TX TX - Cheryl Henry, 22, & Andy Atkinson, 21, Houston, 21 Aug 1990

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Admittedly didnt read through 31 pages, I will say that from what I read, this case has that eerie "serial" feel to it.

Would have zero issues stating that this was neither his 1st or last crime, hopefully modern DNA technology catches up with this

DNA was matched to a rape victim in Houston close to when Cherly and Andy were murdered. Unfortunately the rape kit wasn't processed until 13 years later.
 
I was looking for any updates on the internet and I found this:

Missing Pieces: Police using new technology to help solve 'Lovers Lane murders'

This is weird: they are talking about familial DNA back in November 2017, which was about 6 months before the Golden State Killer was apprehended. Before that happened, I can see that their only option was to find a specific suspect and obtain either his or his family's DNA. But now that California has shown them the way why don't they now take the additional step of uploading their results to an ancestry website and see what happens? What's stopping them? Expense? Politics?
 
I was looking for any updates on the internet and I found this:

Missing Pieces: Police using new technology to help solve 'Lovers Lane murders'

This is weird: they are talking about familial DNA back in November 2017, which was about 6 months before the Golden State Killer was apprehended. Before that happened, I can see that their only option was to find a specific suspect and obtain either his or his family's DNA. But now that California has shown them the way why don't they now take the additional step of uploading their results to an ancestry website and see what happens? What's stopping them? Expense? Politics?

I'll be shocked if this isn't solved very soon. The costs to do the work & genealogy mapping can run $3000-$6000 not a lot overall considering what they spend on investigating
 
ll be shocked if this isn't solved very soon. The costs to do the work & genealogy mapping can run $3000-$6000 not a lot overall considering what they spend on investigating

morf, you have answered one of my big questions on Forensic Genetic Mapping. Perhaps you could answer some other questions,

1) is the DNA analysis that is used for CODIS the same that is used for Genetic mapping or must a different sample of biological material be used to get a “read” that can then be mapped. I am aware that in many older cases, all biological material has been “used up” during the initial investigation; presumably to get a read that can be compared to the CODIS data base or to a known suspect. Are those cases now unavailable for genetic mapping?

2) it is my understanding that Y-SRT DNA and Mitochondrial DNA are worthless for genetic mapping. Is that correct?

3) we are aware of the successes but how common is it for a there not to be enough family genetic records submitted to allow a particular sample to be mapped? How much of a problem is that?

4). Is there a generally agreed upon name for the process of genetic mapping we are asking about?


If this process is as inexpensive you indicate, it would seem that it should be used in routinely not most in high profile cold cases.
 
morf, you have answered one of my big questions on Forensic Genetic Mapping. Perhaps you could answer some other questions,

1) is the DNA analysis that is used for CODIS the same that is used for Genetic mapping or must a different sample of biological material be used to get a “read” that can then be mapped. I am aware that in many older cases, all biological material has been “used up” during the initial investigation; presumably to get a read that can be compared to the CODIS data base or to a known suspect. Are those cases now unavailable for genetic mapping?

2) it is my understanding that Y-SRT DNA and Mitochondrial DNA are worthless for genetic mapping. Is that correct?

3) we are aware of the successes but how common is it for a there not to be enough family genetic records submitted to allow a particular sample to be mapped? How much of a problem is that?

4). Is there a generally agreed upon name for the process of genetic mapping we are asking about?


If this process is as inexpensive you indicate, it would seem that it should be used in routinely not most in high profile cold cases.

LOL, I am not an expert in the Science, biology, and terminology of it by any stretch. Sorry. I just know that if a sample is collected and preserved well, and there is enough of it, a profile can be made to enter into GEDmatch. Sometimes the sample is too small, or can only be used to rule people out. Depends on each crime scene. I suspect that in Cheryl's and Andy's case, they have a good amount to work with
 
I was looking for any updates on the internet and I found this:

Missing Pieces: Police using new technology to help solve 'Lovers Lane murders'

This is weird: they are talking about familial DNA back in November 2017, which was about 6 months before the Golden State Killer was apprehended. Before that happened, I can see that their only option was to find a specific suspect and obtain either his or his family's DNA. But now that California has shown them the way why don't they now take the additional step of uploading their results to an ancestry website and see what happens? What's stopping them? Expense? Politics?

Questions my family is asking and not getting good answers on. Very frustrating.
 
Less than a year ago the science of Forensic Genetic Mapping broke with the arrest of the Golden State Killer. Since then dozens of cases have been solved using that method. If there was ever an appropriate case for it, it is this case.

Now, if it is currently being done, perhaps it is best to say nothing so as not to tip off the perp. If it has been tried and it was unsuccessful, I can see both arguments pro and con in announcing it.

It has occurred to me that I am not aware of any case from the State of Texas that has been cleared by forensic genetic mapping. Cane nypne think of one?
 
Less than a year ago the science of Forensic Genetic Mapping broke with the arrest of the Golden State Killer. Since then dozens of cases have been solved using that method. If there was ever an appropriate case for it, it is this case.

Now, if it is currently being done, perhaps it is best to say nothing so as not to tip off the perp. If it has been tried and it was unsuccessful, I can see both arguments pro and con in announcing it.

It has occurred to me that I am not aware of any case from the State of Texas that has been cleared by forensic genetic mapping. Cane nypne think of one?

Experts explain how your DNA can help catch a killer

I don't know any out of Houston.
 
Less than a year ago the science of Forensic Genetic Mapping broke with the arrest of the Golden State Killer. Since then dozens of cases have been solved using that method. If there was ever an appropriate case for it, it is this case.

