GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #7

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“Every time I walk out that front door, I’m going to look over here and know I found a little girl. Someone’s little girl, that’s just sitting here miserable in the middle of the street dead, and her family’s out there wondering where she’s at,” Smith said.

Was she sitting up when he found her???


http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Ne...erneath-Tarp-on-Saginaw-Street-213959331.html

I think maybe it's just a way of speaking*, but ... what with the "propped" some thought they heard instead of "tarped"... I do wonder. Probably not, though.

ETA* - sometimes I hear people speak of an object as "just sitting there", and sometimes people depersonalize a body, speaking of it as an object ... that's what I'm thinking
 
I think maybe it's just a way of speaking, but ... what with the "propped" some thought they heard instead of "tarped"... I do wonder. Probably not, though.

I have a 14 year old son- he would have said "laying". In the other MSM article he stated the tarp was tightly wrapped before he tried to move it.
 
I have a 14 year old son- he would have said "laying". In the other MSM article he stated the tarp was tightly wrapped before he tried to move it.

Yes, it does sound a little strange, I agree. Maybe it's a regional way of speech -- I hear things like that here in Georgia.
 
Yes, it does sound a little strange, I agree. Maybe it's a regional way of speech -- I hear things like that here in Georgia.

The GA/regional thing is now a problem- as we live in GA too :)
 
They could just have felt her for a second or misdescribed the feeling. Being young and in shock. I recently lost my grandmother and am trying to think back to feeling her in the minutes-hours afterwards. We were at her home with hospice and had several hours after she passed to spend with her. I cannot recall exactly the way she felt, but rubber isnt a word I'd use to describe the touch at any point up until her funeral. I would say just more cold and some rigor in her hands. This was in a climate-controlled room, she was elderly, and had been recently radiated and was on more meds than I could count. I'm sure all of that does make a difference, I just don't know if it would be a significant difference. Thank you for tackling the timeline. If you need some help let me.

I'm sorry about the recent loss of your grandmother. It's a tough subject to ponder when your recollections are so close up and personal, as yours. And for the most part, mine as well. It's also subjective, and our perception varied. I'll just say again that, based on personal experience, the boy gave an apt description of a fresh corpse. IMO, naturally.
 
Well, hello neighbor! LOL, so much for that explanation!

We are much farther south- and rural. I wonder if it being wrapped so tight- the tarp was "sitting" up- or she may have been wrapped in a sitting position; easier to move. ( you know how you pick up a child sideways- one arm under knees, one around their back)
 
We are much farther south- and rural. I wonder if it being wrapped so tight- the tarp was "sitting" up- or she may have been wrapped in a sitting position; easier to move. ( you know how you pick up a child sideways- one arm under knees, one around their back)

bbm: I think that's very possible, good thinking.

Pretty rural here, too.
 
I think maybe it's just a way of speaking*, but ... what with the "propped" some thought they heard instead of "tarped"... I do wonder. Probably not, though.

ETA* - sometimes I hear people speak of an object as "just sitting there", and sometimes people depersonalize a body, speaking of it as an object ... that's what I'm thinking

True. Some would have said it was "just setting there..."
 
IMO, isolated case means not the work of someone who will strike again. In other words, the public is not in danger:






Investigators are still trying to track down the person who stripped Alanna naked, bound her hands and feet, put a plastic bag over her head and ditched her beneath a tarp in the street.
Alanna's body was found wrapped in a tarp a mile and a half from her home in Saginaw, Texas, on Monday night. She her hands and feet were bound, she had a plastic bag over her head and she was naked except for a pair of purple underwear.
Witnesses who discovered Alanna’s body have said she was bound and that her body was wrapped in a tarp with a belt. Her head was also covered with a bag, they said. http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20130708-in-saginaw-more-questions-but-no-answers-in-girls-slaying.ece

Do you remember reading or hearing that upon discovery someone saw her hair sticking out?
I can't figure out how her hair could be seen if a bag was over her head. :dunno:
 
The time that Alanna left her home has now been released (approx. 4 pm). Why have none of the neighbors stepped forward and said, "I was outside and saw Alanna leave her home around 4 pm and walk down the street/yards/sidewalk?"

