TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #2

[Gigglingtoes]

Yeah, me too. I don't care if it belonged to him. He's not on trial here and she didn't have a warrant.

I don't even care that much if it was hers unless she was high at the time and/or while on duty.

Although I DO care if it was originally hers but LE is claiming it belonged to him.

I can’t even imagine being
A) stoned and so angry I shoot someone due to noise or something
B) being so stoned I didn’t realize which apartment I was going to and then shoot someone and kill them.
C) being the victim, being stoned and have somebody phycho walk into my apartment, order commands (confusing) and then shoot me.

C sounds horrifying.

 

[kaen]

I haven't seen anything to suggest that AG changed her story. We already know DPD didn't originally interview her. She was only interviewed by Texas Rangers.

I will look for the quote that said she was interviewed briefly at the scene and sent home. She then did have a second interview with the Rangers later.

ETA links:
"According to police, Guyger shot and killed Jean after returning in uniform to the South Side Flats, where they both had apartments, following her shift. She reported the shooting to dispatchers and she told officers who responded that she had mistaken Jean’s apartment for her own.

Many questions remain about what led Guyger to shoot Jean. Hall said the officer’s blood was drawn at the scene so that it could be tested for alcohol and drugs. Investigators haven’t released the results of those tests. " Amber Guyger who killed Botham Jean in apartment should be charged: Lawyer says

"Guyger then called 911 from her cell phone requesting an ambulance and police to the location. Jean was transported to Baylor Hospital, where he died. Guyger remained at the scene and told the responding officers and 911 operator that she thought she was at her apartment when she shot Jean, according to the affidavit. Guyger “believed she was in her apartment and confronted by a burglar when she fired her handgun, striking and killing him,” the document says."Amber Guyger: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com


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[Jax49]

I will look for the quote that said she was interviewed briefly at the scene and sent home. She then did have a second interview with the Rangers later.

Look for something about "asked a couple of questions", IIRC.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Any discrepancy or proven duplicitous accountings by the defendant would result in a reasonable panelist viewing the defendant poorly. They would understandably deny the defendant any benefit of the doubt when they are already being expected to believe a very incredulous and unlikely premise. This while knowing her accounting would certainly be crafted to conceal murderous intent and result in a much less serious charge.

Lying to police officers is a crime and for that to be done by a police officer in order to preserve herself from being taken that night on a murk 1 or 2 charge, is unlikely to be veiwed favorably to her by any legitimate jury panelist or actually honorable court.

I'd say she had counsel advising her maybe even on the scene and present with her when interviewed with the Rangers.

I do wonder if the fraternal order brotherhood put up her bond or one of their own bonded her on his surety.

As a juror, I "think" I would buy the wrong apartment theory from a cop before the confronting a neighbor story. I do believe she went up to confront him and it went bad. Maybe she lost it when he didn't open up immediately. After he was shot, she probably had a minute or so to come up with a "story". Wrong apartment was probably the one she thought was easier to "sell" than the usual "innocent black man without a weapon killed by cop" story that typically happens.
I definitely don't buy the wrong apartment story. Red mat, illuminated door signs, lighted pathways, and possibly her door handle being on the opposite side?
I'm fairly new to where I live now (still a few months) and all of these townhomes are the exact same color, same door, same garage color. I still have to make sure I go to the right number since that's the only thing distinguishing mine from everyone else's. Now I have a patio bench so that helps as well as a distinctive door mat so I will know for sure. And I frequently work long stressful shifts as a nurse so I'm not buying that line either.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

Jennie … I agree totally with you. I always thank a police officer when I see him or her for the job they do keeping us all safe. I wonder how many times the critics here have called on LE in their lives. It seems a bit hypocritical. More than anything, I'd like to know what transpired in those 5-10 seconds (?) after the door opened.

I can’t find the original posters comment but at what point in this thread was anyone ever disrespectful or anti police????

We are disgusted and horrified with what THIS officer did. We are speaking of THIS officer. Of course, there are other police officers out there who also do bad things but no one is saying all cops are bad.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Sept 7 Search Warrant Affidavit
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4878230/Affidavit-to-search-Botham-Jean-s-apartment.pdf

Affidavit of Arrest Warrant
Full arrest warrant affidavit for Dallas police officer Amber Guyger

 

[Gigglingtoes]

Amber's apartment is not to be touched. It's not a crime scene.

It is being touched though. She’s moving out.

 

[kaen]

any discrepancy or proven duplicitous accountings by the defendant would result in a reasonable panelist viewing the defendant poorly and denying them any benefit of the doubt.

Lying to police officers is a crime and for that to be done by a police officer in order to preserve herself from being taken that night on a murk 1 or 2 charge, is unlikely to be veiwed favorably to her by any legitimate jury panelist or actually honorable court.

