TRIAL Week One - Ross Harris 3 October 2016

[jamiect]

Correction
Cathy ‏@courtchatter 1m1 minute ago
#RossHarris - Court will be in session until 5 or 6pm today. NO COURT Thursday or Friday.Judge DID just say they'll be back Mon.

 

[Hope4More]

Just curious. Why do Ross's obligations to remember Cooper cease at intersection?

Obviously his moral obligation to remember his son didn't end at a stop sign. It's a question of law whether or not forgetting Cooper at the intersection amounts to a legally defined standard of criminal negligence (not referring to charges involving intent).

 

[byo]

Cathy ‏@courtchatter 2m2 minutes ago

#RossHarris - Court will be in session until 5 or 6pm today. NO COURT Thursday or Friday.Judge DID just say they'll be back Mon #ColumbusDay

 

[Hope4More]

So, according to channel 11 news on May 2, 2016...Ross attorney said, he did not search for a hot car death.

According to Daily Mail, on June 25/26, 2016, on Ross Home Depot office computer, a search was done on how long it would take an animal to die in a hot car.

Teo different things....searching for a hot car death vs an animal death in a hot car....the defense does not want the jury to figure out the size and weight of both could have the same result in a hot car.

IMO...could Ross been using the size of an animal compared to his son as a way to get his answers. The GJ saw something that helped them in their decision to charge Ross.

Have to wait and see what is released to jury and hw it is presented.

The defense in opening said no such search was conducted, that Harris clicked on a link to a trending video from a page he was already on.

 

[katydid23]

Serious question. Harris wasn't on his phone in those 5 or so minutes between Chick breakfast and work, and there is no indication he was driving recklessly in any way during that trip. So....no physical display of wanton or reckless disregard for Cooper or his safety or his well being.

Let's say Harris "forgot" Cooper was in the car by the time he reached the intersection. Forgot, as in- went straight rather than turning because he didn't remember at that moment Cooper was still in the car.

Does it matter WHY Harris didn't remember/forgot? If he forgot because something else was on his mind, does it matter what he was thinking about? And if so, why?

I think it does matter why he 'forgot.'

Let's say he was home alone with Cooper and they had a swimming pool. If he 'forgot' to keep an eye on him, and the baby ended up dead in the pool, then he could be arrested for the death, if certain things happened. If he had been drinking, or playing a video game, then it is possibly charged as a crime. But if it was not 'neglectful'---just a tragic accidental series of events, then it is not.

He was supposed to be 'taking care of' his toddler during those few minutes before work. The child was totally dependent and reliant upon his father during that time. 'Forgetting' that his young child was even there is very neglectful behavior. No matter what the reason is. But if someone forgets their child because they just returned from a double late shift at work, or they had chemo that morning, people tend to cut them some slack. There were circumstances beyond their control that interfered with their ability to care for their child adequately.

But if they only had to 'remember' to drop their child off for 3 minutes, and had nothing else pressing to do, but they were distracted by sexting random strangers and making cruise reservations, then they failed their child miserably. :cry:

 

[GA_Peach]

Obviously his moral obligation to remember his son didn't end at a stop sign. It's a question of law whether or not forgetting Cooper at the intersection amounts to a legally defined standard of criminal negligence (not referring to charges involving intent).

Thank you. I would argue that Ross's legal obligation didn't end at the light either. Ross's moral and legal obligations to Cooper did not end until the time of Cooper's death IMO.

 

[Hope4More]

Can you elaborate, please? tia

Refer to the defense's opening statement, including his refutations that Harris wasn't emotional while in custody and that when he met with Leanne he only talked about himself (backed up with video), then misrepresentations about searches, including child free and pets in hot cars, toss in Stoddard's testimony that Harris went far enough into his car at lunch to make it impossible he didn't see Cooper, etc....

 

[Hope4More]

I think it does matter why he 'forgot.'

Let's say he was home alone with Cooper and they had a swimming pool. If he 'forgot' to keep an eye on him, and the baby ended up dead in the pool, then he could be arrested for the death, if certain things happened. If he had been drinking, or playing a video game, then it is possibly charged as a crime. But if it was not 'neglectful'---just a tragic accidental series of events, then it is not.

He was supposed to be 'taking care of' his toddler during those few minutes before work. The child was totally dependent and reliant upon his father during that time. 'Forgetting' that his young child was even there is very neglectful behavior. No matter what the reason is. But if someone forgets their child because they just returned from a double late shift at work, or they had chemo that morning, people tend to cut them some slack. There were circumstances beyond their control that interfered with their ability to care for their child adequately.

But if they only had to 'remember' to drop their child off for 3 minutes, and had nothing else pressing to do, but they were distracted by sexting random strangers and making cruise reservations, then they failed their child miserably. :cry:

I agree with all of that, and IMO, all of that is a matter of common sense most people can easily agree upon.

