Trial - Ross Harris #7

[Hope4More]

I have experience with CDAs as well and, TV exposure aside, this is not a good deal at all. It is why so many attorneys make plea deals. They can't afford to defend their indigent clients.

Kilgore's TV exposure in this case, for many months, was the depiction of a man trying to help an obviously guilty baby killer walk free.

 

[minor4th]

I have experience with CDAs as well and, TV exposure aside, this is not a good deal at all. It is why so many attorneys make plea deals. They can't afford to defend their indigent clients.

Amen!

Don't get me started .... I could go on forever about failures in the justice system.

 

[Bently]

I don't understand why you think that is such a silly argument by the State.

Ross's compulsions and dirty secrets paint a picture of a very self indulgent, selfish, impulsive, immature narcissistic type of individual. Why would they ignore that type of behavior when trying to figure out if he had the compulsion to get rid of his kid?

That is perhaps exactly why the defense wanted the *advertiser censored* etc. charges severed from the death of Cooper - because many people will not differentiate the two, that they will assume they must be related vs. logically *are* they related and cannot fathom how other people can see that they are two very different things.

Of the 12 people on the jury I think that one of them perhaps has an association with somebody who has a sexual addiction and could vote Yes for the charges for the child pronography excetera but will not attach that to the murder charges deliberations.

:moo:

 

[Beccalynne]

speaking from much experience trying to chase down money for the 2 ambulance chasers I worked for 22 years LOL this is a good deal, at least you know your getting paid and the TV exposure is a plus as well

Yeah the fact that the money is guaranteed is nice, sure, but the hourly rate is crap.

I am SO thankful my boss rarely accepts payment plans. I hate trying to chase people down to pay.

 

[pocketaccent]

I'm beginning to think that the only defense testimony that rang true was from Leanna when she ended with:

He destroyed my life. I’m humiliated. I may never trust anybody again, the way that I did. If I never see him again after this day, that’s fine.”

Too bad she didn't start her testimony with that line of thinking, it's a shame every other friend/family member didn't have the guts to say it themselves.

Leanna said that with much anger only minutes after Boring revealed that RH was skyping with other women, seeking men and women on Craigslist, sending videos via email while RH was supposedly been watching porns. She didn't know any of these before she took the stand.

She (and Kilgore) probably planned to end her testimony with something in the lines of - I'm here to tell you Ross was a great dad to our son Cooper. I have no reason to lie about that as I have moved on with my life.

But she once again was humiliated. She was pissed and livid. So her her last statement came out as an expression of her resentment towards RH and how wounded she still is. It sounded soap opera. I'm not sure if that statement amplified with such anger and resentment was good or bad to RH's defense. Probably not good. She was suppose to reiterate what a great dad RH was and she didn't.

 

[minor4th]

Yeah the fact that the money is guaranteed is nice, sure, but the hourly rate is crap.

I am SO thankful my boss rarely accepts payment plans. I hate trying to chase people down to pay.

OT - payment plans do not work. We don't work unless there's money in the retainer account to cover it.

 

[Maisiebelle]

Is court over for today?

 

[JerseyGirl]

Maddox Kilgore: Harris’s lead defense attorney also once worked as a prosecutor in the Cobb district attorney’s office. Early in his career, Kilgore worked in the criminal division of the state attorney general’s office, representing the state in criminal appeals. “I got to go to state prisons all over the state, up in the mountains, down in the swamps. If someone was trying to get out of jail on a technicality, I had to keep him in,” he said during a recent talk at Kennesaw State University. He then prosecuted felony cases in the Cobb DA’s office for six years before moving over to the defense bar in 2005. In his KSU talk, Kilgore described his defense work as an honor and “incredibly rewarding.”

http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local/key-players-in-the-upcoming-harris-trial/nq2RG/

 

[DeDee]

LMAO well the Det who did the "sting" shredded his picture, the mic that worked prior had "problems an stopped working" the on probation prostitute who accepted $ from undercover cop in a pot smoke filled room... copied the number exactly from said prostitutes tablet... oh what the heck if he got the number wrong... you know it happened just like they said and nothing wrong here.. move along no photos here:shame:

The escort did not retain the money from the sting as she she did return the officer's cash payment. Gladly, I assume, considering the circumstances of the smoke filled room, probation violations, et al.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Leanna said that with much anger only minutes after Boring revealed that RH was skyping with other women, seeking men and women on Craigslist, sending videos via email while RH was supposedly been watching porns. She didn't know any of these before she took the stand.

She (and Kilgore) probably planned to end her testimony with something in the lines of - I'm here to tell you Ross was a great dad to our son Cooper. I have no reason to lie about that as I have moved on with my life.

But she once again was humiliated. She was pissed and livid. So her her last statement came out as an expression of her resentment towards RH and how wounded she still is. It sounded soap opera. I'm not sure if that statement amplified with such anger and resentment was good or bad to RH's defense. Probably not good. She was suppose to reiterate what a great dad RH was and she didn't.

I thought she said she was following the case? oops.

 

[dizzychick]

Here's what I would want to see as a jury in order to be firmly convinced of pre-meditated murder in this case:

1. Some actual research and interest in getting rid of a child and making it look like an accident

2. Strong evidence of a motive to leave his family - like a serious real relationship with a child-less woman who has made it clear she won't commit to Ross because he has a kid

3. Planning for the day of the event and an obvious attempt to hide his actions. e.g. parking in a very remote location where Cooper could not be saved, somewhere completely illogical; not going to a movie that day; not tossing light bulbs in the car at lunch - but actually getting in the car for some amount of time to check on Cooper. Secretly docking away thousands of dollars to start a new life with a specific and compelling love interest. Evidence that he specifically deleted and tried to hide incriminating evidence on his phone.

