trial day 40: the defense continues its case in chief #119

[TXHoney]

so im going over the testimony of the car rental guy,he says there were "kool aid stains" in the back and front passenger seats?! wth?!

pretty sure that was blood,but more to the point she just left it like that ?

Blood is a protein and very hard to remove once it's set in for awhile.

 

[camcneishg]

about an hour to go now.......

 

[rose222]

BBM

I think his threat to expose her to her future prospective targets in the Mormon/PPL hunting ground was the actual final straw. Remember, she'd already lined up the next "prospect" in Ryan. TA was threatening her reputation, which meant he was threatening her ability to enmesh future targets. He was threatening to damage the perception of her in the tight-knit Mormon and PPL communities. That really wasn't something JA could allow.

Although I know the prosecution isn't required to provide motive, I think it would really help. IMO the prosecution needs to give the jury more than just jealousy as the motive for this horrible crime. When the crime is beyond normal human comprehension, IMO extra care needs to be paid to emotional background and foundation.

I remember being worried at the close of the prosecution case against that woman in Florida that not enough motive had been gone into. The prosecution never showed the paper found in the abandoned death-stinking car covered in Mrs. Tony signatures, nor how said love interest "wanted boys" if he ever had kids and wouldn't allow her child to hang out at his college-guy apartment because it wasn't appropriate for the child. The jury didn't know about the ongoing tensions between mother and daughter, etc. *sigh*

MOO of course.

Those jurors in the KC trial would have never convicted her. Even if she had said 'Yes I did it' they would have said 'Oh no she didn't really do it. She's just taking the blame.' :banghead:

I think JM will provide the motive. He will lay out everything very simply and clearly in the closing argument.

 

[Steely Dan]

The other day I mentioned a bus driver I decided I was in a relationship with even though he doesn't know about me - well apart from when I say hi on his route. I didn't see him today. I hope he hasn't gone on holiday without me :furious::furious:

Start Mapquesting.

 

[VALee]

I'll be the chick in the public gallery in sunglasses to avoid the glare.

It would be so cool if you could shout out "oh no you didn't just say that, false! Me and my websleuths peeps already checked that out 8263 posts ago. Juan, for the love, please add websleuths to the rebuttal witness list" lease:lease:lease:

 

[Truth Detector]

In Jodi world, it is a salute to Travis. :furious::furious::furious::furious:

She's been trying for four and a half years to educate us.

St. Jodi of Arias, as she sees herself, needs the jury to believe that she did Travis a favor.

She sacrificed herself out of her love for him and their families.

I know, I know. That makes no sense to you and me.

But we're not as smart as the lying, narcissistic, torture-murderess, you see.

The images of little underwear boys who float to the floor "in that chaotic pattern that paper falls" are safe now, thanks to St. Jodi of Arias.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

JA had a singing engagement to see the National Anthem..Yea Right..Someone needed to tell her she sucked at singing!!

:what: omg ... lol ... at the SuperBowl, no doubt ... lol !

:floorlaugh:

 

[dallen555]

Yes, I have noticed that she seems on edge lately, overreacting sort of, sensitive.

 

[hindsight2020]

Good Morning fellow WS!:seeya:

I am so tired of the DT shenanigans and how they are dragging this trial out!

I do hope LaV is feeling better today, she has to face the music really soon and I will certainly be dancing to that tune, hoping today is that day.

Go Juan!

Justice for Travis Victor Alexander!

 

[WhoaIsMe]

Chills...

I just read the exteded interview with Sandy, Jodi's mom.

When asked by police if she had any suspicion of her daughter in the murder, she said:

"I asked her, because that's the first thing I asked her.....I said, did you go to Arizona and she said no, I was nowhere near Arizona and I have gas receipts and everything to prove it."

THAT RIGHT THERE should be enough to show she deliberately planned the location of those gas receipts to specifically give the appearance of her not being in Arizona. And she could have never done that without the gas cans. And we now know she was in Arizona and that in the days following the murder she was already planting the seed of her alibi by offering up the tangible evidence she premeditated.

