Trial w/o the A's testimony

[RubyB]

I'm soooo glad that this thread was pulled out of mothballs! It had been derailed back in April with a misplaced post. So TY all for revisiting and contributing!

I'm still hoping, and almost willing to bet, that this will get plead out to LWOP. So no one will end up testifying. Any decent, well qualified death penalty attorney that JB finally gets to come on board is going to take one look at this mess and want to plead out rather than risk KC's life at trial. I think that's why JB seems to be floundering for a DP attorney. Most are pretty high powered and aren't going to go along with whatever wacko demands JB & KC are making. Or the court will flat out appoint someone, since JB still has his thumb up his you know what, and isn't on the ball getting someone. Not worth any attorney's reputation to sink to JB's level, even if it means some kind of big bucks down the road. I don't think we may ever get the whole story, but JB, CA & GA, as well as Kidfinders, et al, will profit in some manner, even if it's mostly media appearances ad nauseum talking about what a rough deal poor innocent KC got because of the big, bad SA & LE. JMO

I too, have been thinking that this won't be going to trial. It's just so risky and I don't think that the defense has a single thing in their bag of tricks to help KC out with. Where will they find a DP qualified attny willing to prop up this house of cards?

Also, as Turbothink has said and ITA, JB is scared of the A's. They're loose cannons and who knows what direction they'll go off in? There is no doubt in my mind that it's JB who is preventing the A's visits to KC in jail. He can't trust any of em when they get together, running their mouths.

BTW, I don't know if anyone else visits the Astro's forum to see what they're saying (I do and I think they are awesome!). They are also inclined to agree about a plea deal before a trial. They see a tragedy of some sort, followed by a plea deal.

 

[akashana]

they will use the grief sticken grandparents---but am curious as to how they will control themselves when they have to watch the video testimonies they have given that they object to so much....that & how ga will handle the term "remains" in court....that did me in during his tesitmony....remains to me is a lot nicer than "dead", "deceased", "MURDERED" or any other term....

I dont believe the judge will allow the As to put on a show in his courtroom. The depos were a fiasco, but court testimony will be under a much tighter rein or he will be free to impose sanctions for unruly behavior. I don't think even Cindy is willing to sit tight in a cell where she surely can't continue to stir the proverbial pot.

 

[akashana]

There is great irony in the fact that the more the As twist in the wind with the truth, and the more the story morphs in another shape-shifting direction, the deeper they are digging KC's literal grave. They haven't grasped that if KC were innocent of murder, there would be no need to change their stories, withhold evidence and point fingers. But their actions belie their knowledge of KC's complicity, whch is in itself utterly damning.

IMO the trial will place them in the direct lne of either perjury or OJ charges, and they should pray she takes a pleas before she takes the entire family with her to prison.

 

[NocturnalLady]

The state has to call Cindy to testify to the 911 calls, washing the pants, the letter from the tow yard, the last time she saw Caylee alive, the fact that she never spoke to Caylee during the 31 days and possibly the stealing from Grandma Shirley (if that comes into this trial).

They have to call George to testify to picking up the car, the letter from the tow yard, the last time he saw Caylee alive, the fact that he never spoke to her during the 31 days, and probably the report about the missing gas cans and his run in with Casey when she gave the cans back to him.

They will have to ask both of them about the smell in the car - even though they will both deny their early statements.

I think the state will try to make their testimony as limited as possible and try to keep it focused on facts that can be verified by another party - the tow yard guy, the 911 tapes, cell phone records etc. If they start asking the A's about more complicated stuff that is mainly proven by the kind of convoluted, circumstantial evidence we put together here it will probably overwhelm the jury and confuse them. It will only give the A's a chance to interject their own theories and suppositions that will only serve to confuse the whole case.

The jury won't like the A's regardless. But as much as I would like to see the state rip apart every lie they have told I think it is best to limit them as much as possible to factual, yes or no answers. If the state lets the A's "take over" or become a focus for the jury's emotions (dislike, suspicion) it will only take away from the focus on Casey's culpability.

 

[panthera]

I really wish they would only use George in the trial, but I can see them calling both parents to the stand. Cindy won't get away with near as much at trial as she did in the depositions. She may try, but I don't think she will get very far. KC must be the one terrified of her parents testifying. If they tell the truth it hurts her and when they lie, they just compound her problems. Would you want to rely on JB to redeem them on cross? Not of your life!

Any bets on how long it will take the SA to declare CA a hostile witness?

I don't think it will take long at all for them both to be declared hostile witnesses. MOO

 

[yolorado]

After witnessing the civil depositions it occurs to me that the SA's would likely rather jam a pencil into their collective ears than call anyone with the last name of Anthony to the stand to help "set the stage".

MO, the prosecution ABSOLUTELY wants the Anthonys on the stand, and the more and the longer, the merrier. Their general approach and attitute alone will hang Casey, and the rope will tighten around her neck with each word the A's speak. These people do not present well, in any way that will help their daughter. They haven't figured it out yet, but every time they appear and speak, they strengthen the case against Casey. They say something or do something or act in such a way that displays the tree from which came the fruit.

