’t want to join a family ward. Is that because he wouldn’t be able to date anyone from the singles ward? He just seemed to have this ticking time bomb over his head. If getting married was so important to him why was it so difficult for him to commit to one girl? I also wonder If he thought he would be happy settling down with a virgin girl after Jodi? I didn’t get to read all his journals, but something made him drag his feet. I think what Jodi did to him was completely wrong and she should have gotten the death penalty bc he did suffer. I’m not blaming the victim Travis for his murder, but he certainly played with her emotions and that isn’t right. I’ve met and dated guys like him and it really sucks. She didn’t have a right to play games with him and make him question his reality all the time either. Just a few thoughts I have on the relationship. All my opinion of course.
Some replies to some points, in bold, in your original post. Taking a QUOTE marker off to more easily see the replies.