trial day 48: REBUTTAL #147

[InALandFarFarAway]

I think they were caught off guard when JM finished so fast. They both jumped straight up and JW started getting her papers together. They were not expecting to have to cross today. jmo

I agree. Couldn't you just hear Clever Juan saying to himself, "I know you can't bring it, but go ahead anyway."

LOL

 

[DairyGirl]

Actually, from my untrained memory I thought it was called borderline personality because it is hard to define and has the characteristics of other personality disorders but not fully, thus the term borderline, as in the borderline of other diagnoses.

 

[AstroKitty]

I just want to take a second and point out that diagnosing someone with a personality disorder is f'n difficult. your patient has to be either cooperating to get better (aka being really honest and forthright) or the DR has to conduct very intense studies. As a person that's trying to hide something spends more time trying to keep up their defenses etc, they tend to get sloppy and hasty.

Honestly BPD is more likely to hurt themselves than anyone else and that's a fact.

 

[Tipstaff]

Thank you I also thought he seemed a bit subdued. I know he has family in the New England area. I pray all that he knows and loves are ok. Something just feels off tonight.

DD said last night his son is near Boston. He was angry and upset. And I got the feeling he just didn't want to dissect the JA trial when the Boston bombing was so much on his mind. He kept trying to reach Anderson Cooper and didn't seem to be able to get him on the air.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Curious, interesting take on Dr. DM presentation thanks for sharing your thoughts. I actually perceived her as being respectful of a court of law, but I really didn't see indicators of nervousness at all.

Maybe I was wrong. One thing is sure....she was brilliant in her explanations and I believe she knows what she is talking about. As I said in another post, some of the medical terminology has me stumped but that is my problem.

 

[LambChop]

Missed it...will watch it again. Jodi is sending the evil eye {witchcraft beliefs}......don't think she'll have much luck. Dr DeMarte is much more powerful. :rocker:

I must say, Jodi not looking very "Snow Whitish".

 

[TXProfessional]

Maybe I was wrong. One thing is sure....she was brilliant in her explanations and I believe she knows what she is talking about. As I said in another post, some of the medical terminology has me stumped but that is my problem.

I thought you did a great job of giving me a different perspective and I appreciated it. :seeya:

 

[IBsleuthin]

Help!!!

I had to rip myself away from the computer to attend a school function and then FEED the children in the house. IMAGINE.

I left right after JW was sinking her own battleship by TRYING to discredit JD's CV? What was JW thinking. Just made herself really look lame.

Anyone? Care to PLEASE?? catch me up? Could just be a short, condensed version.

(YOu don't need to list the lectures). :jail: lease:

 

[SuperTmo]

I don't even think he needs to do that. The comparison is a joke. JA wasn't abused. Those little children were. I don't see how those things are the same.

Exactly. It's very natural to feel empathy or even sympathy for an abused or homeless child. It's a HUGE stretch for me to even consider feeling sorry for someone who did what JA did, even if it was legitimate self defense. She destroyed Travis' body. Even if he was a monster, there is NO reason in the world to use the force that JA did. Anyone who feels sorry for her must be broken somehow.

 

[HarvestMoon]

What was Jodi doing during court all day? She never looked at the witness. Instead it appeared that she was copying material from a book, writing onto another sheet. Anyone know I watched all day and couldn't figure it out.

Who knows. She looked bizarre tossing her head constantly from one side to the other. Then writing or something. For someone so supposedly smart, it sure didn't look like it.

 

[Dr. Nick]

I'm not surprised that Dr. Drew would be critical of Dr. DeMarte. She did project a little stage fright at first and her voice got a little reedy at times. I guess the TV Dr. would focus on that (style vs. substance) and not notice that she steadied perfectly when discussing something other than herself. She the polar opposite if the defense witnesses who could only defend their opinions by mugging and bellowing about their years of experience. I think it's pretty obvious that if you're doing something wrong, the number of years that you've spent doing it wrong isn't something to brag about.

As soon as she started talking about the science she was calm and credible and knew chapter and verse of what she was discussing. She didn't have to consult a survey article as Dr. Samuels did, nor did she reference a "continuum" that she changes whenever she feels like it. I don't mean to belittle Dr. Drew, but if he didn't see the contrast between the defense experts bravado and Dr. DeMarte's professional competence then he's simply not paying attention.

 

[AstroKitty]

Actually, from my untrained memory I thought it was called borderline personality because it is hard to define and has the characteristics of other personality disorders but not fully, thus the term borderline, as in the borderline of other diagnoses.

100% correct! :rocker: It's incredibly hard to get diagnosed. I find myself fortunate that I was diagnosed with this because in my adult life I've not disclosed it and wanted to believe I wasn't plagued with it. I was diagnosed with a lot of other things and after seretonin intoxication - I realized I can't ever find a cure in a pill and therapy is where it's at. So I easily can pass as a ton of other things depending on my mood that day and what I'm willing to discuss.

 

[TexMex]

In the Medical Modal for Evaluations or Psychosocial Assessments, Therapists use an Axis format. Though Social Workers use a different format, Goal oriented format.

Axis I: The presiding or current problem
Axis II: personality Disorder
Axis III: General medical Condition (Dr fills this out)
Axis IV: Psychosocial and Environmental Factors contributing to disorder (divorce, death, moving from family home, etc)
Axis V: Social Function, i.e. able function on a daily level

Now, what I was attempting to say (DX is diagnosis by the way. Dx progress note lingo oooooops regress back to them old days)

On Axis II, the therapist/psychologist can have more than one Dx (shorthand) if it is warranted.

