trial day 33: the defense continues its case in chief #96

[seguek9]

It just hit me....Samuels is a travelling salesman kind of doctor, that's why he is unorganized, no secretary, no file folder, etc.

"Snake oil salesman"

 

[Schuby]

I believe this man's career as a "Professional" is above over. Perhaps Arizona needs another dog catcher. Another one involved with JA that bites the dust.

I fully expect to be sitting at a traffic light in a few months and be approached by a disheveled, confused man, going by the name of Samuels, who wants to clean my windshield for a dollar.

 

[Deleted member 95475]

I agree. Ineffective counsel is usually an effective argument only when it is discovered that exculpating evidence was available and not utilized by the DT. Or, in another way, if clearly objectionable evidence was not objected to by the DT, then the D could have a good argument.

IMHO, these lawyers are competent...there I said it (defends incoming slings and arrows:truce. But, this is a loser of a case, and it's hard to find good and competent experts to justify the actions of a sociopath that had had a myriad of versions of how she butchered Travis. Remember, she tried to make a deal for 2nd degree, but JM and the family knew that she premeditated this, had no remorse, and had been a manipulating stalker monster...no way. The DT would have cut a 25 to life deal in a second.

So, they are doing their best with this shat sandwich. My guess is that Samuels was the only psych that said, "I charge $250 an hour, what's the defense that needs to be justified?" I don't feel bad for them, but they are, as they say, "Defending the Constitution." Unfortunately, they have a delusional psychopath as a client that probably insisted on testifying, and if not, her defense required it.

Sorry for the ramble...JMHO. BTW, it's likely Baez would have gone down too if CA had testified. :twocents:

You know the inept defense and Dr. S had me wondering if JA would be able to appeal on grounds of ineffective counsel. I had trouble sleeping last night, so I spent time researching the 6th amendment, appeals of death penalty cases, the percentage of DP cases in AZ that have been overturned, etc.

With that being said, I agree with you that JA's DT is competent and she'd have a very difficult time using the ineffective counsel argument for grounds of appeal. Dr. S was their choice of "expert" witness and he's probably the only psych who would even consider working on this case. And for the percentage of DP cases that AZ has overturned, well I found several different numbers, but the lowest I found was 11% and the highest was 16%. Those are not good odds if she gets sentenced to death.

 

[Curious Me]

After Dark is going to prove Jodi faked PTSD. One show too many for me though. I already know she faked her Fog and her phone orgasms, too. I know more than Dr. Samuels most likely. I know way too much about Jodi.

Oh, I did totally love watching the clip of Jodi putting that file under her. It's playing on national tv over and over. :giggle: It's hilarious she's so sneaky on camera in a court room.

 

[Miss Behavin]

Does anyone know where I can see the clip of Travis' brother smiling that they were talking about just now on DD?

I think this may be the one https://twitter.com/JodiAriasBangs/status/314172529583460352/photo/1

 

[katiedid2]

Quote:
Originally Posted by leebee52
It just hit me....Samuels is a travelling salesman kind of doctor, that's why he is unorganized, no secretary, no file folder, etc.


Yeah he's a quack on wheels!
:seeya:

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

No, he was hired by the defense to reach a forgone conclusion, JMO, that she suffers from PTSD and the loss of brain fonction. Therefore the temporary loss of memories makes complete sense.

He didn't seem to do a very good job of it either. I mean most defense witness' at least can make their guano look professional. This guy failed miserably at even trying to do that. JMO



BBM

Perhaps he should have readministered that test.

Seriously, Juan didn't just toast him he disintegrated him. This guy was not pro defense, he was pro Jodi and there's a big difference there. JMO

BBM....love how you included "fonction"

 

[paperwing]

Jodi was arrested in Yreka 6 weeks after the murder. Travis' friends and Family have spoken. I wonder what lies Jodi told her Family.

