GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #3

[EncyclopediaBrown]

Oh, I see this one coming....

Ammer is really Steven Sierra who Sarai meets in Amsterdam to deliver "the goods" and flies back with "the goods" to the US to reappear in his disguise as reliable bus driver.

:floorlaugh:

silly!

 

[alpmighty]

something about school? divorce papers?! :what: jk

Both don't make sense. You wouldn't send divorce papers to somebody on holiday. The school wouldn't have correspondence with you abroad.

 

[EncyclopediaBrown]

i still am stumped if this was intentional or accident..surely the forensics would have some clue to whether it was multiple hits over the head or just one she's out...bah, i'm losing my mind. i want justice!!

 

[Herat]

Guys, quick question do we know for certain how SS traveled FROM Amsterdam to Munich > Munich back to Istanbul? It would be impossible for me to search the answer here!

We don't but LE does.

When I go to look for cheap flights, Istanbul to Amersterdam, return, the best are all direct flights on Turkish Air for about $250.

I don't even find a flight that goes through Munich.

 

[Yellow]

There's something else that strikes me as odd. If the woman did have sex with Takar and she was cheating on hubby, why would the husband and brother immediately fly over there to help find her?

I mean, this indicates to me that he didn't think she ran off with her lover but that he knew immediately that it was very serious. And both of them went, not just one.

So odd.

No matter what went on sexually, I suppose her family knew her well enough that she would not leave her poor father waiting at the plane. Even a woman running off on a man would not do that. And leave her kids...

Plus the man she would have run off w didn't have her so where would she have been?

What were they going to do? It seems Taylan stalled them, telling them to call US authorities. It does not seem much happened w respect to Tirkey police looking for her UNTIL they arrived in Turkey...

Husband probably felt it was his duty to go. Plus, maybe brother went bc if it was a situation of her leaving husband, the brother could defuse the tension, ie she would meet w brother not husband

I am sure they Prayed for it to be a case of her just running off.,, that was the only scenario that had her alive,.

 

[EncyclopediaBrown]

Both don't make sense. You wouldn't send divorce papers to somebody on holiday. The school wouldn't have correspondence with you abroad.

it's possible she maybe had to sign something for a loan or something related to school. and maybe divorce papers b-c it surely would send her back running if she knew her marriage was over. (okay that's a longshot):banghead:

 

[Yellow]

We don't but LE does.

When I go to look for cheap flights, Istanbul to Amersterdam, return, the best are all direct flights on Turkish Air for about $250.

I don't even find a flight that goes through Munich.

I recall someone on here mentioning a flight w 9.5 hour layover in Munich.

 

[citizenofworld]

Kudos. This is a very smart assertion, or whatever they call it.





I am not so sure of this.Because her daughter is also in this. If the car story was true, there is a small percentage that there may be some sort of gang behind this. But maybe the man was trying to take the body away, thinking this would be too risky, he might have placed it back.

Doesn't make sense that the murderer just grabbed her bag, not knowing its contents. Her driver's license was found near the body. She would have likely kept it in her purse. I think they looked in her bag before leaving to get it, because they felt remorse or something, and thought she might not be found for a while (her face was badly damaged), and left it so she could be i.d.ed quickly when found eventually (they tried to hide it, after all).

It might take a while to find her license, so maybe they went through it before they placed her body there. They just put her body there, her extra shoes (more evidence they don't know what to do with), and took everything with value/evidence (phone & iPad) & whatever money or ATM card she had.

If she had a bankruptcy in 2005, when can you apply for a credit card. Maybe she couldn't get one, or decided not because she was a shopaholic, and didn't trust herself. That would explain the husband wiring money (or putting it into her account).

 

[citizenofworld]

I've researched it and learned that if she was carrying the AT&T variant, they always come locked but per request from AT&T customer service, without regard to whether the device was subsidized or not, they just hand you the unlock code.

So the question is now, would she use roaming or would she obtain a Turkish prepaid line?

With a limited budget, one would perhaps be inclined towards to skip using roaming, relying on Skype or preferring a prepaid Turkish line/card.

It all depends on AT&T roaming charges. Are they outrageous as it's the case when I go the States my operator charges me an arm and a leg for roaming?

I think she would use a prepaid card. Roaming charges for data would be very expensive...

 

[EncyclopediaBrown]

We don't but LE does.

When I go to look for cheap flights, Istanbul to Amersterdam, return, the best are all direct flights on Turkish Air for about $250.

I don't even find a flight that goes through Munich.

but that flight stuff changes all the time. and maybe she just thought it would be cool to have a layover and experience yet another city, albeit a short stay. someone a long way back mentioned she had gone to see an exhibit?

 

[Herat]

The school wouldn't have correspondence with you abroad.

The school correspondence would likely have been delivered to her home. Did she change her flight after she received this package?

It's hard to think of any papers that could not have been faxed or e-mailed. An original signature is fairly rare these days unless you need something notarized and that would be a mess in Turkey. I can't even think of anything dealing with the kids where she would need to receive papers.

 

[Herat]

but that flight stuff changes all the time. and maybe she just thought it would be cool to have a layover and experience yet another city, albeit a short stay. someone a long way back mentioned she had gone to see an exhibit?

