TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #4

[fridaybaker]

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According to whokilledlizbarraza.com she lived in Florida at one point. Does anyone know where in Florida?

Thanks for pointing this out! I’ve tried to find out where in Florida she lived and for how long but all the searches come up with information on the murder rather than residence/previous residence info. Does someone here have a subscription to Spokeo or something like that that could tell us where she lived in Florida?

I’m beginning to think this could be key as nothing seems to be coming together on the local front. It would make sense as to why Sergio wouldn’t come up with the person as a suspect. I’m thinking she maybe lived there before Sergio and he, therefore, wouldn’t know about this person?

 

[arielilane]

Maybe it's me (moo); however, reward information (especially dollar amount) on Liz's website would serve better if in larger font, imo.


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[Curiousobserver]

One other thought I had, though maybe it is not that important, is that this person may have had 0-4 hours sleep between the time they drove by the house around 2 AM and coming back after 6:50. I wonder how this person was able to stay up or have the energy to shoot, sprint and speed the way they did if they didn’t get that much rest the night before? Is this someone who typically works nights, did they happen to buy any coffee, energy drinks or food nearby and if so, are any of the cameras of nearby vendors or bars on the highways/interstate helpful? Was he or she not expected at work or home in the morning like Liz and Sergio?

Also, I read that investigators believe the killer drove back to make sure Liz was dead and that caused me to wonder about the age, experience and thought process of the killer because unfortunately he or she shot Liz four times throughout her neck, chest and head. Why weren’t the placement of the shots and the severity of her injuries enough to give the shooter assurance? The killer also did not get out of the car so they did not check for a pulse, they didn’t do a sternal rub to see if she could regain consciousness and I can’t speak if they could see the rise and fall of Liz’s chest to indicate if she was breathing but it did turn out that Liz was still alive when the killer drove back so I wonder what the shooter expected to see or hear to make their assessment? Did they expect hear her groaning or calling out for help despite her neck, chest and facial wounds? Did they think she would just get up and walk? And even if they determined she was still alive was it was worth the risk of getting out of the car to shoot more knowing that the shots would be loud and attract attention and that neighbors and witnesses could use that time to zoom in and take pictures of the killer, the license plates and the vehicle? It might be possible they maybe they were just using visual cues to make their assessment or possibly they were taking video or pictures for proof or experiencing feelings of disbelief about what they had just done and had to verify it for themselves but I was just wondering a little bit about this.

This is definitely an opportunity here- the killer came by at 2am then went somewhere for hours...

In my mind if you are local, you don't need to show up at 2AM to check the place out, you can drive by anytime. People like their sleep and your nosey neighbors notice if you pull out at 2AM. If you live 20 minutes away you get up at 6:00 for a 7:00 murder.

You arrive at 2AM because you're coming from far away and you can't be late and you also need enough time to drive around and check things out. Far away could be a couple of hours away or many hours away. I am giving LE the benefit of doubt and speculating that they did not catch this car on any major highway traffic cams so I am guessing a couple of hours away vs another state.

So then where do you go at 2AM? You don't want to go to sleep and miss your opportunity. You go somewhere open all night to get coffee or food and kill some time (pun intended). That's a Denny's/Dunkin/Walmart trip. That is where the good video is/was.

 

[santacruztodd]

This is definitely an opportunity here- the killer came by at 2am then went somewhere for hours...

In my mind if you are local, you don't need to show up at 2AM to check the place out, you can drive by anytime. People like their sleep and your nosey neighbors notice if you pull out at 2AM. If you live 20 minutes away you get up at 6:00 for a 7:00 murder.

You arrive at 2AM because you're coming from far away and you can't be late and you also need enough time to drive around and check things out. Far away could be a couple of hours away or many hours away. I am giving LE the benefit of doubt and speculating that they did not catch this car on any major highway traffic cams so I am guessing a couple of hours away vs another state.

So then where do you go at 2AM? You don't want to go to sleep and miss your opportunity. You go somewhere open all night to get coffee or food and kill some time (pun intended). That's a Denny's/Dunkin/Walmart trip. That is where the good video is/was.

