TX - 26 dead, 20 injured in church shooting, Sutherland Springs, 5 Nov 2017 #2

[human]

What were they going to say? "He showed up dressed all in black with a weird stare on his face" isn't going to be taken seriously. CPS is barely a step above useless these days anyway.

There are laws enacted by legislators that CPS has to follow. Contact your legislators to change the laws. Some are probably Constitutinally protected.

 

[human]

Watching the videos, I'm thinking that he was fun and charming in the early stages, but then turned on his girlfriend/wives after the relationship started. Sort of like the story Wife #1 said about the dog - the perp said his dog was play biting him so he wrung the dog's neck and killed him. When he gains the trust of someone - a dog, a girlfriend, a wife - and that person shows some affection to him and is vulnerable to him, he destroys it.

Armchair analysis, jmo.

A social worker told me all abusers are charming at first. She said if you go out with a man who is overwhelmingly generous and attentive, watch out. Calling everyday, flowers, gifts. Be careful.

 

[Bill Carson]

And just like *that* [snaps fingers], less than two weeks after the deadliest mass shooting in the history of Texas, the media is gone and you can't find any new news stories about the shooting or the investigation. Now new information will trickle out, but you'll have to look for it.

 

[CARIIS]

This article talks about the Teves family's No Notoriety campaign, after their son lost his life in the Colorado Theater shooting.

".......Since 2012, the family has launched a campaign to prevent media coverage from playing into the perpetrators’ craving for fame by spreading the shooters’ photographs, focusing on body counts and ranking different shootings against each other.

Over the past few years, the No Notoriety campaign has seen bipartisan progress, with endorsements from law enforcement groups and victims’ families, and some journalists pledging to abide by the principles of trying to use shooters’ names and images sparingly. Law enforcement officials in Sutherland Springs, Texas, last week announced they would follow a similar approach. “If you notice I use ‘shooter’ instead of the suspect’s name, we do not want to glorify him and what he’s done,” Freeman Martin, a spokesman for the Texas department of public safety, said last week.

But many media outlets still resist the “No Notoriety” principles, which Erik Wemple of the Washington Post has called “a public service, not some nefarious ‘glorification’ quest”......
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-enough-is-enough-my-son-would-still-be-alive

I think it depends on the type for lack of better word

Elliot Rodgers. Luka come to mind as far as wanting celebrity. My sense is this guys stuff was more delusional or hearing seeing things.

Impulse rage as opposed to anything thought out moo

 

[Rott Mom]

Let me get this straight...you can't go to church -
you can't go to school
you can't go to a concert
you can't run a marathon
you can't go to a nightclub
Am I missing something?

 

[thepinkdragon]

Let me get this straight...you can't go to church -
you can't go to school
you can't go to a concert
you can't run a marathon
you can't go to a nightclub
Am I missing something?

You can't walk in your own neighborhood after dark....


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[bluesneakers]

Let me get this straight...you can't go to church -
you can't go to school
you can't go to a concert
you can't run a marathon
you can't go to a nightclub
Am I missing something?

Shopping malls.
Gyms.
Movie theatres.
Restaurants.
Airports.

Inside casinos and aboard cruise ships seem to be safe for now.

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

Let me get this straight...you can't go to church -
you can't go to school
you can't go to a concert
you can't run a marathon
you can't go to a nightclub
Am I missing something?

Shopping malls.
Gyms.
Movie theatres.
Restaurants.
Airports.

Inside casinos and aboard cruise ships seem to be safe for now.

Jogging

Get gas

Travel to some localations

Use a babysitter

Use a dog groomer

Put a WWII Vet in a nursing home.

Travel Alone

Wear expensive jewelry

The world has gone to
He [emoji970] [emoji970] in a hand basket!




MOO

 

[CARIIS]

"Mom said his delusions and anti-government rhetoric was getting worse and worse," Orr said.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/18/us/california-shooter-threats-neighbors/index.html

 

[Deleted member 158085]

"Mom said his delusions and anti-government rhetoric was getting worse and worse," Orr said.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/18/us/california-shooter-threats-neighbors/index.html

Wrong thread, I think.

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[CARIIS]

Wrong thread, I think.

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boy ain't that the pitts when there are so many mass shootings I got the wrong one........