 

[faefrost]

I'm almost 100% positive that the civil case depos can't be used for the criminal trial. Just like the Larry King interviews etc... I just don't see it.

Could you imagine the huge mess in the courtroom if Cindy was examined by the state and the prosecutor says... "But Cindy, you said on the Today show... blah blah blah."

Songline... I understand your passions.. It's so easy to be irate, and want to see George and Cindy sent up the river... but does anyone really really know? We're they complicit to the actual act of Caylee's murder... or was it all ex post facto?

I'm going with the latter.

I'm sure if the state wants to persue Obstruction of Justice, they will.

e-hugs

Any public statements, and most certainly the sworn civil depositions can be used at trial, but only if the A's are put on the stand. They cannot be brought in to stand as evidence in and of themselves. But the SA (or the defense if he is certifiably insane) can bring them in to counter or rebut anything the witness says on the stand. Normally this would only be an issue if the outside statements differed from what is said on teh stand. But in this case there is so many conflicting and misleading public and sworn statements that getting the statements in front of the jury is pretty much a slam dunk.

 

[DAWN TREADER]

Justice for Caylee is about telling the truth - not hiding it.

 

[songline]

How do you stop them from making money on Caylee's name that would punish them ...heck they are already being punished everyday these ordeal has affected them more than KC she could care less and has seem to adapt very well to prison life ...they may deny it but they walk in a living hell everyday..

That is what I too was thinking for a long time. and supported them despite how unlikable they insist on being.
But it is hard to keep on accepting the things that do show up.
They need to stay home and shut up.
they need to represent some side of justice for caylee
they need to let Casey know on some level that they will do whatever they can to help her short of braking the law.

I am furious, :furious: no body is representing Caylee.
Cindy said Casey was grieving that one night that she partied and Caylee was supposed to just be missing not dead.
Well I understand freezing and not being able to cry, but party????? and grieving does not fit.
AlsoL Somebody is picking up the tab for this and why...?????
THE "A" seem to be on the wrong side of the law.
Caylee ----sweet baby is forgotten

They want a foundation in the baby's name??? A baby they dont represent, dont look justice for?????
THEY wont stand up in her behalf at trial. But want to benifit from a fondation in her name uke:
WHAT kind of creeps do something like that???????"All things come in good time" Foundation can waite.
Right now be there with a case about her demise.
But No......They are adding fuel to Caseys case. YES they are putting fuel into Casey's case.
They should be protecting her in some way. This direction LE daddy took is not good.
now:
MAKING SURE she has the best representation she can get.
AND IT IS NOT JB.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Songline, what do you think the A's can do about JB?

Also--OT--are you a singer or something? Talkin bout your name---> songline.

 

[songline]

I really wish they would only use George in the trial, but I can see them calling both parents to the stand. Cindy won't get away with near as much at trial as she did in the depositions. She may try, but I don't think she will get very far. KC must be the one terrified of her parents testifying. If they tell the truth it hurts her and when they lie, they just compound her problems. Would you want to rely on JB to redeem them on cross? Not of your life!

Any bets on how long it will take the SA to declare CA a hostile witness?

I am starting to wonder if Cindy Job in the "Family Affair" is to be loud and boisterous and distract them all. She does it very well. SHE IS AFRAID very afraid, all that noise is her being terrified. But GA
Casey has something on her parents - I still want to know what Cindy meant when she asked Casey in her first jail visit "You did not tell them"
Watch George
THEY have been hostile witnesses before they made that 911 call... they never intended to help find Caylee.

THEY INTENDED TO HINDER THE PROSECUTION
I wish they would be declared Hostile witnesses now....
But for now they are still interested in questioning them.
And who knows maybe the "A"s intentionally want to be hostile witnesses and they do not have to
be questioned in trial. ????? So far GA who "knows a lot" has advised his family how to be. So far he is leading them into a furnace. or taking a huge risk....

 

[faefrost]

Songline, what do you think the A's can do about JB?

Also--OT--are you a singer or something? Talkin bout your name---> songline.

It's pretty clear from some of the early interviews with GA, that he realizes there is NOTHING he can do about JB. It is apparent that at least at that time GA had very little liking or trust for JB. It was the interview where he tells LE that KC lied to JB about paying him.

 

[songline]

Songline, what do you think the A's can do about JB?

Also--OT--are you a singer or something? Talkin bout your name---> songline.

They make so much noise and scream to the moon.
If Casey was my child NOT (thank you Lord) I would be screaming that he is not prepared not going in the right direction, not ready...Whatever I'd be screaming about that not some Foundation that is 1/2 baked.

My Name no I am not a singer :floorlaugh: if you heard my voice you'd know why I laugh. I am a Real Estate Broker and that is my LAST and 3rd or 4th Career.But I sound like Fran Drasher (the nanny) and boy do I wish I could sing.

 

[songline]

It's pretty clear from some of the early interviews with GA, that he realizes there is NOTHING he can do about JB. It is apparent that at least at that time GA had very little liking or trust for JB. It was the interview where he tells LE that KC lied to JB about paying him.