Good points. With that much adrenaline pumping at 2 am, I doubt that they parked somewhere and took a nap. Again-no way to know what they did, but MAN do I want to know! They may have parked on a quiet street and played games on their phone or, as you say, went to more public place. My thought is that they wanted to avoid being on camera, so if the killer came from out of town perhaps they were well-supplied with liquids/snacks, etc., avoiding the need to take any chances going into a retail/commercial area with surveillance. The amount of work obtaining video ALONE in this case is a monumental task and would take MANY man-hours. With 500 homicides a year, I'm not sure Harris County has those kinds of resources-but I do agree that SOMEWHERE there is footage of this perp that has yet come to light. All IMHO.

 

[santacruztodd]

This is definitely an opportunity here- the killer came by at 2am then went somewhere for hours...

In my mind if you are local, you don't need to show up at 2AM to check the place out, you can drive by anytime. People like their sleep and your nosey neighbors notice if you pull out at 2AM. If you live 20 minutes away you get up at 6:00 for a 7:00 murder.

You arrive at 2AM because you're coming from far away and you can't be late and you also need enough time to drive around and check things out. Far away could be a couple of hours away or many hours away. I am giving LE the benefit of doubt and speculating that they did not catch this car on any major highway traffic cams so I am guessing a couple of hours away vs another state.

So then where do you go at 2AM? You don't want to go to sleep and miss your opportunity. You go somewhere open all night to get coffee or food and kill some time (pun intended). That's a Denny's/Dunkin/Walmart trip. That is where the good video is/was.

Think about it-you drive by at 2am BECAUSE you are from a good distance away, and you have had no prior opportunity to case the location. There is a high degree of likelihood that the killer drove directly to the scene at 2am from wherever they came from, and that the distance they traveled was great enough to prevent them from making multiple trips to both surveille the area and then commit the crime.

 

[KindMind1ofA]

Does someone here have a subscription to Spokeo or something like that that could tell us where she lived in Florida?

I did a free search a while back and it didn't go back to the Florida time, but she was in Texas for high school.

 

[arielilane]

IMO, a key factor in planning this horrific murder was to kill Liz as early as possible before there are people milling around getting outside and heading to work and as more school buses are in commission. Not sure what time Goddard School classes begin. This school is early childhood development so it most likely opened late mornings.

If iirc S explained during the Paula Zahn show that he left for work earlier than usual that day. He helped Liz set up some of the heavier items and then he left for work.

So who would ask S to start work early that day and why?

MOO

 

[arielilane]

This is definitely an opportunity here- the killer came by at 2am then went somewhere for hours...

In my mind if you are local, you don't need to show up at 2AM to check the place out, you can drive by anytime. People like their sleep and your nosey neighbors notice if you pull out at 2AM. If you live 20 minutes away you get up at 6:00 for a 7:00 murder.

You arrive at 2AM because you're coming from far away and you can't be late and you also need enough time to drive around and check things out. Far away could be a couple of hours away or many hours away. I am giving LE the benefit of doubt and speculating that they did not catch this car on any major highway traffic cams so I am guessing a couple of hours away vs another state.

So then where do you go at 2AM? You don't want to go to sleep and miss your opportunity. You go somewhere open all night to get coffee or food and kill some time (pun intended). That's a Denny's/Dunkin/Walmart trip. That is where the good video is/was.

Agreed. However, curious if there was an arrangement made for an overnight accommodation or something? Wasn't it a bit chilly for Texas then? I'd think LE would have already checked cctv at local 24 hour businesses? imo

 

[darkstar105]

One other thought I had, though maybe it is not that important, is that this person may have had 0-4 hours sleep between the time they drove by the house around 2 AM and coming back after 6:50. I wonder how this person was able to stay up or have the energy to shoot, sprint and speed the way they did if they didn’t get that much rest the night before? Is this someone who typically works nights, did they happen to buy any coffee, energy drinks or food nearby and if so, are any of the cameras of nearby vendors or bars on the highways/interstate helpful? Was he or she not expected at work or home in the morning like Liz and Sergio?