Alanna disappeared on a pleasant day where the temperature was not outrageous, so people should have been outside. Individuals who work the 7 am to 3 pm were driving back home at that time. It's logical to assume that someone should have witnessed Alanna leaving her house and going down the street at approx. 4 pm.

There might be sightings that were reported to LE although we haven't heard of them IMO. This LE is not exactly chatty.

But if there was nothing remarkable about a child walking down the street it could be that someone saw and didn't particularly notice. I couldn't tell you who I saw walking down my street yesterday at which time although I certainly saw some people.
 
Do you remember reading or hearing that upon discovery someone saw her hair sticking out?
I can't figure out how her hair could be seen if a bag was over her head. :dunno:

Well if there is a bag tied at the neck there could be visible hair if it's a little longer than that or if there are holes or tearing in the bag.
 
Hello Websleuth community,

Apologies for the long, long, post...

I'm an acquaintance/friend of Alanna's family. I know her non-biological father best (an incredibly sweet guy), and once spent a really fun afternoon playing board games with the whole family. They're all wonderful people, and I have vivid memories of a 4 ½ year old Alanna giving me lots of hugs and demanding to be picked up and swung around. She was so beautiful and full of love, my heart just breaks for all of them.

As a mom, these cases are always really tough on me, but this one hit so very close to home... I want justice for Alanna and some measure of peace for her family, and I'm posting this because something has been bothering me increasingly over these last weeks – especially after hearing that LE are at a standstill. I'd like your opinions on something that happened at our home, less than 48 hours before Alanna was murdered.

On the night of June 29th, we had a friend in from out of town. We had taken our daughter (an occasional playmate of Alanna's older sister) to see Peter Pan in Fort Worth that day. By the time we left the theater, it was nearly 11:00, and our friend wanted us to meet him for drinks before he had to go home. Since the bar was in Fort Worth and we only had the one car, I dropped my husband off there before taking my daughter home and dropping her off with my son (almost 18). By the time I met back up with the guys, it was midnight. We stayed a little past 2:00 AM, and by the time we arrived back home it was nearly 3:00.

Being the driver, I was completely sober of course, and my husband had also been drinking conservatively – he was not drunk in any way. As we approached our home we saw a strange man emerging from the immediate vicinity of our house. Our memories of the event differ slightly, but it definitely raised our hackles. I thought the man came from the very dark area between our house and the neighbors', while my husband (who didn't have to watch the road) said he came from the front porch. Either way, he was definitely on our property in the middle of the night.

The man saw our headlights approaching, and quickly walked down our driveway and across the street. By the time I parked he was on the other side of the street, a couple of houses down, and increasing his pace. My husband told me to check on the kids, and took off after him. I was torn for a moment, not wanting him to get hurt, but the kids took priority so I raced inside to make sure they were okay. I was met by our dogs as usual, and they didn't seem particularly agitated, but then again, Mom was home. I pounded upstairs to find two sleeping kids, and then back outside to check on my husband.

He was walking back toward me. He said that the man had apparently gone into a house four houses down from ours, on the other side of the street. I asked him later if he actually saw the door open and he said he hadn't, and couldn't be sure if he'd even heard it open and close. He took photos of the house and the cars in the driveway, in case anything at home was wrong, and headed back. We checked all the doors and found no sign that anyone had attempted to force them.

We didn't call the police. I wish now that we had, but I'm too willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt. My husband was upset and wanted to call them, or knock on the door of the house and demand to know what was going on, but I argued that nothing looked out of place, everyone was fine, and that the guy might have been drunk and looking for a dark place to pee (the house directly across the street from where he seems to have gone has young people in it, and they sometimes have raucous parties), or chasing Marshmallow - a neighborhood stray cat. (I was still convinced he'd come from the side of the house, and when I went to check back there, Marshmallow was there as she often is.) I also didn't want a confrontation with a possibly drunk neighbor at 3:00 in the morning, and in the end I convinced my husband to let it go. Thirty-seven and a half hours later, Alanna's body was found.