However, The Borderline personality Disorder (I don't know acronyms us old foggies didn't use them back "then") may be many. However, the Dx we very very smart Websleuthers know she is (whisper antisocial /psychopath) did not apply in the DT Direct testimony and/or was too prejudicial.

The other possible Dx's just didn't apply because it was not brought into evidence during Defense's Direct Case in Chief.

I hope this makes a bit more sense and less Progress note (ish). I apologize.

bbm.

I think you are right. Maybe the defense argued its too prejudicial or..Juan didn't want that term used because jurors might think Jodi was insane when she killed Travis.

 

[Juli]

And THAT'S how a professional shows compassion! She doesn't insert herself into a client's personal life, prompting a personal, familiar relationship. If your job is to collect data, then you collect data. You don't become personally INVOLVED in a patient's life! That's ABUSIVE.

I see a doctor on a regular basis. We don't sit around and jaw for 44 hours and he doesn't send me presents. He acts like a doctor.

Is that a foreign concept to JW & Co?

:goodpost:

That was the highlight of the day for me. Her answers were excellent, and she clearly explained where the professional line in the sand is drawn between an evaluator and therapist. I thought her 1 day testimony is evidence that you don't need 10 days (or however long ALV was on the stand) to get to the root of the problem. Bing, bang, boom - and done.

She was a much needed breath of fresh air!

 

[panthera]

watching the beginning of "After Dark" on HLN. Something just struck me as very humerous in one of the clips from Jodi's previous testimony.

She is the only person I know who would drive a million miles out of the way to get cheaper gas. LMAO
Just kidding of course, but her answers just scream out as lying on some of those excuses she gave on the gas cans.

Another thing is at one point she said she didn't want to pay the high gas prices in Southern California yet that is exactly where she filled up the gas cans. Then she says she didn't want to get gas in NV or UT. She has another fill-up-the-gas cans in SLC, however.

On HLN they are also illustrating how far she went off the direct route from Southern California to Utah by diverting to AZ, the one place with no receipts.

:liar:

 

[Gypsy Road]

Did anyone catch that Jodi gave the finger to Dr. DeMarte today?

I am watching Croakerqueen Day 48 Part 3 on Youtube. (Had to work all day so am catching up.) It is clear as day but very quick.

Jodi glares at Dr. DeMarte, grabs her glasses and flips her the bird as she is putting them on. Start at about 36:10 and watch carefully. It is right about 36:18.

If you eagle eyes already caught it, just ignore me.:seeya:

I didn't catch it, but it doesn't surprise me! She admitted giving NG the bird in one of her early tweets, but then her little friend from jail who is tweeting for her said "oh Jody was just pushing up her glasses - not giving the finger" blah blah blah. Wish someone would call her out on it. Wish the jurors were close enough to see her little gestures!

 

[Arishia]

Hi All, I am an attorney (not yet verified by Websleuths). I watched JW's cross today and I am underwhelmed. I guess the point that JW is trying to make is that Dr. D. is inexperienced... but JW is falling short and the result is that Dr. D. simply is getting more opportunities to expound on her experience and education. Notice that JW seems to be asking questions that allow the witness to talk, rather than "directing" the testimony as Juan does on cross.

Whether you like Juan's style or not, from an attorney's standpoint, he is phenomenal at controlling a witness on cross. Cross-exam is a very tough skill that many attorneys will never perfect in their careers, but Juan does it. He also seems to have a slight or partial photographic memory. His ability to recall dates, specific phrases, specific incidents, previous testimony, etc is incredible and rare.

:goodpost: I'm not a lawyer but I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[ljwf22]

Did Dr. Drew already do his 'jurors'? And was his behavior bureau only shown once? I admit I have been doing other things but tonight's show seems way different than normal...

I don't think he had them on. Also didn't see Katie (one of his jurors) in the courtroom.

Oops, KatieDDJ was in the courtroom! :blushing:

 

[Bernina]

Wilmont's cross sounded more like interviewing a perspective employee for a job. I mean, REALLY? Probably Samuels and ALV haven't had experience with 1/4 of those tests DD rattled off. And stuff not on her CV? PULEEZE! She didn't put some lectures on it because it's secondary to her clients and she doesn't use her CV that often.........OMG. Come on, Wilmont, is THAT all you've got? Go after DD's credentials? It's not working!

And with JA busily coloring in her "Snow White" coloring book most of the day, did you all notice that when the diagnosis, "Borderline Personality Disorder" popped up, "someone" dropped her crayons and stared down DD? If looks could kill........

DD comes off very professional, observes the court rules, articulates well, gives the jury their respect, and does a good job "correcting" JW when JW looses her train of thought or doesn't have her information current. DD is showing no bias, using the proper tests, the proper test sheets and test grading protocol, and, evidently has a passion for her line of forensics.

Someone should check what JW has in her drinking cup.....she talked like she had drunk a case of Red Bull.:facepalm:

 

[buckeyefan1]

Did anyone catch that Jodi gave the finger to Dr. DeMarte today?

I am watching Croakerqueen Day 48 Part 3 on Youtube. (Had to work all day so am catching up.) It is clear as day but very quick.

Jodi glares at Dr. DeMarte, grabs her glasses and flips her the bird as she is putting them on. Start at about 36:10 and watch carefully. It is right about 36:18.

If you eagle eyes already caught it, just ignore me.:seeya:

It was really fast, but it did kind of look like it. I think JW saw it too.