Respectfully I will say I do not believe any of this none of it.
IMO that interviow was a prop.

 

[shgrbkr]

If the SA calls any of the A family to testify, they can limit their line of questioning to specific things, which in turn limits the defense to the same things on cross exam. I imagine the prosecution will be very clear, concise, and clever. Also, neither CA nor GA nor LA will have the benefit of their own personal atty to sit beside them and coach them or guard them from the mean ol' SA.

IF JB calls them to testify FOR KC, the same limits apply in return, but this is where it would get sticky for the A's. JB would probably let them ramble on and spin their web of lies on the stand, but the SA office would tear them apart on cross....at least I hope so.

 

[SoSueMe]

Songline, what do you think the A's can do about JB?

Also--OT--are you a singer or something? Talkin bout your name---> songline.

I'm not Songline and I can't sing either, but I just wanted to comment. I think KC is the only one who can do anything about JB other than perhaps the State Bar. And as we all know, JB is keeping his client pretty isolated.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

GA and CA will have to testify as they are key witnesses in the case as others have so wisely pointed out.

The SA's are wise not to charge them with anything before the trial and can hold OJ and perjury charges under their feel like hot matches.

George, without Cindy, tends to tell the truth. In his deposition with M&M, he stated that the smell in the care was decomposition. (The only time he says otherwise is when Cindy is present.) Note he told LE and the FBI it was decomposition. He will also say it on the stand.

Everything they have said, both in the media and in depositions can be used in the criminal trial. I am sure LE has a complete list of video and written material and an even longer list of lies they have told.

I can't find the article right now, but sometime after Casey's indictment for murder, there was a statement that CA and GA would be on the stand to help convict their daughter whether they liked it or not.

I'm off to hunt up the link...

Here it is! December 29, 2008

As one investigator put it, "They're going to be asked to help convict her."

If the Anthonys are not candid and truthful, sources said, it may come to obstruction of justice charges against one or more of them.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html

 

[nursebeeme]

I think they will call them but they won't get to rant on and on like they continue to do. They will get yes and no questions and they will be called AFTER prosecution plays the 911 call and plays the police interviews that were taped. This is just my opinion...

For example, they will ask CA if she said the car smelled like a dead body in the 911 call. If she goes on and on they will cut her off. The yes is all they need.

moo

(aside** the A's have shot their own selves in the foot with their continued media diarrhea.... in terms of deciding that justice for Caylee is not as important as defending their daughter to the end)

 

[songline]

GA and CA will have to testify as they are key witnesses in the case as others have so wisely pointed out.

The SA's are wise not to charge them with anything before the trial and can hold OJ and perjury charges under their feel like hot matches.

George, without Cindy, tends to tell the truth. In his deposition with M&M, he stated that the smell in the care was decomposition. (The only time he says otherwise is when Cindy is present.) Note he told LE and the FBI it was decomposition. He will also say it on the stand.

Everything they have said, both in the media and in depositions can be used in the criminal trial. I am sure LE has a complete list of video and written material and an even longer list of lies they have told.

I can't find the article right now, but sometime after Casey's indictment for murder, there was a statement that CA and GA would be on the stand to help convict their daughter whether they liked it or not.

I'm off to hunt up the link...

Here it is! December 29, 2008

As one investigator put it, "They're going to be asked to help convict her."

If the Anthonys are not candid and truthful, sources said, it may come to obstruction of justice charges against one or more of them.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html

JUST because they are asked to help convict her, just because they are on the stand does not add up to a slam dunk.
IMHO they did the clean up, if they say one sylibal, Casey will throw them under the bus.
right now they have NO fingerprints or other direct tie to anyone. LE DADDY knew what he was doing. So what if he said it was a decomp smell. SO WHAT? That does not tie KC to the deed directly. NO....
There will hopefully be a charge against them, but it is better not to charge them yet.
They will not be honorable at court, that word is not in their vocabulary. I hope they slip and fall.
I believe that when GA used to call the 2 CMA's his daughters early on....He told us the secret they are hiding from.
I do not believe that GA had a gambling problem...NO way do I buy that one.
I believe that his associations have more to do with that lost deal and there in is also a piece of information that we do not know.

 

[NocturnalLady]

I think they will call them but they won't get to rant on and on like they continue to do. They will get yes and no questions and they will be called AFTER prosecution plays the 911 call and plays the police interviews that were taped. This is just my opinion...

For example, they will ask CA if she said the car smelled like a dead body in the 911 call. If she goes on and on they will cut her off. The yes is all they need.

moo

(aside** the A's have shot their own selves in the foot with their continued media diarrhea.... in terms of deciding that justice for Caylee is not as important as defending their daughter to the end)

I think CA will have a very hard time confining herself to short answers. The prosecutor will have to cut her off. At some point Cindy won't be able to contain herself and will keep right on talking despite being cut off.

My question is - can the judge hold her in contempt if she just won't shut up? What happens? Will she be escorted off the stand and to jail? Will the judge order a recess? Will she be fined? Has anyone ever seen a witness in any other trial who doesn't really answer the questions and won't shut up?