4. Distancing himself from Cooper leading up to the event.

5. Some kind of planning for after the event, including not talking to the police so much; definitely not yelling F you at police. Not sexting minors that police will obviously discover on his confiscated phone.

6. Literally showing no reaction or emotion.

7. A history of expressed discontent with his child and being a father.

8. Some kind of really suspicious behavior that is so obviously bizarre and unreasonable. (Like making concrete anchors in the garage and going fishing on Christmas Eve).

Those things together might be the kind of circumstantial case that paint a clear picture of a father who doesn't want his son and has planned his murder.

The evidence that has been presented doesn't come close. All we have is a string of unrelated tidbits that at most raise suspicion. Enough to lead a person that believe it's possible Ross planned this and murdered his child. But the evidence doesn't come close to excluding all other reasonable inferences and interpretations of the evidence.

but you think like a lawyer and btw, this is exactly what FLoyd the guy I worked for would say and we would be going round and round about this LOL Chances are these jurors (no offense please but I learned this term in law class) a bunch of ole blue hairs that im sure cringed at the thought of sexting and then when the glory hole was mentioned, thats it, case over. If in fact this does happen perhaps he will get his appeal and walk sooner than we thought. Im just saying what a jury thinks and what a trained attorney think are two different things. ( One reason why I do not believe in the jury system).

I actually think there is a great comparsion to N.8 as stated Scott Peterson, just a little differnt way of going about it.. all JMO ofcourse

 

[RainCheck]

Just curious, if Ross had told all his buddies that he was cheating on his wife, and sexting teens, would it make anyone feel like he was a better person? Would it still not be a 'double life'?

The idea that you cannot truly *know* a person unless you know every secret about them, means that not one of my friends or family members knows me or can vouch for the type of person I am. I find that pretty silly.

I think my husband is a pretty great guy. However, if I find out he likes to murder prostitutes in his spare time I'm going to change my opinion of him and declare I never really knew him. On the other hand, if I find out he likes to play with paper dolls when no one is looking, I'm going to continue thinking he's a pretty good guy. You know what I mean?

I think if you think somebody is a loving husband and father and then you find out he likes to have sex with underage girls and get glory hole action, you'd probably think you never really knew them because the person you thought you knew would never do such horrible things. You'd probably wonder what else they were capable of and the answer would be anything since you don't really know them at all.

 

[Beccalynne]

Not sure about all court appointed attorneys' earnings but Kilgore, to the best of my recollection, more or less, volunteered to take this case for JRH at the very beginning. Mimi was kind enough to post Kilgore's website info. Kilgore comes to this trial as being a fairly well known and well accomplished GA lawyer. GA Peach can correct me if that is not the case.

This is exactly the type case that falls in line with Kilgore's expertise. I think that is why Kilgore volunteered to defend JRH. Then, there is that omnipresent beneficial sidemark of receiving nat'l attention, giving interviews after it's over and write a best selling book when the trial ends.

Also re: national attention, Kilgore has consistently tried to keep the media out of this case and does not seem to be relishing the attention at all. Has he spoken at all with the media, ever regarding this case? I think MAYBE a press conference or two right around the time of the probable cause hearing, but he certainly hasn't seemed like he was doing this for the attention.

 

[minor4th]

At first I was not convinced that Ross actually visited the prostitute because of the transposed number and shaky memory of a prostitute.

But the defense has thereafter conceded that he did visit a prostitute, at least on that one occasion.

 

[gitana1]

What if he loses?

Doesn't much matter.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

When did RH go to a "glory hole"? I've noticed that term showed up here a few pages back, and now keeps getting repeated.

IIRC, a woman on the stand mentioned that he told her had met a man for sexual purposes while on a vacation. But I haven't heard anything about him going to a glory hole.

 

[monkeypants]

Yet LH still after all that he did to her, maintains that it was an accident the reason her only child is dead. To me that gives weight.

Maybe she is afraid that if she implicates him, she implicates herself. She is well aware she was a suspect and that her behavior was bizarre to say the least. Supporting this theory keeps her neck off the chopping block imo

 

[dizzychick]

Also re: national attention, Kilgore has consistently tried to keep the media out of this case and does not seem to be relishing the attention at all. Has he spoken at all with the media, ever regarding this case? I think MAYBE a press conference or two right around the time of the probable cause hearing, but he certainly hasn't seemed like he was doing this for the attention.

all good things come to those who wait.. really I don't know the guy but if he is like the 40 or so Dallas lawyers I knew in the 80-90's they are mostly cut from the same cloth. This guy may truly have that fire and passion to protect and represent the innocent against the evil powers that be, I dunno but everyone loves to have their ego massaged ...

 

[just the facts pls]

Yeah, about that glory hole.

I was stunned when Mr. Boring came out with that in court today.

I'm still not sure what to say about it.

I'm thinking I don't have to say anything, though. It speaks for itself.

 

[RainCheck]

When did RH go to a "glory hole"? I've noticed that term showed up here a few pages back, and now keeps getting repeated.

IIRC, a woman on the stand mentioned that he told her had met a man for sexual purposes while on a vacation. But I haven't heard anything about him going to a glory hole.

For me personally, I'm wasnt talking about RH just using it as an example of behaviors.