When I heard that a child's body had been found in Saginaw Monday evening, I called my husband, distraught. His first thought was the creeper guy from two nights ago, and so I called the tip line and told them about the incident, including a description of the man. I gave them my information, and they said they'd call if they had any more questions. Wednesday morning I heard the identity of the child, and went into hysterics. No one has contacted us about the incident.


I know I'm an idiot for not wanting to call the police, when we had an apparent prowler while our kids were home alone. I also know there's a good chance it's completely unrelated. But it's driving me crazy hearing that LE have no leads, while no one has followed up on this. For a while I was hoping that they weren't calling us because they had a description that didn't match ours, but that hope is fading with each desperate call for information. Monday I called the tip line again, having heard that they were looking for two dark SUVs – there's a dark SUV in the driveway of that house at night. But they said they were only looking for a red truck, and that investigators were going through all tips carefully.

Other relevant information:

We have an eleven year old daughter.

We live about 2 ½ miles away from Alanna's home, and the place where her body was found is about halfway between her house and ours.

A couple of days ago on this site, there was discussion about a swimming pool, and a map to the nearest one. That pool is in our sub-development, my kids walk there all the time.

I have not mentioned this to the family. It's tenuous at best, and while I consider them friends, I don't feel I know them well enough to intrude on their grief for any less-than-concrete reason.



I've been following the discussion here for several days, and there are some very smart people here. I guess I just needed to get this off my chest, and see what others think. I'd like to think that we haven't been called because LE is following other, better, leads. But the complete lack of information is wearing on everyone, especially residents of this haunted little town. I was hoping that at least you guys might be able to make something of the fact that we haven't been contacted.


If you've made it all the way through this enormously long post, thanks for your time.
- A

Hi, welcome..... You didn't call the cops because your husband saw the man enter his home, is that correct?

:moo:
 
Well if he/she hit her and she was injured but not dead. And the driver panicked and murdered her to avoid a serious charge. She may have been bound to keep her still while transporting her. Maybe the bag was used to suffocate her. Maybe it was then staged to look like a sex crime. Maybe she was left on the street because the killer had no idea what else to do, or felt remorse and wanted her found. On the last question, to avoid being identified by Alanna.

:seeya:
Wasn't it said by a pros atty. at CAs trial that people DON'T make ACCIDENTS look like MURDER? :moo:
I just don't see a person killing an accident victim, Imoo.
 
Mom left approx. Noon
Mom arrived back home approximately 4:00
Alanna was not there
all unconfirmed to my knowledge
Alanna was discovered approx 7:15


There was a confirmed sighting of Alanna at approx. 2:30pm.


Soooooo does that mean no one claims to have seen Alanna between 2:30 and 7:15 when her body was discovered? :moo:
 
There was a confirmed sighting of Alanna at approx. 2:30pm.


Soooooo does that mean no one claims to have seen Alanna between 2:30 and 7:15 when her body was discovered? :moo:


There was a video with MM saying he saw her at 4 ish.
 
:seeya:
Wasn't it said by a pros atty. at CAs trial that people DON'T make ACCIDENTS look like MURDER? :moo:
I just don't see a person killing an accident victim, Imoo.

Well I didn't follow that case but I do agree with that, if the accident caused the death. A few pages back I posted an idea, see below. I'm not suggesting a deadly accident made to look like murder, but an actual murder to cover up an accident. Is there a difference? I think so but I could be going batty. I don't actually think that's what happened and I'm just throwing it out there.


I have been tossing something like this around in my mind too. Could it have started as an accident and ended as a murder? Say a vehicle hit her in a driveway and injured her, and the driver was drunk or had a bad record. The driver panics and ends up murdering her (bag, tape, restraints?). This would fit with the statements about it being an isolated case, and "one of the most complicated cases". The autopsy would have to determine the sequence of injures and COD. It also fits with the apparent hurried and random placing of her body on the street imo.
 
Well if there is a bag tied at the neck there could be visible hair if it's a little longer than that or if there are holes or tearing in the bag.

:seeya: of course you are right.
 
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