TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered his apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #3

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@MERITLAW
, the lawyer for the family of
#BothamJeanhis analysis of why authorities "sought a warrant looking for evidence of drug paraphernalia or other criminal activity," which he says was not "probative of the crime they were investigating."
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[Thora_Jay]

Was the elevator not working in the building that night?

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

It may be probative, material and relevant to crimes they are investigating. AG very well may have been moonlighting as a package girl slinging dope which is why she was at his home???

Perhaps most would find it harder to believe she had a side hustle than her story of how and why she was there? Sarcasm some....

@MERITLAW
, the lawyer for the family of
#BothamJeanhis analysis of why authorities "sought a warrant looking for evidence of drug paraphernalia or other criminal activity," which he says was not "probative of the crime they were investigating."
Twitter

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Was the elevator not working in the building that night?

Several residents there are posting stuff on facebook and twitter showing walk arounds, how the doors work and so forth.

I haven't read anything about the elevators not working although I do recall seeing a 5th search warrant dated the 14th seeking elevator records. I believe it requires a resident key to operate.

 

[kaen]

These seem to speak directly to AG's situation she created.

From the policy: H. Policy Restrictions - The restrictions of this policy shall not apply if an off-duty officer acts within the provisions of current state statutes to protect the employee's personal property. In this case the officer is acting as a private citizen.

Absolutely. Now, some might argue that Stand Your Ground laws might be in play. And, this officer has muddied the waters as she was in uniform (discouraged by DPD), used her service weapon, and was (by her account) acting as an officer giving commands. She did not assert that she was a police officer in any account I have read (affidavit released). However, the initial investigation and her arrest were all conducted as this was an officer involved shooting, so she got extra protections. If it was not being investigated as an officer involved shooting(OIS), her car, her gun, and her home would have secured as well as Mr. Jean's home. They would have also gotten a warrant for residue immediately. And, they would not have let her make calls. She reaped a lot of benefits by being an officer initially.

DPD has some issue with their lack of clarity. That said, I wonder how closely the DPD policy on an OIS followed with the two level investigation before it was determined not to be an OIS. If procedure was not followed, DPD and the investigation team should be in an internal review process right now.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

SYG statute requires the claimant not to be in the commission of a crime during the killing. Some statutes have clear language that the shooter cannot be in SYG situation due to any fault of their own.

From the policy: H. Policy Restrictions - The restrictions of this policy shall not apply if an off-duty officer acts within the provisions of current state statutes to protect the employee's personal property. In this case the officer is acting as a private citizen.

Absolutely. Now, some might argue that Stand Your Ground laws might be in play.

 

[Thora_Jay]

Several residents there are posting stuff on facebook and twitter showing walk arounds, how the doors work and so forth.

I haven't read anything about the elevators not working although I do recall seeing a 5th search warrant dated the 14th seeking elevator records. I believe it requires a resident key to operate.

Thank you DisturbedConcerned,
I am wondering why it appears that EMT brought Botham on the stretcher down the stairs instead of using the elevator.

 

[kaen]

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May I ask you to state what you are linking to in the future? Some here are not Twitter users and others may be suspicious linking to something that is not defined. Thanks.

ETA: I see you deleted your original post and reposted with details. Thanks.

 

[Via Marple]

Actually I do remember reading somewhere about the above points 1 and 2... But not worded exactly like that, not to mention I think it was said 12-15 ft. Without a link, it is not possible to verify, but I can check.

Don't remember seeing point 3 reported anywhere at all.

Ok, here is an article with similar information:
Evidence released in Botham Jean slaying prompts allegations of 'smear campaign' | Crime | Dallas News

Evidence from Botham Jean’s apartment supports Dallas police Officer Amber Guyger’s account that she shot Jean from across the room as she stood inside his apartment door, two law enforcement officials with direct knowledge of the case told The Dallas Morning News.

One of the law enforcement officials said Guyger has always said she was in the doorway but Jean was not. The same official said Jean was 12 to 15 feet away from the door when first responders arrived.

“That is where he stood when he was shot and where he fell,” that law enforcement official said.

And voila! This may be where Jim G got the idea for his point 3:

The law enforcement official said police spoke to one of those witnesses the night of the shooting and the witness did not offer that account to police. Law enforcement, however, is looking into those accounts.