Think of it this way....SHE knew she was in Arizona, so the only reason she knew it was safe to offer up the alibi of the gas receipts was because SHE ALREADY KNEW that was what the gas receipts would prove - because she planned it that way.

A person taking a long trip would not remember every single gas station you stopped at and if you were faced with a traumatic situation shortly after that trip, there is no way you would make any definitive statements about where you had stopped for gas because that wouldn't be a detail with high priority relative to the tragedy- the ONLY way you could make that kind of definitive claim is if you already knew where you PLANNED to stop for gas in advance.

Frustrating - I don't know why Sandy's interview can't be used in court? If ALV can get up there and regurgitate Jodi's words, why can't her mother???

I can only speak for me, but we take long trips every couple of months for work. We just took one yesterday from VA back to our home in AL. I NEVER remember where we buy gas unless I'm already familiar with the town. It's not significant so my mind just kicks the information out. To be honest, most of the time I don't even pay attention to where I'm stopping for gas while I'm there, let alone saving that information for later use. I could not tell you where I stopped yesterday. I know we drove through a good bit of VA, NC, SC, GA and most of AL; unless I go look at the receipts I can't tell you for certain in which states we stopped to buy fuel . And that was yesterday!

 

[gcharlie]

Well that is Jodi's problem isn't it? I mean when you stab a guy 29 times, slit his throat, and shoot him in the head, don't think for ONE moment you are going to get a jury to believe it was self dense. She is going down! And so is her defense team and their "experts".

I know, I know, I watch too much TV, but are there any criminologists out there?

If it were just the stabbing of TA, I could see possibly trying to say Travis was killed in a moment of rage.

But the slitting of his throat was savage and sadistic. Combined with the gunshot, it blows the rage theory for me because these actions are distinctly different, counter to my idea of blinding rage. Using a knife was so personal.

I do believe that she left CA fully intending to slaughter him in the most gruesome way possible.

And the way she left his body?

 

[Hopeful One]

:seeya: I'm so sorry Hopeful ... but she reminds me so much of JA -- "braids" and all !

:moo:

That she does!! Very scary!!

 

[nachomama]

Quote:
Originally Posted by gauntlet
The other day I mentioned a bus driver I decided I was in a relationship with even though he doesn't know about me - well apart from when I say hi on his route. I didn't see him today. I hope he hasn't gone on holiday without me

Start Mapquesting.


and start collecting Gas Cans !!

 

[Hopeful One]

If the picture freaks you out--see the movie, if you did not?
The Bad Seed--way ahead of its time. Young psychopath indeed.

Oh yes, I've seen the movie a few times. It's so scary and disturbing!!! And I don't get scared by many movies. That one though, I need to make sure I snuggle up to my husband in bed after watching it. I'm scared she'll sneak in and stab my face off.

 

[Puzzler]

Those jurors in the KC trial would have never convicted her. Even if she had said 'Yes I did it' they would have said 'Oh no she didn't really do it. She's just taking the blame.' :banghead:

I think JM will provide the motive. He will lay out everything very simply and clearly in the closing argument.

Sadly, you're probably right. Okay, I will put my faith in Juan and stop worrying so much.

 

[bznbear]

IMO, she has bigger things to worry about than one little slip. Her credibility as a DV "professional" is on the line and she MUST sense that. I mean, her entire CAREER is about to be put under a microscope.

Maybe it all sounded a lot plausible in her head as she prepared. Then, when she started talking, she thought, "Heavens! I sound NUTS!" Or maybe she really IS sick. The problem for the DT is that they've cried wolf so many times, nobody believes them OR their client.

Truly, though, ALV is a bright enough person not to have fallen hook, line and sinker for this. She doesn't believe it. Nobody in her right mind would believe it with the evidence presented. She's privy to info on the slashed tires, anonymous email, etc. She saw those police interviews with the parents. She KNOWS.

