Trial Discussion Thread #1 - 14.03.03-06, Day 1-4

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This first witness Dr Michelle Burger made an excellent witness for the prosecution, in their attempt to nullify Oscar’s sworn affidavit that he and Reeva were in bed by 10 pm and went to sleep shortly after he had watched some TV and Reeva completed her yoga exercises. She was articulate poised and forthright in her views and wasn't intimidated by Roux’s barrage of trick questions which were meant to make her nervous doubt her own recollections of the night in question eat her words and cast aspirations on her own testimony in her sworn testimony to the detective who visited her home and wrote down her statement in Afrikaans even though in it she only used the words I heard a Women scream, the judge in her wisdom has noted the difference in her statement given to the police and her testimony in her court. It is the duty of the Defense Attorney to point out any lacuna or inconsistencies in the prosecutions witnesses’ testimony and try to create doubts in the mind of the judge where none exist and try his level best to tie her up in knots; this is what he gets paid for to use any legitimate means approved by the court to defend his client and ensure his client gets a fair trial even though there exists a mountain of evidence that will prove his client is guilty as charged of premeditated murder.

It was the duty of the Prosecutor Andre Nel to raise objections to Roux attempt to discredit her testimony and misdirect the court but for some odd reason he was quite muted, maybe he has many more witnesses who will back up Dr Burger’s testimony. I only hope that Nel makes them stick to their written and sworn testimonies to the investigation team, sadly it was left to Dr Burger to remind the court that Roux’s cross examination questions should be directed at his client Oscar Pistorius and not her! Some members have already cast doubts about the competence of the Lady Judge which is totally uncalled for given that today was only the first day and she has to be totally unbiased and shown to be fair in her rulings and judgments, she has to display at all times that she is the boss of her court and won’t be swayed by slander and innuendo under any circumstances. A female judge was selected for the sole reason that South Africa has a very high rate of crime committed against women by men known to them; this should be sufficient food for thought for some members who are rushing to judgement with no evidence to prove their arguments.

University lecturer Michelle Burger did give Roux a well deserved knockout punch in his solar plexus when he attempted to insinuate that she was lying that she could have gone back to sleep after heard the blood curling petrifying screams of a women at 3 am and concluded along with her husband that something terrible was happening in that home, when she angrily reminded the court and the judge that her sisters baby died on Friday and she slept and she sleeps well after traumatic events. Had she reminded the Court that she has been a Women ALL her life, therefore recognizing and differentiating between a women’s life threatening screams which woke her up along with her husband on a silent night at 3 am followed by a Man’s cry for help, cannot be questioned whatever may be the circumstances, that made her conclude innocently and rightly so that robbers where attacking and brutally murdering their targeted victims in a home nearby.
 
Great to see you back, Carol70!

There was a poster on the previous thread, now locked, who is from SA and wanted to know if anyone else was. I don't remember her name, but I believe it was on one of the last 3 pages or so.

:welcomeback:
Thanks so much kitty! :) Just popped over to the other thread and will send a pm, will be nice to have a fellow saffer here.

lol, and just to be clear, I was never convinced of OP innocence, Im just going with what the evidence will tell us and I'm still very much on the fence. :fence:

Im really looking forward to see what comes out during trial and the ensuing debate haha. That being said, regardless of the outcome, be he found guilty or not....OP's star shines no more. He will not recover from this in any way or form.
 
Good morning all.....I have the seal up and some rehashing of yesterday I think.
 
At this point my main concerns have been the translator and the Judge.

I hope they have found a better translator today or do not need one!

As far as the Judge is concerned, her body language shows a very soft person and her voice has no authority. She exerts no control over the courtroom. She allowed herself to be manipulated by bully Barry and for him to badger the witness trying to get the answer out of her that he wants. Gerrie Nel eventually stepped in after five times but not early enough. He also does not have a very authoritative persona either to handle Barry Roux.

Maybe today will be different.

But I must say that reading comments to articles on MSM such as News24, almost everyone praised MB and had little respect for Barry Roux. Some of the things they said were laughable especially when he said OP cries like a woman.

BTW didn't Barry Roux claim that he had witnesses who would verify that OP screams like a girl? I also noticed that when OP replied "not guilty, m'lady", his voice seemed weaker than at other times so maybe he has been told to act like that for this trial. Lawyers get up to all sorts of tricks.
 
oh boy, this guy IS annoying:scared:

Argh, yes he is!! And the "mah lady" business is getting old real quick.

I know they are hiding the witnesses from the camera, but do you know if we'll get to see the exhibits as other witnesses testify such as maps, evidence photos, etc? I hope so.
 
Roux is doing a pretty good job with this witness, as annoying as he may seem
 
oh boy, this guy IS annoying:scared:

Absolutely, he has started badgering again.The lady has answered over and over again his repeated question, yet the judge has told her to answer just yes or no. Poor woman please don't be intimidated into saying what he so desperately wants to hear. They are also showing her face on TV and it has been asked if this is allowed.
 
Rut Roh.... witness was shown on television..... hope we don't lose feed over this
 
Now the court is in a break b/c it was brought to the attention of the prosecutor that the witnesses' face is being shown against a court order that she not be shown.
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yep, and now we are out...........yawn. wonder how long this break will be.
 
Did anyone see the witness??
I didn't but then again I'm mostly watching with my eyes closed, its the middle of the night, my eyes are trying to sleep while my brain wants to watch the trial. :countsheep::great:
 
Oscar Trial Channel ‏@OscarTrial199

PLEASE NOTE: We confirm that the footage of the witness, Michelle Burger, was NOT broadcast from our TV channel 199.

https://twitter.com/OscarTrial199
 
and why is she referring to him, Roux, as ma lady?
 
Did anyone see the witness??
I didn't but then again I'm mostly watching with my eyes closed, its the middle of the night, my eyes are trying to sleep while my brain wants to watch the trial. :countsheep::great:

No, but I have like 4 screens open and I'm goofing around while I listen. It sounded like they said the feed was coming from somebody's cell phone.
 
Did anyone see the witness??
I didn't but then again I'm mostly watching with my eyes closed, its the middle of the night, my eyes are trying to sleep while my brain wants to watch the trial. :countsheep::great:

I didn't see the witness, and I rewound the feed on both the telegraph site & the WAT site, so I'm wondering if it was a local newsfeed that broke the court order.

I hope the Judge doesn't kick all the media out because of this.
 
Did anyone see the witness??
I didn't but then again I'm mostly watching with my eyes closed, its the middle of the night, my eyes are trying to sleep while my brain wants to watch the trial. :countsheep::great:
Have no idea whats going on but just saw that she wasn't shown on telly.

Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman · 4m
Thanks. RT @JamesT1214 I'm watching and she was not shown on tv

I hope she holds steadfast with this, surely she should have known her identity would be revealed and every attempt made to dig into her back ground/family/friends. Hopefully this wont deter her!
 
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