 

[Bernina]

[h=1]Oversight Groups Have Repeatedly Identified Flaws In Military Crime Reporting[/h]
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...-identified-flaws-in-military-crime-reporting

The U.S. military has broad, longstanding problems sharing criminal records with the FBI. The Department of Defense is required to share data with the FBI under federal law, but, as the Kelley case lays bare, the fact that it's mandatory doesn't mean it actually happens.

Under federal law, it's illegal for anyone convicted of a crime punishable by more than a year in prison to buy or possess a gun. The same is true for anyone who is convicted of a domestic violence offense or who falls in several other disqualifying categories.

These problems are very old. As The Associated Press has reported, two decades ago, the inspector general found that the Army and Navy failed to submit fingerprints to the FBI in more than 80 percent of cases. In the Navy, the outcome of criminal cases went unreported to the bureau 94 percent of the time.

The Department of Defense and the FBI both tell NPR that they cannot share the total number of military criminal records currently uploaded to the FBI's III database. The FBI says the data is "not readily available." The Department of Defense says there's no centralized record because each military law enforcement agency, of which there are many, handles those reports individually.

Efforts are already underway to strengthen the reporting system. Records submitted to Congress show that the Department of Defense, along with other federal agencies, has already written an "implementation plan" to improve its criminal reporting.
And more recently, a bipartisan group of senators has introduced a bill designed to strengthen the background check process. Among other things, the measure would penalize federal agencies that fail to report records.

What is the point of gun laws when government entities don't follow them...................maybe, just maybe, gun laws would work if they were actually fully implemented and followed to the letter of the law by EVERYONE, NOT just by the law abiding gun owners. The IRS does a better job nailing us for taxes, maybe THEY should be in charge of gun enforcement.........

...........end rant, I am soooooooooo :stormingmad:

 

[SpeckledCactys]

My heart hearts, so sad, prayers to all affected.

Where next?

 

[MsFacetious]

My heart hearts, so sad, prayers to all affected.

Where next?

I don't know but I worry it'll be in the first week of December.
Hopefully they don't start happening monthly....

 

[MsFacetious]

Yup. I pointed that out in my first post about it. But, if you have a really great provider, they will research the kinds of tests available, and often be able to find an affordable one, and /or one who gives breaks based on income. With one company I know of, most people will qualify for 20 or 50 dollars total owed to that company.

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Can you give me more information on this? We are looking at meds for a family member and I'd like to save the trial and error if possible.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Can you give me more information on this? We are looking at meds for a family member and I'd like to save the trial and error if possible.

I will message you details.

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[neesaki]

Family who lost 9 people in Sutherland Springs shooting files federal claim against Air Force
By Kelsey Bradshaw, mySanAntonio.com
Updated 4:38 pm, Tuesday, November 28, 2017

The Air Force failed numerous times to take steps that would have prevented Sutherland Springs shooter Devin Patrick Kelley from purchasing the firearm he used to kill 26 people and wound 20 others, according to a claim filed by the Holcombe family, which lost 9 members in the massacre.
The claim, filed against the U.S. government Tuesday specifically in the death of Bryan Holcombe, could be the first step to an eventual lawsuit if the Air Force denies responsibility.

The family is seeking monetary damages but said they are also hoping to prevent the type of error that allowed Kelley to purchase the tools he needed to carry out the deadliest mass shooting in Texas history.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...-9-members-in-Sutherland-Springs-12388654.php

 

[Jax49]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/boy-shot-texas-church-massacre-finally-leave-hospital/story?id=52256736

[h=1]Boy shot in Texas church massacre will finally leave hospital today[/h]

A little boy who was shot in the Sutherland Springs, Texas, church massacre is set to return home today -- riding through town on a fire truck -- after more than two months in the hospital.

 

[watergirl62]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/boy-shot-texas-church-massacre-finally-leave-hospital/story?id=52256736

[h=1]Boy shot in Texas church massacre will finally leave hospital today[/h]

Firefighter Rusty Duncan:

... rushed inside the church, he went through the aisles and "started checking for people's pulses," Duncan said. "That's where Ryland's hand reached out from under his stepmom and grabbed my pant leg. I rolled her over and grabbed him and started running outside with him."

 

[JerseyGirl]

Church shooting survivor rides home with firefighter who found him

Ryland Ward, 6, rode home in a firetruck, escorted by law enforcement

https://www.today.com/news/6-year-old-church-shooting-victim-gets-texas-homecoming-after-t121132