Also, I read that investigators believe the killer drove back to make sure Liz was dead and that caused me to wonder about the age, experience and thought process of the killer because unfortunately he or she shot Liz four times throughout her neck, chest and head. Why weren’t the placement of the shots and the severity of her injuries enough to give the shooter assurance? The killer also did not get out of the car so they did not check for a pulse, they didn’t do a sternal rub to see if she could regain consciousness and I can’t speak if they could see the rise and fall of Liz’s chest to indicate if she was breathing but it did turn out that Liz was still alive when the killer drove back so I wonder what the shooter expected to see or hear to make their assessment? Did they expect hear her groaning or calling out for help despite her neck, chest and facial wounds? Did they think she would just get up and walk? And even if they determined she was still alive was it was worth the risk of getting out of the car to shoot more knowing that the shots would be loud and attract attention and that neighbors and witnesses could use that time to zoom in and take pictures of the killer, the license plates and the vehicle? It might be possible they maybe they were just using visual cues to make their assessment or possibly they were taking video or pictures for proof or experiencing feelings of disbelief about what they had just done and had to verify it for themselves but I was just wondering a little bit about this.

Night owl here. I'm 66 and the older I get the more of a night owl I seem to be. I assure you I could shoot someone, sprint away on foot, play 6 sets of tennis, mow the lawn, and catch up on all the cases I'm following on 0-4 hours of sleep and not miss a beat!

 

[darkstar105]

This is definitely an opportunity here- the killer came by at 2am then went somewhere for hours...

In my mind if you are local, you don't need to show up at 2AM to check the place out, you can drive by anytime. People like their sleep and your nosey neighbors notice if you pull out at 2AM. If you live 20 minutes away you get up at 6:00 for a 7:00 murder.

You arrive at 2AM because you're coming from far away and you can't be late and you also need enough time to drive around and check things out. Far away could be a couple of hours away or many hours away. I am giving LE the benefit of doubt and speculating that they did not catch this car on any major highway traffic cams so I am guessing a couple of hours away vs another state.

So then where do you go at 2AM? You don't want to go to sleep and miss your opportunity. You go somewhere open all night to get coffee or food and kill some time (pun intended). That's a Denny's/Dunkin/Walmart trip. That is where the good video is/was.

24-hour casino?

 

[arielilane]

24-hour casino?

Cameras are everywhere in a casino… would have been seen on cctv. Moo

 

[arielilane]

Below is an old post of mine that supports this topic from a different angle.. I wanted to move it here.

For some time , I was thinking about Sergio’s not showing obvious grief and looking motionless when he was at the crime scene. I somehow had got the feeling that his motionlessness may not be becaouse he was involved but rage and anger overtook grief as something dawned on him there . Maybe something he feared for a period happened to his wife and he was shocked and freezed , was afraid of this coming . He had a possible scenario and suspect in his mind there at the crime scene and maybe was blaming himself and anger towards the person in his mind etc.that made him freezed .
After reading that S pointed finger to his father on P.Zahn’s Show maybe the father was whom he suspected from day 1
Just a thought .

Totally. If this person is someone Sergio suspected, as we've learned is the case, then a lot of really confusing behavior by Sergio suddenly makes sense. Actually pretty much everything makes sense. The timing with Sergio leaving for work, the unadvertised garage sale, the awareness of the doorbell cam, all of it. We don't know who pulled the trigger, but boy we have a pretty solid theory on who was behind it. (Moo!)

Moo. I will never understand the amazing human mind and how we all work and respond to events… we all have different ways of dealing with events that are unique to us only and to help us survive.

With that said there are some people that can clearly put tragic events all behind and move forward but then we’re seeing only the surface and not the pain inside.

Curious why he’s not working with LE on what he knows but maybe he did. Of course we only know so much. I’m sure he’s working with LE.
moo

 

[iamnotagolem]

If it was a local who only had access to the vehicle for a short period of time, then driving by at 2am to avoid being recognized or seen makes sense. Maybe they just found out about the garage sale that Thursday, and put the wheels into motion knowing it’d be the best opportunity.

Maybe they waited until 2am to make sure it was late enough that most vehicles on the street would be parked for the night so they’d have their parking spot figured out before they got there. If they’d gone during the evening the day before any number of people in the neighborhood may not be home from work yet and the killer wouldn’t know where they could park.