ALV is egotistical, though. I've seen sparks of it during her testimony. Little jabs thrown after the bell, er, objection. She probably thought she was SMART enough she could convince OTHERS to buy it. She also thought JA would do a better job of "selling it" on the stand before she even got up there. She was never supposed to be the "star witness." THAT was supposed to be JA.

Every time ALV looks at the jury, she realizes she is digging herself in deeper and deeper. These people are over it. And JW is so excruciatingly slow in her questioning, she is stuck up there for days on end just dreading Juan Martinez and knowing he is going to nail her down on every point.

Still, the fact is she seems more concerned with self-preservation than with the damage she is doing to TA's family and to the real victims of DV. Not unlike a certain person who stayed on the stand for 18 days. :moo:

You've made a very interesting observation here. I thought during the "doc's" testimony, he seemed very arrogant, and unaware of how badly he came across on the stand.

I opined at the time he may be narcissistic. Now, I find myself wondering about ALV.

The DT apparently had to look a long time to find someone willing to agree with and assert their ridiculous claims of PTSD and DV under oath. What kind of ego does that take - to believe they can "sell" this completely inane defense? One similar to JA's?

But their deceit is very transparent to me, and their defense of JA's brutality is beyond reprehensible. I hope they are sanctioned by their "peers". moo

 

[The Farm]

She's been trying for four and a half years to educate us.

St. Jodi of Arias, as she sees herself, needs the jury to believe that she did Travis a favor.

She sacrificed herself out of her love for him and their families.

I know, I know. That makes no sense to you and me.

But we're not as smart as the lying, narcissistic, torture-murderess, you see.

The images of little underwear boys who float to the floor "in that chaotic pattern that paper falls" are safe now, thanks to St. Jodi of Arias.

Thank you, almost peed my pants. Not a good thing at work.

 

[cricket49]

I was really annoyed yesterday when an HLN played excerpts from the parents' interviews where they clearly were prepared to accept Det. Flores's statement that he had overwhelming evidence that Jodi had killed Travis. One of the commentators said that parents like that explain how Jodi got the way she is. Really? Travis would be alive if Jodi's parents had been in denial about their daughter's sociopathy?

The parents were right to accept what Det. Flores said. It was the truth! I am sure they were thinking about all the lies, the rules breaking, the time she got mad at her little brother and took a baseball bat to him, her lack of empathy for others. She isn't normal and they knew that.

Her parents are victims of Jodi also.

It is very hard to find help on the mental illness side when the person is an adult. Jodi fought them tooth and nail. The tapes show Jodi never told her parents anything - very secretive. Her mother said they tried to get her help. I am sure in Jodi World...they was nothing wrong with her.

My brother has a wife with mental illness and let me say, he is mentally, physically and financially drained from living with her for 30 years. It is not easy and our family and her family are amazed that he has taken great care of her his entire life.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

When entering Alyce's world I get the down the rabbit hole feeling, JA is the queen of hearts and I'm the dormouse snoozing away until she finishes direct. :facepalm:

I think all fantasy worlds have a special entrance - a rabbit hole, a tornado, the back of a wardrobe...

 

[VALee]

I know, I know, I watch too much TV, but are there any criminologists out there?

If it were just the stabbing of TA, I could see possibly trying to say Travis was killed in a moment of rage.

But the slitting of his throat was savage and sadistic. Combined with the gunshot, it blows the rage theory for me because these actions are distinctly different, counter to my idea of blinding rage. Using a knife was so personal.

I do believe that she left CA fully intending to slaughter him in the most gruesome way possible.

And the way she left his body?

BBM And we add to that a stab to the heart. That's two distinct types of knife wounds, a slice and a stab, that required repositioning, plus a gunshot, which required changing weapons. I agree, too many opps to reconsider what the heck she was doing, it was about making sure he was dead, which is MURDER ONE.