Now, if it is currently being done, perhaps it is best to say nothing so as not to tip off the perp. If it has been tried and it was unsuccessful, I can see both arguments pro and con in announcing it.

It has occurred to me that I am not aware of any case from the State of Texas that has been cleared by forensic genetic mapping. Cane nypne think of one?

Not Houston, but here is a case out of Brazos County, TX:

June 26, 2018
“A 37-year-old Brazos County homicide case has been solved, authorities said Monday.

A man executed by lethal injection two decades agois responsible for the 1981 death of Virginia Freeman, Brazos County Sheriff Chris Kirk said.

Kirk said an analysis of DNA recovered from beneath Freeman’s fingernails provided ‘clear and convincing evidence’ linking James Otto Earhart to the woman’s death.

Earhart was executed Aug. 11, 1999, for the 1987 kidnapping and murder of 9-year-old Kandy Janell Kirtland of Bryan.

[SBM]

Ellen Greytak, director of bioinformatics at Parabon, said Monday that the company used public DNA databases available for ancestry and adoption research to help solve the Freeman case.

[SBM]

Kirk said the DNA ancestral analysis identified two female samples in the database, both second cousins of the suspect. Parabon researchers then identified the great-grandparents of the top DNA matches. The great-grandparents had six children, Kirk said, and the scientists determined the suspect would likely be the grandson of one of those children.

Last week, Parabon officials notified Brazos County investigators that based on ancestry genetic research, Earhart was the likely suspect in Freeman’s death.

‘We are all elated to finally close this case,’ Kirk said. ‘The one regret I have is that we weren’t able to put handcuffs on the suspect and prosecute him for the vicious killing of Virginia Freeman,’ Kirk said.

Kirk said investigators have filed paperwork to exhume Earhart’s body to confirm the DNA connection.

‘Earhart was already on our list’ of suspects, Kirk said.

Kirk credited former Investigator Dick Gulledge, who, in 1981, secured the hands of the victim and collected fingernail clippings during the autopsy. DNA technology did not exist in 1981, but Kirk said the Bexar County Medical Examiner’s Office helped preserve the DNA found underneath Freeman’s fingernails.

No DNA sample was collected from Earhart while he was alive, but a DNA sample provided by Earhart’s son in April 2017 was analyzed by the Texas Department of Public Safety’s Austin lab, and the testing indicated a match, Kirk said.

Freeman’s children said in a statement Monday that they were grateful to Kirk, Investigator Kenny Elliott, the Brazos County Sheriff’s Department and others involved in the case. ‘We hope that this brings some closure to all who were affected by this crime,’ the statement said.”
Modern forensics lead Brazos County authorities to executed murderer as likely killer of Virginia Freeman

More on Ms. Freeman’s case:
Body of executed killer James Earhart exhumed for DNA testing

Virginia Freeman's unsolved 1981 killing remains priority for original investigators
 
Thanks for the bump.................. we are hoping for progress with the DNA and the constant solving of cases using genetic genealogy is giving us some hope.
 
Mocity, I am so sorry for your loss. I believe this case will be solved this year. It is way overdue. I actually did an episode about your sister's and Andy's case on my podcast. I remember reading that the security guard that found the car called your father and your parents arrived before the police. That was even more heartbreaking. I was reviewing my notes and couldn't find where I read that. Am I correct?
 
Mocity, I am so sorry for your loss. I believe this case will be solved this year. It is way overdue. I actually did an episode about your sister's and Andy's case on my podcast. I remember reading that the security guard that found the car called your father and your parents arrived before the police. That was even more heartbreaking. I was reviewing my notes and couldn't find where I read that. Am I correct?
Mocity, I found it on page 30. You said you thought he called after finding Cheryl's purse in the car.
 
Mocity, I am so sorry for your loss. I believe this case will be solved this year. It is way overdue. I actually did an episode about your sister's and Andy's case on my podcast. I remember reading that the security guard that found the car called your father and your parents arrived before the police. That was even more heartbreaking. I was reviewing my notes and couldn't find where I read that. Am I correct?

Yes that is how I remember it happening. The area was close to our house and my parents actually got out there before the police. Thank goodness they didn't find them. The police were very close behind tho.
 
This is a repost from page 26, post # 505. I keep asking myself this over and over.
To me anyway, the answer to this question could determine whether or not there was more than one suspect.

Snipped:

Thinking out loud..
If both were taken from the car at the same time by one person, to me, it would make sense that both would have been led from the car to the tree, Andy would have been tied up and no longer a threat, and then Cheryl led away the 100 yards away.
So, if the dogs tracked her scent from the car, why didn't they find Andy till the next day? The dog should have led LE right past Andy first, before they found Cheryl.
If in fact, the dog started tracking from the car, that says there had to be two people involved. One took Andy one way, and the other took Cheryl the other way.
 
This is a repost from page 26, post # 505. I keep asking myself this over and over.
To me anyway, the answer to this question could determine whether or not there was more than one suspect.

Snipped:

Thinking out loud..
If both were taken from the car at the same time by one person, to me, it would make sense that both would have been led from the car to the tree, Andy would have been tied up and no longer a threat, and then Cheryl led away the 100 yards away.
So, if the dogs tracked her scent from the car, why didn't they find Andy till the next day? The dog should have led LE right past Andy first, before they found Cheryl.
If in fact, the dog started tracking from the car, that says there had to be two people involved. One took Andy one way, and the other took Cheryl the other way.

I just sent this question over to the detective. If I get a response I will let you know. I think I remember it that they were searching very close to where Andy was but somehow missed him.
 

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