Once they did the killing they simply drove back to where they borrowed the truck from, got in their own vehicle, got ready for that day and resumed their normal life.

I think the killer specifically didn’t want Liz going on that trip.

 

[KindMind1ofA]

Curious why he’s not working with LE on what he knows but maybe he did. Of course we only k

Right.. my best guess (and like everything else in this case it's totally a guess!) is that he brought it up with investigators the day of the murder, they're pursuing it, and continuing to mention it publicly isn't productive and may be harmful or dangerous.

 

[arielilane]

Maybe they waited until 2am to make sure it was late enough that most vehicles on the street would be parked for the night so they’d have their parking spot figured out before they got there. If they’d gone during the evening the day before any number of people in the neighborhood may not be home from work yet and the killer wouldn’t know where they could park.

BBM
And that they'd be out of camera range. moo

 

[fridaybaker]

Think about it-you drive by at 2am BECAUSE you are from a good distance away, and you have had no prior opportunity to case the location. There is a high degree of likelihood that the killer drove directly to the scene at 2am from wherever they came from, and that the distance they traveled was great enough to prevent them from making multiple trips to both surveille the area and then commit the crime.

Like from Florida maybe??

 

[SnowAngels]

Like from Florida maybe??

Just to further entertain this idea and line of thought. It’s an 18 hour drive from Miami to Houston (of course shorter if you fly). For the suspect to be there at 2 am Friday, they would have had to leave at the latest by 5 or 6 am Thursday morning IF they made the trip by car (assuming 2 hours add on or so for stops for food and fuel.)

I cannot recall- when did S and L start communicating the garage sale to family and friends? If by Wednesday night, that would have been enough time for a Miami-based POI to find out and have a window of time for trip prep. Just thinking….

 

[SnowAngels]

Just to further entertain this idea and line of thought. It’s an 18 hour drive from Miami to Houston (of course shorter if you fly). For the suspect to be there at 2 am Friday, they would have had to leave at the latest by 5 or 6 am Thursday morning IF they made the trip by car (assuming 2 hours add on or so for stops for food and fuel.)

I cannot recall- when did S and L start communicating the garage sale to family and friends? If by Wednesday night, that would have been enough time for a Miami-based POI to find out and have a window of time for trip prep. Just thinking….

Adding on- where did the POI work? They would have been absent that Thursday and Friday

 

[KindMind1ofA]

I cannot recall- when did S and L start communicating the garage sale to family and friends?

From what I've gathered, it was contemplated for several weeks, with the date affirmed earlier that week. This is one aspect (along with the time the signs were set out) that seems oddly unspecific and/or inconsistent from interviews and such.. makes me wonder if it's intentionally unspecific.

 

[Tbone144]

This is definitely an opportunity here- the killer came by at 2am then went somewhere for hours...

In my mind if you are local, you don't need to show up at 2AM to check the place out, you can drive by anytime. People like their sleep and your nosey neighbors notice if you pull out at 2AM. If you live 20 minutes away you get up at 6:00 for a 7:00 murder.

You arrive at 2AM because you're coming from far away and you can't be late and you also need enough time to drive around and check things out. Far away could be a couple of hours away or many hours away. I am giving LE the benefit of doubt and speculating that they did not catch this car on any major highway traffic cams so I am guessing a couple of hours away vs another state.

So then where do you go at 2AM? You don't want to go to sleep and miss your opportunity. You go somewhere open all night to get coffee or food and kill some time (pun intended). That's a Denny's/Dunkin/Walmart trip. That is where the good video is/was.

24-hour casino?

No 24-hour casinos in Houston. Would need to drive an hour to Livingston TX or Louisiana which is couple of hours.

Waffle House, Walmart parking lot for a snooze, any number of truck stops could sleep in the car in and no one would be the wiser. I took a quick nap in a Bucc-ees parking lot once when I couldn’t drive any further. Also slept in a Walgreens parking lot once for a bit.

Can’t imagine a hotel would have been used as there would be receipts. Pay cash for gas for the drive, sleep in truck cab if needed.

I agree you drive by at 2AM for a location you have never been before if you have a tight timeline. I drive by places when I have important meetings before I head to hotel.

IMOO