I think poster Munich did an excellent job of describing how difficult it would have been to get to the exhibit and I believe Munich's conclusion was that it was more likely she just stayed in the airport.

I do recall a non-WS report that part of her journey involved a train. *Mental note about her photographing train tracks* Maybe AMS-Munich? Not likely Munich-Istanbul. *Another mental note about train tracks*

 

[alpmighty]

We don't but LE does.

When I go to look for cheap flights, Istanbul to Amersterdam, return, the best are all direct flights on Turkish Air for about $250.

I don't even find a flight that goes through Munich.

I'd check Pegasus and SunExpress, other carriers operating out of Turkey, known for low cost flights.

 

[Fantazteko]

Greetings…

Following are a few questions that have crossed my mind while reading some of the recent comments.

Why do some speculate this was a disorganized crime?

Do you think this was the perp’s first time commiting murder? Why?

Could the fact that her driver’s license was tossed aside indicate that the perp is an English-speaker who didn’t want anything with her identification on his person? That is if it didn’t fall out of a pocket when her pants were torn off.

Are homeless people or junkies there typically English-speakers? It’s possible whoever did this attempted to engage or lure Sarai as opposed to ambushing her.

I think answers to this question might narrow the pool of possible suspects, though it’s obvious how difficult determining this would be.

I keep trying to imagine Sarai caught in a life-and-death struggle, with threats and insults being hurled at her in a language not her own, but for some reason something in this scenario doesn’t quite match.

I have no idea what kind of difference knowing the killer’s language would make in solving this mystery, but something just keeps bringing me back to this point.

Does the fact that the bodhy was left covered indicate that the killer cared about her and felt remorse?

If you have just killed someone, why go to all the trouble to cover your victim’s body when you can just as easily conceal it in a cave? In a situation like that, I think time would be of the essence.

Could someone who thinks of homelessness as a blight on their community, or who harbors a personal grudge against indigents have orchestrated this whole crime to “clean up” the area? Possibly someone had a good reason to want that area cleaned up.

Sorry, I have more questions than any certain theories or statements at this time. I’d like to know more about what the killer did, the motive &c, but detectives don’t publicize this kine of information with good reason.

Again, anybody may feel free to address them. Excuse me if some of these topics were covered previously.

Thanks!

 

[EncyclopediaBrown]

We don't but LE does.

When I go to look for cheap flights, Istanbul to Amersterdam, return, the best are all direct flights on Turkish Air for about $250.

I don't even find a flight that goes through Munich.

The school correspondence would likely have been delivered to her home. Did she change her flight after she received this package?

It's hard to think of any papers that could not have been faxed or e-mailed. An original signature is fairly rare these days unless you need something notarized and that would be a mess in Turkey. I can't even think of anything dealing with the kids where she would need to receive papers.

yes, the papers went to her house, then were forwarded to her there b-c they needed a signature or something. didn't she send mail too? can't the post office figure out who she sent mail to? it's just another weird detail - this whole mail exchange thing.

 

[english]

I've got it! It's all down to the mail. She never received it so couldn't hand it over to her contacts and they got angry. No need to discuss, it's not a serious theory.

 

[EncyclopediaBrown]

I think poster Munich did an excellent job of describing how difficult it would have been to get to the exhibit and I believe Munich's conclusion was that it was more likely she just stayed in the airport.

I do recall a non-WS report that part of her journey involved a train. *Mental note about her photographing train tracks* Maybe AMS-Munich? Not likely Munich-Istanbul. *Another mental note about train tracks*

but didn't the ammerman go to the airport with her?

 

[alpmighty]

it's possible she maybe had to sign something for a loan or something related to school. and maybe divorce papers b-c it surely would send her back running if she knew her marriage was over. (okay that's a longshot):banghead:

Husband and family would know that though.

 

[KuriousKev]

Guys, quick question do we know for certain how SS traveled FROM Amsterdam to Munich > Munich back to Istanbul? It would be impossible for me to search the answer here!

We don't but LE does.

When I go to look for cheap flights, Istanbul to Amersterdam, return, the best are all direct flights on Turkish Air for about $250.

I don't even find a flight that goes through Munich.

Back in college many many moons ago there was a student who use to travel from NY to FLA by train to pick up a load of happy grass. There are trains from Ams>Mun>Mun>Inst. Chances of getting caught riding the rails are slim compared to flying. Not insinuating, Just saying

 

[Herat]

It seems Taylan stalled them, telling them to call US authorities.

Disagree with this statement.

Family waited until the date of her ORIGINAL flight on Jan 25 came and went without her. Then contacting airlines and maybe multiple additional calls to IG people, got emergency passports on Monday Jan 28, flew out on Jan 29.

Big Big expense and hassle invovled in this. How long do they stay? Where do they stay? How to get around in a completely strange place? Whom do they contact? This is a huge and horrible task for them.

I don't see any gap in the timeline that indicates Taylan deliberately stalled.

I asked this before: WHO REPORTED HER MISSING TO TURKISH AUTHORITIES?

And what about that apt landlord. Not returning to flat for a week. No additional contact or money paid. Her passport in the room, along with luggage. What did he do with this information>