Hm... interesting question. I don't think they talk much, but maybe they did on this. I believe her mother helped with the 2nd rental car. but I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't talk to them about what happened.

Be interesting to find out, thought...

 

[Hatfield]

Wondering if the part where he pulls out the toilet paper and says something about "carp" is where Jodi got her, "He made me feel like a piece of used toilet paper"!!! :what:

I thought the exact same thing as soon as I saw the video. I am almost positive this is where she got the idea.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

I did see Travis brother smile for the very first time today. It was priceless! This happened while martinez was vindicating Travis.

The first time I saw TA's brother with the "half smile" was when JM first got up to do his cross of JA. I think that was an aha moment for him. He could see that the slander wasn't going to go unaddressed. It's the biggest reason I love this prosecutor. He's not doing this for attention, or fame, and he sure doesn't need it for a boost to his career. He doesn't have his mug out there in the media like JB. He is doing this job because that is where his passion lies. It's all about the victim, and that has been obvious right from his opening argument.

I think that TA's family feels safe in his hands. He'll get justice for Travis. If he can't, then IMO nobody can. He has systematically torn the DT's whole defense strategy apart IMO, and he isn't finished yet.

ETA: And prior to that, during the defenses direct, he looked pained every single day. It warmed my heart to see that little half smile on his face. Tanesha, on the other hand, has not smiled once. I feel so sorry for all of them. raying:

 

[Southern_Meadow]

DD's male juror saying he's talked to convicts in lock up who say she's going to get 2nd degree, 25 year max, w/ option of parole. This is agreed upon by his co-host who said the jury will have a hard time giving her the DP because she's a woman. :banghead:

Are they both hitting the pipe? Seems to me this is a qualified jury, no?

I saw that. If she gets 2nd degree murder, I'll be even more surprised than I was by the CA verdict. I honestly don't know if she'll get the DP, but to me, all the evidence with the gas cans and the gun, I don't see a way that any juror could give her anything less than murder 1. Just wait til Juan's rebuttal with the Walmart and Tesoro witnesses and quite possibly Matt M..... then his closing argument. Ask the inmates what they think after that.

 

[Lorelilly]

IMHO if you are trying to figure out why JA brutally and viciously murdered TA using logic and reasoning, then you are doing it wrong. While I agree there were definite steps taken that constitute premeditation, I don't believe those steps were taken as the result of a logical, sensible mindset capable of predicting cause and effect.

JA and TA had a complicated relationship that went through phases and evolved over time. The consistent through-line was sexual, and that's where I think JA started confusing violence/aggression and sexuality/physical intimacy. (No, not a sexual amnesia or whatever Samuels was talking about.) I think that JA fully bought into the double standard that somehow her sexual nature and sexual activities with TA reflected negatively on her, (as a woman,) in a way they did not reflect on TA. I believe that TA promoted that idea and was attempting to rid himself of her by shaming her for her sexuality at the same time he was enjoying her availability.

I'm not interested in a religious debate, but I've heard JA use the term "courting" (courtship,) which has a specific meaning in fundamentalist christian circles. While JA may have aspired to being courted and being a good Mormon and being in the "in crowd," she must have come to the realization ultimately that she instead had lost all self-respect. As a feminist I know many women, myself included, who have had to work through issues of self-identity as it relates to sexuality. JA made the decision to destroy TA as an object of her own self-hatred. After all, TA was going, (or had gone,) to the Bishop to begin the process of repentance and coming back into the Mormon fold. That was not an option open to JA without exposing her sexuality to the scrutiny of others, a much more dangerous prospect likely to arouse condemnation and disgust. (And she is one who, according to Ryan Burns, was socially awkward even in amongst other PPL folks whom she knew well.)

As another poster pointed out in a thread long gone, JA was jealous of TA's success; financial, interpersonal, material, familial, spiritual, all of it. I believe she killed him as the only means she could see to pull herself up from the bottom of the barrel, from depravity, from self-loathing. I believe she wanted power over him, to control him, to have the last word, to inflict as much pain as possible. I don't believe she was mad about any one thing; Cancun, the other women, being called a *advertiser censored*, *nal sex. The paradox of JA's actions is that she killed TA to bury all the "bad" in herself, but instead she uncovered it for all the world to see.

Very thoughtful post. And it makes sense. Excellent point about it being easier for TA to "come back" from their sexual liaisons. She is an empty shell with no soul to speak of. At first blush she appears okay but upon any further interaction with others she comes off as strange. She is akin to a Black Widow and God have mercy on the one who tries to get away. Shes dangerous to anyone and anything that gets in her way.

 

[panthera]

I was so angry when she feigned ignorance regarding anal/vaginal sex and the Mormon faith. Even if the Book of Mormon didn't have any "specifics," she doesn't know the story of Sodom & Gomorrah? Kind of how 'sodomy' got its name...and I wanted to slap her when she asked Juan "Is that 2nd Nephi?" :banghead:

She was superficially interested in religion only to make herself more marketable to her grifting victims. She's a bottom feeding con artist.

BBM

And the Biblical "wolf in sheep's clothing". Or the devil incarnate.

I also believe she deliberately led Travis into "sin" on June 4 knowing he wouldn't be able to confess to his Bishop. However I also believe Travis is in Heaven.....and for what she did to him, she will be the furthest place from it.

:furious:

MOO

 

[Renee110]

ooohhh....my favorite word of the day that Juan used: Malingering: In medicine, malingering is fabricating or exaggerating the symptoms of mental or physical disorders for a variety of "secondary gain" motives, which may include financial compensation (often tied to fraud); avoiding school, work or military service; obtaining drugs; getting lighter criminal sentences; or simply to attract attention or sympathy.

He used it around the 5 min mark in this video today:Jodi Arias Trial - Day 33 - Part 2 - YouTube

 

[TigerBalm]

I believe this man's career as a "Professional" is above over. Perhaps Arizona needs another dog catcher. Another one involved with JA that bites the dust.

:dunno: When did it ever really begin. :lol:

 

[Truth Detector]

I was so angry when she feigned ignorance regarding anal/vaginal sex and the Mormon faith. Even if the Book of Mormon didn't have any "specifics," she doesn't know the story of Sodom & Gomorrah? Kind of how 'sodomy' got its name...and I wanted to slap her when she asked Juan "Is that 2nd Nephi?" :banghead:

She was superficially interested in religion only to make herself more marketable to her grifting victims. She's a bottom feeding con artist.

Don't forget what Abe Abdelhadi says regarding JA's deep and abiding convictions to her new-found faith:

Abe [reaching for the back of Jodi's unmentionables...]: Those aren't magic underwear!

Jodi: No, but there's magic in them! [Tee hee hee]

 

[Mrs G Norris]

After Dark is going to prove Jodi faked PTSD. One show too many for me though. I already know she faked her Fog and her phone orgasms, too. I know more than Dr. Samuels most likely. I know way too much about Jodi.

Yeah and that stupid judge from the Anna Nicole Smith Trial, can't do it.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I just saw a video clip of Jodi taking a file or notebook from the desk and hiding it under butt during the trial. Anyone know why she did this??

I wondered about this too. Anyone know?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

No offense intended here, but maybe Travis' friends could keep their videos private until the defense rests their case? They've already subpoenaed the shooting range one. Let's not give them anything else. :moo:

That video has already been out. I watched it long before David presented it to Dr. Drew. Who would they subpoena about the case concerning this video? Travis since he is the only one in it?

I am so glad that they are showing Travis as a living breathing person to show what Jodi destroyed. Travis was hilarious when playing this role and like David said what made it so funny is the character he was playing was so unlike Travis yet he did a wonderful job.

IMO

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Levi now: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2013/03/20/latest-on-the-jodi-arias-case?ie8c=0