When I read that article, I just thought some anonymous LE was leaking and feeding the media. Though the 12-15 ft was useful info for me.

 

[Betty P]

Looks more legit now? I found it! Thanks for the directions to it.

Response from Texas Rangers sounds about what I expected. They don't want to pursue any charges at all. Apparently they feel LE shouldn't be held accountable for murdering innocent citizens.

The whole thing looks like a stalemate. Someone needs to step up and do the right thing by filing murder charges.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

I actually didn't catch that detail although if that is what happened, it is a good question. Perhaps the elevator was known to be turtle slow or they had cleared all unoffical personnel and didn't have a key handy?

Thank you DisturbedConcerned,
I am wondering why it appears that EMT brought Botham on the stretcher down the stairs instead of using the elevator.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

That dynamic, layered with the lingering frustration over a pattern of police violence against black men who committed no crime, has prompted skepticism, anger and fears that justice will prove as elusive as it has before.

"There's this fatigue and frustration that has definitely hit a nerve, because we just want it to end," said Pastor Richie Butler of St. Paul United Methodist Church in Dallas. "You get to a boiling point."

As such, the killing of Botham Jean has provoked a visceral reaction.

At Friday night's march, demonstrators made their first stop at the South Side Flats, where the fatal encounter had taken place.

"This is sacred ground," activist Dominique Alexander told the crowd as many knelt for a moment of silence.

"We will not tolerate this anymore," he said, as a peal of thunder shook downtown and the rain began to pour.

The Rev. Jeff Hood, a Dallas activist, added: "When the thunder is rumbling, you know God is with you."

'You get to a boiling point': Botham Jean's killing revives community's expectations of injustice | Dallas | Dallas News

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

THAT BOMBSHELL NEEDS TO BE FOUND, ARCHIVED AND DISSEMNATED FAR AND WIDE!

There is a "Shooting incident fact sheet" floating around on FB, supposedly sent out to "Mayor and Members of the City Council" from "Asst City Manager Jon Fortune" the day after this happened. It states the initial understanding was that the officer was working security at the apartment complex and had a master key. Now where would that info come from?

I've been waiting for msm to pick it up so it can be discussed here.
Anyone have any contacts in the local media world?

 

[kaen]

Thank you DisturbedConcerned,
I am wondering why it appears that EMT brought Botham on the stretcher down the stairs instead of using the elevator.

That is strange to me. They would not have been able to continue CPR easily on the stairs. In many buildings near where I live, the security team/person has the key to hold the elevator on a floor for a medical emergency until the EMS team is ready to go. Did the EMS team walk up the four floors? Or, use the elevator?

 

[Thora_Jay]

I actually didn't catch that detail although if that is what happened, it is a good question. Perhaps the elevator was known to be turtle slow or they had cleared all unoffical personnel and didn't have a key handy?

Thank you, I ask because a video I wanted you to post for me appears to show that Botham was brought the long way down the stairs.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

A video file on your device or have you uploaded it say, to youtube?
What is the file size?
IF is is hosted, already published on the net anywhere, all you have to do is copy and paste the link.
Youtube URL or embed codes are easy as well.

Thank you, I ask because a video I wanted you to post for me appears to show that Botham was brought the long way down the stairs.

 

[Thora_Jay]

That is strange to me. They would not have been able to continue CPR easily on the stairs. In many buildings near where I live, the security team/person has the key to hold the elevator on a floor for a medical emergency until the EMS team is ready to go. Did the EMS team walk up the four floors? Or, use the elevator?

I thought it was strange also since no one could perform life saving measures and also a much longer way.

 

[Thora_Jay]

A video file on your device or have you uploaded it say, to youtube?
What is the file size?
IF is is hosted, already published on the net anywhere, all you have to do is copy and paste the link.
Youtube URL or embed codes are easy as well.

It is not YouTube it is a Facebook video that was live.

 

[raven9860]

Gigglingtoes, where did you find Phillip T. Livingston for Dallas' facebook post? Do you have a link or a full page screen shot? I followed the link supplied and didn't find that post.

After the post was called out as false and condemned by the mayor, the post was deleted.