TX- Jocelyn Nungaray,12 strangled, left under bridge. Houston June 17, 2024

[Trebor5591]

Probably would only get charges reduced for one, if either. The one who didn't speak first, is probably getting the needle. moo

Only one of them strangled her. That's the one who should get the DP, in my opinion. The one who didn't needs to speak up. IMO

 

[mickey2942]

I thought in the Delphi IN case it was considered kidnapping that the guy told the girls to go “down the hill.” Would the same not be true for them saying “come over here under this bridge”? In other words even if they didn’t bind her to get her there why isn’t it still kidnap?

Agreed. Once someone is tied up, or held against their will, it should definitely be considered "kidnapping".

 

[Yuletide]

I thought in the Delphi IN case it was considered kidnapping that the guy told the girls to go “down the hill.” Would the same not be true for them saying “come over here under this bridge”? In other words even if they didn’t bind her to get her there why isn’t it still kidnap?

If she went willingly, I really don’t know.

 

[Yuletide]

I thought in the Delphi IN case it was considered kidnapping that the guy told the girls to go “down the hill.” Would the same not be true for them saying “come over here under this bridge”? In other words even if they didn’t bind her to get her there why isn’t it still kidnap?

In the Delphi case LE heard one of the girls say “ he has a gun”. They didn’t play that part of the audio for the public.

 

[AugustWest]

I thought in the Delphi IN case it was considered kidnapping that the guy told the girls to go “down the hill.” Would the same not be true for them saying “come over here under this bridge”? In other words even if they didn’t bind her to get her there why isn’t it still kidnap?

It is still kidnapping. A victim under the age of 14 is restrained by "any means, including acquiescence of the victim..."

Texas Kidnapping Statute: PENAL CODE CHAPTER 20. KIDNAPPING, UNLAWFUL RESTRAINT, ANDSMUGGLING OF PERSONS

 

[Chimera]

I am wondering if this vile pair had other crimes in their past ?
Considering the brutality of what happened to poor Jocelyn.
May justice be swift !!!
Omo.

 

[PrairieWind]

If she went willingly, I really don’t know.

What is willingly? Did she really want to go under that bridge with these two men? Of course not. Did she want to stay there two hours? No. She apparently bit one of them, so presumably she was trying to escape but not free to do so. You don't have to tie someone up or point a gun at them to kidnap them.

 

[PrairieWind]

Only one of them strangled her. That's the one who should get the DP, in my opinion. The one who didn't needs to speak up. IMO

Well it only takes one to strangle a 12 year old. They both participated in getting her to that point, abducting her and holding her assaulting her. I don't think it makes any difference which one actually killed her, they are both responsible. If one had really wanted to save her, they could have done so. He could have grabbed the other and told the girl to run. But he didn't do that. They are both equally liable for her death. The DA has ample evidence and so i don't think it is really even necessary to give one a deal to testify against the other.

 

[Yuletide]

What is willingly? Did she really want to go under that bridge with these two men? Of course not. Did she want to stay there two hours? No. She apparently bit one of them, so presumably she was trying to escape but not free to do so. You don't have to tie someone up or point a gun at them to kidnap them.

None of us know what those two evil beings said to get her to go with them. I believe I read that LE stated there was additional recording footage they located aside from the Circle K footage that showed the three of them walking to the bridge and then two hours later only the two men emerged. I concluded that they would have said they drug her or forced her under the bridge if she had not gone willingly. Instead LE said they lured her. From that I concluded that they tricked her and somehow earned her trust. It is sickening. And of course I would never believe that she wanted to go under the bridge and stay for two hours and be subjected to what she went through. I think she didn’t recognize the danger she was in until under the cover of the bridge. Those creeps tricked her. Pure evil

 

[dm799]

They aren't migrants. They're illegals. Wish DM would get that fact straight.

Not to defend the hate rag that is the DM, but they literally are migrants.

 

[mickey2942]

Well it only takes one to strangle a 12 year old. They both participated in getting her to that point, abducting her and holding her assaulting her. I don't think it makes any difference which one actually killed her, they are both responsible. If one had really wanted to save her, they could have done so. He could have grabbed the other and told the girl to run. But he didn't do that. They are both equally liable for her death. The DA has ample evidence and so i don't think it is really even necessary to give one a deal to testify against the other.

There was a case in Nevada, in which one person was the perpetrator, the other one just watched. The one who watched the rape and killing was not charged. They couldn't find any law that he broke at that time to charge him with.

In Strohmeyer case, ‘bad Samaritan’ David Cash led to new law

While little Sherrice Iverson’s death 20 years ago was heinous, and Jeremy Strohmeyer’s confession was chilling, a third player in the high-profile case proved controversial: David Cash...

www.reviewjournal.com

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Not to defend the hate rag that is the DM, but they literally are migrants.

don't migrants work as laborers?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

don't migrants work as laborers?

Where were these two working being out at 2a.m.?

The D.M. could split the difference and call them illegal migrant workers, if indeed they were working.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

There was a case in Nevada, in which one person was the perpetrator, the other one just watched. The one who watched the rape and killing was not charged. They couldn't find any law that he broke at that time to charge him with.

In Strohmeyer case, ‘bad Samaritan’ David Cash led to new law

While little Sherrice Iverson’s death 20 years ago was heinous, and Jeremy Strohmeyer’s confession was chilling, a third player in the high-profile case proved controversial: David Cash...

www.reviewjournal.com

Have they changed that law since?

 

[mickey2942]

Have they changed that law since?

Yes. In the article I posted, it is a crime to watch any Criminal act against a child and not report it. California has a similar law.

Disgusting, isn't it? That there needs to actually be a law that people are required to report seeing a crime perpetrated on a child?!

 

[Bounceycat]

Where were these two working being out at 2a.m.?

The D.M. could split the difference and call them illegal migrant workers, if indeed they were working.

It was reported they worked in construction, as they'd asked their boss for money to try to skip town.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Where were these two working being out at 2a.m.?

The D.M. could split the difference and call them illegal migrant workers, if indeed they were working.

Why is that important? The case is the case regardless. They're literally migrants, so the DM didn't get it wrong.

 

[JoeFromLB]

Jocelyn's obituary. Her funeral is tomorrow.

https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/houston-tx/jocelyn-nungaray-11869254

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

I believe the charges will come. I also believe she initially went with them willingly because they said something to make her feel safe like “ let’s get you home safe”. I think by the time she became terrified, it was too late. She trusted them enough not to create a scene at the store and to walk away with them. That is not her fault. It is theirs. In my opinion, the bite and scratch marks are solid evidence, but am assuming creepo explained those away somehow. I don’t think her being bound is irrelevant. ( my opinion only). Kidnapping is specific. Strangulation may not constitute a kidnapping charge in the eyes of the law. Once again. Strictly my opinion. However, I have faith in the evidence. These two men need to pay the ultimate price for their evil acts.

I don't have the link, so JMO.
I read earlier that an employee from Seven-Eleven saw her hiding behind the 'storage unit' or some external building when he left work. He recognized her as a regular customer.
Does anyone have a timeline link? I'm sure it was near midnight when he saw her hiding.

ETA: I found it, it was actually you @Yuletide who said you had read it on Houston local news
TX- Jocelyn Nungaray,12 strangled, left under bridge. Houston June 17, 2024
He saw her hiding at 11:30pm, when he was leaving. She entered the store , left alone then returned later with the two males at 12:58am , then left with them.

So who was she hiding from at 11:30pm?

 

[katydid23]

" 'Murderer!’ ​

Jocelyn Nungaray’s family​

lashes out ​

during second accused killer’s first court appearance.​

His defense attorneys meanwhile claimed Martinez-Rangel does not have a previous criminal history
and has two children, ages 5 and 2,

WHO CARES if he has children or if he has previous criminal history?

Being a father does nothing to mitigate a rape and murder of a child. IMO

And a 'clean' criminal history means nothing if you then commit a brutal and violent murder. IMO

but it’s unclear if they live in Houston or in Venezuela.

Again, who cares.

However,
he does have family here and was requesting to have his bond lowered.

Disgusting to worry about his family now---how about thinking of them before kidnapping a child?

A judge gave him a $10 million bond.

As Martinez-Rangel was escorted out of court,
one of Jocelyn’s family members shouted
'Murderer'
and
'I hope they kill your children'
in Spanish.
......

During a press conference Monday,
Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg said the current charges they face
do not make them eligible for the death penalty.

'Our laws treat the age of victims differently,
and they’ve changed where they draw the line',
she explained.

'[It] used to be children under six.
If they were murdered,
that created an underlying offense that would support death penalty and capital murder.

That law was expanded to 10 years old and under,
and then further expanded from 10 to 15.

If the victim was 10 to 15 years old,
yet the death penalty was taken off the table by the legislature,
and instead they suggested that life without parole would be the appropriate charge.

But age is not the only consideration in this case or any case,
the underlying actions of the criminals.

This victim was found,
you know, bound and without clothing from the waist down in the water.
And we just think that there’s a good possibility.

We hope that there’s evidence that remains to be tested'."

‘Murderer!’ Jocelyn Nungaray’s family lashes out at second Venezuelan man accused of killing Houston girl

During Johan Jose Martínez Rangel's first court appearance, prosecutors also claimed he initially denied doing anything but it was later revealed he tied the 12-year-old's legs and told Franklin Pena to dump her body in the water.

www.click2houston.com