I'd say she had counsel advising her maybe even on the scene and present with her when interviewed with the Rangers.

I do wonder if the fraternal order brotherhood put up her bond or one of their own bonded her on his surety.

We know the responding officer told her she could call her partner but not tell him/her anything. I would be willing to bet that the next call would be to her delegate and representation/discussions about framing her actions came after she left the scene that night. We all know that is how it goes.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

and perhaps scuplting that story was assisted by a clever FOP criminal defense attorney all police officers, especially cute-ish and young pop-tarts, thereto have 24-7-365 access.

I continue to think that the reason that the two stories of what happened are different is because he was not yet deceased when she first told what happened. The two neighbors who heard words spoken ("Let me in") and shots seem to be in line with the first story. All that changed after he was dead---refused to comply with verbal commands and what not. I believe the different story emerged after she was sure he couldn't refute her claims, convenient to her deadly force actions.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

How do we know that? I know she asked if she could make a call on the scene AFTER responders arrived, but, I was unaware any limits or qualifications were specified.

We know the responding officer told her she could call her partner but not tell him/her anything. I would be willing to bet that the next call would be to her delegate and representation/discussions about framing her actions came after she left the scene that night. We all know that is how it goes.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

GPS cell tower data, text and data access records too and anything else police hackers can extract from her world before and after... I wonder if DPD wear body cams and audio recorders full time. A chick as blatantly careless with her Pininterest page of questionably inappropriate snippets, likely is arrogant enough to have slipped up and spoken to others about her noisey black neighbor problem.

I think that it would be very interesting to see a log of phone calls from her phone that day, every single minute.

Was she talking on the phone prior to going to the "wrong" apartment? Who was she talking to? Who did she call after the shots were heard? What was the timeline on that?

If I was on the Grand jury, I would have quite a few questions...

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

del_

 

[Legally Bland]

They could well have been cricket fans. Botham, however, was from Saint Lucia, not Saint Kitts.

As a matter of Carribean trivia, control of Saint Lucia was passed between France and Britain in a power play before winding up a British colony. English is the official language, but almost everybody speaks French as well. The victims last name of 'Jean' reflects the island's mixed French / British colonial background.

I'm pretty sure he'll have been named after Ian Botham. St. Lucia is a member of the multi-national 'West Indies' cricket team.

 

[kaen]

There is a distinct lack of trust between police and many of the communities they serve. Where does it come from? Are there corrupt cops? Of course there are. Are there good cops? Of course. Do innocent cops get killed? Of course they do. I would much rather wait for the trial to happen, with everything laid out on the table. I will then decide for myself if AG is a murderer or not.

RSBM
I think your question about the distrust is a good one. There are many reasons that people may distrust law enforcement. (Here is a great recent example on WS--- Arkansas police officer fired after telling a group of black men 'you don't belong in my city')

I am not anti-police. I have family members who are police officers. Even my family members have noted the corrupt practices in departments and actions that are questionable. When we as a society believe that questioning those in power (government and law enforcement) is verboten, we lose freedom and the ideals that the country was founded upon. It is not good for police or government or anyone to develop beliefs that their behavior will not be scrutinized or challenged.

In the killing of Mr. Jean, the shooter/officer made questionable actions regardless of whether she was seen as an on-duty or off-duty officer. Mr. Jean paid for her actions with his life. I have very little doubt that this officer was able to change her story based on his ability to contradict her and did so in an effort to exonerate herself from a poor decision and action sequence.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

A CNN team visited Jean's apartment Friday, where a small memorial of flowers and a photo with his mother adorn the front door.
Several books were scattered around the unit, including C.S. Lewis' "The Screwtape Letters," which was on Jean's bedside table. Some dishes were left in the kitchen sink, and a bowl filled with ID badges, keys and notes covered the counter.
There were a few signs of the shooting: blood on the floor and a bullet hole in a wall identified by an evidence marking more than 6 feet high.

Botham Jean's family says warrant is part of a smear campaign against slain man - CNN
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[kaen]

How do we know that? I know she asked if she could make a call on the scene AFTER responders arrived, but, I was unaware any limits or qualifications were specified.

I am looking for the link in the first thread. It was written that she asked permission and was told not to tell details of what happened.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[Isabelle]

It is being touched though. She’s moving out.

Oh, she is moving out of her apartment? I would guesss apartment management suggested that she do that. Doubt residents of the building would want to continue to live there if she stayed.

 

[Jax49]

Botham Jean's family says warrant is part of a smear campaign against slain man - CNN
BBM

Thank you for posting. I'd been very curious to see his apartment. I'm assuming the 6 foot plus high bullet hole is the shot that missed. moo

ETA: Lucky she didn't kill another innocent tenant, imho.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

There are 16 photos of Mr. Jean’s apartment available here:
Tragic scenes inside apartment where white cop shot dead black neighbor | Daily Mail Online