But, the law isn't about common sense. The State needs to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Harris's action or inaction at that intersection (referring now to the lesser charge of child cruelty) rises to a precisely defined standard of criminal neglect.

 

[jamiect]

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 38s39 seconds ago
Witness 5 Artiyka Eastland, was at Cincos with a friend for a casual patio meal. She saw #RossHarris come to a screeching halt in the lot.

Duffie Dixon 11AliveVerified account ‏@DuffieDixon 1m1 minute ago
Artika Eastland, witness at Akers Mill shopping center, now testifying. Says #RossHarris "was frantic. Yelled 'what have I done"

Philip A. HollowayVerified account ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 31s32 seconds ago
Witness says #RossHarris "screeched in" and got Cooper out quickly on day of #HotCarDeath - says Harris "walked off" - seemed nervous

 

[byo]

Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 2m2 minutes ago Marietta, GA
ADA Boring calls eyewitness in #RossHarris #HotCarDeath trial who says area Harris stopped was crowded & busy-implication that it was staged

Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 23s24 seconds ago
Witness says #RossHarris "screeched in" and got Cooper out quickly on day of #HotCarDeath - says Harris "walked off" - seemed nervous

 

[Magdalyn]

So, according to channel 11 news on May 2, 2016...Ross attorney said, he did not search for a hot car death.

According to Daily Mail, on June 25/26, 2016, on Ross Home Depot office computer, a search was done on how long it would take an animal to die in a hot car.

Teo different things....searching for a hot car death vs an animal death in a hot car....the defense does not want the jury to figure out the size and weight of both could have the same result in a hot car.

IMO...could Ross been using the size of an animal compared to his son as a way to get his answers. The GJ saw something that helped them in their decision to charge Ross.

Have to wait and see what is released to jury and hw it is presented.

RBBM: Yeah, not sure a juror would see that as two different things. If Cooper had died by "accidentally" ingesting rat poison, and LE found searches on the computer researching how long it takes an animal to die by rat poison...I wouldn't need to know whether he looked up a similar weight animal to the child. I'd think it sure looked like research was done on how to kill the child.

 

[jamiect]

Cathy ‏@courtchatter 21s22 seconds ago
#RossHarris - Witness on the scene says #CooperHarris was grey/blue -ish and sweaty.

Ross Harris Trial ‏@HarrisTrialFOX5 1m1 minute ago
Eastland says Harris did not seem sincere. Se says he went from being frantic to being very calm.

Philip A. HollowayVerified account ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 51s51 seconds ago Marietta, GA
Eye / ear witness says #RossHarris wasn't sincere in her opinion on day of #HotCarDeath - expect strong cross on that point

 

[DexterMorgan]

Why is Nancy Grace gunning for Ross specifically on Good Morning America this morning.

But dozens of other hot car cases happened that same year?

 

[DexterMorgan]

Cathy ‏@courtchatter 21s22 seconds ago
#RossHarris - Witness on the scene says #CooperHarris was grey/blue -ish and sweaty.

Dead bodies don't sweat. So he probably had passed within that hour.

Idk

 

[byo]

Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 28s29 seconds ago Marietta, GA
Eye / ear witness says #RossHarris wasn't sincere in her opinion on day of #HotCarDeath - expect strong cross on that point

 

[DexterMorgan]

Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 28s29 seconds ago Marietta, GA
Eye / ear witness says #RossHarris wasn't sincere in her opinion on day of #HotCarDeath - expect strong cross on that point

Some folks sincerity looks different than other folks.

Just saying.

 

[Hope4More]

She's kind of a lousy witness...a lot of forgetting.

 

[jamiect]

Philip A. HollowayVerified account ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 40s40 seconds ago Marietta, GA
Kilgore cross examines civilian witness in #RossHarris #HotCarDeath trial on prior inconsistent statements, lack of memory

 

[popsicle]

Dead bodies don't sweat. So he probably had passed within that hour.

Idk

He had been dead for awhile so perhaps Ross splashed water on him when he left work.

 

[Magdalyn]

Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 2m2 minutes ago Marietta, GA
ADA Boring calls eyewitness in #RossHarris #HotCarDeath trial who says area Harris stopped was crowded & busy-implication that it was staged

Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 23s24 seconds ago
Witness says #RossHarris "screeched in" and got Cooper out quickly on day of #HotCarDeath - says Harris "walked off" - seemed nervous

Odd that RH can suddenly 'see' him while he's driving at 4 in the afternoon, but can't 'see' him when he's backing his car into a spot in the morning, getting out of his car, throwing in lightbulbs at lunch, and then getting in his car as he leaves work. :thinking: