TX TX - Alan White, 55, seen leaving LA Fitness, found deceased, Dallas, 22 Oct 2020 #4

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ElementalLaura said:
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MOO: This hypothesis works because it fits some of the unique known aspects of Alan’s disappearance: the time of day, Alan’s schedule that morning, and Alan’s last known locations. I continue to speculate that he was targeted as an individual vs. this being a crime of opportunity.

My additional speculation is that the perpetrator(s) (I think one person) held grievances against Alan that intensified over time, which means there was some sort of contact over time, and you get to know the regulars in a gym situation. It has been reported that Alan adhered to a routine that included a daily early morning workout.

IMO, one person can obsess over a relationship with someone and the intensity of that relationship is completely one-sided. I speculate that’s the situation in this case and that Alan may not have had his guard up around this other person and/or thought that if a disagreement had occurred, it was in the past. My opinion only.

Self-harm or a random crime / carjacking can’t be ruled out. Perhaps his family knew of personal struggles that have not been made public. The carjacking theory fit the fact that Alan was driving a luxury vehicle. However, Alan in general lived a publicly affluent lifestyle — luxury vehicle, high value homes, designer bags, likely designer clothing, etc. IMO, this may have added fuel to a grievance, but profit / robbery was not the motive. My opinion only.

I hope the cause and manner of death is released, and, whatever the findings are, I hope his loved ones find peace.
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Agree with your gym speculation 100%
We can only hope that LE has pursued this possibility, and has carefully scrutinized video from the facility.

Allegedly, amateur opinion and speculation only
 
I think there may be some misunderstanding about what information is stored on SIM cards. It’s your phone number and contacts. You can take your SIM card out of one phone and use in in another—your contacts and their numbers will be there. But unless Alan was running around with an old Motorola flip phone, taking the SIM card doesn’t keep anyone from reading Alan’s texts and emails (which are almost certainly stored in the cloud).

I think this is a red herring, based on some musing the VI did about why they (perhaps) weren’t able to locate Alan though pinging his phone.

The fact that the phone was found in the car argues strongly for suicide versus murder, IMO. Surely someone who goes to the trouble of murdering a man and dumping his body would take and destroy the phone too. It’s lots easier to hide and dispose of a phone than a person.
 
Evidently, there is SIM card swap fraud... particularly related to cryptocurrency related to digital wallets (specifically "hot wallets). * I haven't read through this case entirely but it's interesting. I actually found the reference to this fraud being a problem in Loring and Rounds: A Trustee's Handbook (2020 Edition) page 1324.

"Mr. Terpin alleges that "SIM swapping consists of tricking a provider . . . into transferring the target's phone number to a SIM card controlled by the criminal. Once they get the phone number, fraudsters can leverage it to reset the victims' passwords and break into their online accounts.""

Terpin v. AT&T Mobility, LLC, Case No. 2:18-cv-06975-ODW (KSx) | Casetext Search + Citator.
 
Bridger said:
<Respectfully snipped by me for focus> The fact that the phone was found in the car argues strongly for suicide versus murder, IMO. Surely someone who goes to the trouble of murdering a man and dumping his body would take and destroy the phone too. It’s lots easier to hide and dispose of a phone than a person.
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On the flip side, does the phone being found in the car simply mean that the person who left it there didn’t care as much about the car being found vs Alan’s body being found?

IMO, there were attempts made to delay discovery of the vehicle, but not to prevent discovery. We don’t know to what extent, if any, there were attempts to clean or wipe down the car. However, according to what we know from public reports, the car wasn’t destroyed, burnt, junked, concealed in an abandoned building, buried, put underwater, taken out of town, or concealed in any way that would be considered permanent.

I can see the phone being left in the car multiple ways: a person intent on self-harm leaving the phone intentionally; a perpetrator leaving the phone in the car to draw attention away from the murder and/or dumping location; either leaving the phone visible in hopes of it being stolen for whatever reason; or even the phone simply being accidentally hidden in the car and time constraints preventing its discovery until LE located the car. (I don’t know if it has been reported whether the phone was in plain sight.)

My opinion only.
 
Here it is again only my opinion !
The phone was NOT in the car otherwise it would not take LE forever to solve the crime Seems to ME that Dallas has become a city where you need to watch your surroundings!
All my OP!!!!
 
Even though that one Dallas Voice article says the phone was found in the car I’m still skeptical. I think it was a misstatement mentioned in passing and the article was offering nothing new otherwise. In a January article Alan’s sister Tina White Huddleston specifically wrote in the comments that they did not have the phone. However I do hope they have it.

https://dallasvoice.com/dpd-waiting-for-crime-scene-results-in-alan-white-case/
 
cujenn81 said:
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The investigation remains active and ongoing, and the Homicide Unit is asking for anyone with information regarding Alan’s case to contact Detective Eric Barnes at (214) 283-4818or eric.barnes@dallascityhall.com. Please reference case number 188623-2020.
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The same exact language - invoking the Homicide Unit - appears on the following website, maintained by the Dallas Police Department.
Endangered Missing Person – James Alan White
Does the Homicide Unit get involved before DPD concludes that a case is a homicide, or only after? In other words, has DPD classed the case of Mr. Alan White a homicide?
 
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Bridger said:
I think there may be some misunderstanding about what information is stored on SIM cards. It’s your phone number and contacts. You can take your SIM card out of one phone and use in in another—your contacts and their numbers will be there. But unless Alan was running around with an old Motorola flip phone, taking the SIM card doesn’t keep anyone from reading Alan’s texts and emails (which are almost certainly stored in the cloud).

I think this is a red herring, based on some musing the VI did about why they (perhaps) weren’t able to locate Alan though pinging his phone.

The fact that the phone was found in the car argues strongly for suicide versus murder, IMO. Surely someone who goes to the trouble of murdering a man and dumping his body would take and destroy the phone too. It’s lots easier to hide and dispose of a phone than a person.
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If it is true that the SIM card was removed, this could have been a simple attempt to ensure the phone wasn't tracked. This could make sense in both a murder or a suicide.

Personal opinion- 70%:30% he was murdered. He drove somewhere else nearby (within a few miles) of the gas station for something and that is where he met his assailants. He did not head straight home. Of course the lack of using his cards, his car, or stealing his phone (if true) all argue against that. Suicide is the other possibility, but that is a long way to walk unless you are thinking the car will be found, but my body never will be in this woods.
 
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If the criminal(s) were looking for fast-turn, easy assets like cash, expensive watches/jewelry, even a designer tote – then I think it could make sense to leave alone the more problematic valuables like the car, credit cards and cell phone.
 
itsrak said:
Does the Homicide Unit get involved before DPD concludes that a case is a homicide, or only after? In other words, has DPD classed the case of Mr. Alan White a homicide?
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If a body is found and it’s unclear whether the deceased has been murdered, of course it’s the homicide unit that investigates. What other unit could it be?
 
itsrak said:
The same exact language - invoking the Homicide Unit - appears on the following website, maintained by the Dallas Police Department.
Endangered Missing Person – James Alan White
Does the Homicide Unit get involved before DPD concludes that a case is a homicide, or only after? In other words, has DPD classed the case of Mr. Alan White a homicide?
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I can't speak to the DPD directly but I can say that in the overwhelming majority of missing persons cases I've followed, it's very common for the case to be handled by homicide investigators, due to their resources and experience. It doesn't automatically mean the lead agency has classified it as such, it just means the case is in the best hands that the department has to offer.

jmo
 
Curiousobserver said:
If it is true that the SIM card was removed, this could have been a simple attempt to ensure the phone wasn't tracked. This could make sense in both a murder or a suicide.

Personal opinion- 70%:30% he was murdered. He drove somewhere else nearby (within a few miles) of the gas station for something and that is where he met his assailants. He did not head straight home. Of course the lack of using his cards, his car, or stealing his phone (if true) all argue against that. Suicide is the other possibility, but that is a long way to walk unless you are thinking the car will be found, but my body never will be in this woods.
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BBM IMO it doesn’t make sense to remove the SIM card. Tossing the phone out of the window would be easier.
If someone took the SIM card and put it in their phone, it wouldn’t provide them any Information. It would basically just turn their phone into Alan’s phone number. They couldn’t see past texts, phone calls etc. only new calls/texts. I guess they could use his sim to reset passwords to various accounts. IDK, it just doesn’t make sense.

I don’t believe the phone was in his car. MOO
 
IF the phone wasn’t in the car, the only situation where I can see someone removing the SIM card is if they were keeping Alan somewhere for a few days and wanted to ensure the phone couldn’t be tracked. Of course this wouldn’t make sense if the phone was in the car and they could have easily tossed the phone (with the SIM card) anywhere. This is such a strange case. MOO
 
evilwise said:
Are husbands only everyone's primary suspect when it's wives who are murdered? Weird. Because I don't see anything about this case that dissuades me from my initial estimation.
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I think the partner/spouse is nearly always LE's first person to rule out, no matter the relationship dynamics.

What was your initial estimation, if you don't mind?
 
evilwise said:
Are husbands only everyone's primary suspect when it's wives who are murdered? Weird. Because I don't see anything about this case that dissuades me from my initial estimation.
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In my observation, persons-of-interest are not based on gender, but rather on a close relationship to the victim(s).

P.S. Your avatar is haunting me. Where have I seen that photo before?
 
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