TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 - #4

[kettlecorn]

somewhat

 

[Lineman]

somewhat

Could you provide any insight on Trlicia and Wilson activity 14 days prior to the event ?’
I asked some very direct questions in a previous post

 

[Lineman]

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Ok. I simply can’t grasp the concept that this was the FW mafia, a cult thingy, or men from Mars.
If we stick to standard investigative procedures, the FW PD investigated this case initially for what it appeared. An MP case. I am sure they performed all the preliminary notifications and basic investigation at the Mall. The next morning the letter arrives. This confirms their earlier belief.

Most missing juvenile cases are usually run-a-ways. I read people criticizing the PD but any other agency would have proceeded the same way back in 1974.

Since access to the PD case file would never be revealed to anyone except law enforcement, it leaves many to criticize the agency and develop their own theories. Over time, a story repeated several times will become fact to those not on the inside.
The police cannot and will not go out and investigate any unsubstantiated claim. If they did the police would be putting divers into every lake within 50 miles. Imagine all the tips and theories called into the police department from all over the country.

Bodies dumped in lakes,’oil wells, under bridges etc. in order to investigate all those stories . It would take a team of 100 police officers working full time.
Yes, I would like to see that for every MP case or homicide . In reality , it is not going to happen.

 

[just-juju]

Nor do I think anyone here expects it to.

 

[kettlecorn]

I know that even today the first 24 hours are treated as runaways unless signs of foul play are apparent. I'm sure FWPD did what they were trained to do.
The missing car has already been proved to be a theory gone wild. With the facts Pd have I am sure they have worked this case.

 

[just-juju]

I really think LE did every thing they could. But in those days there was not a lot of investigative tools. They could only do so much and if they ran up against a wall of lies, what else could they do?

 

[johnbelt]

I have never seen 50 persons names however , people will speculate on the evidence available. I can guarantee that the FWPD has several facts, locations and maybe a suspect or two that haven’t been mentioned on this page .

Remember the Police have information. That is not available to the general public .

Ok maybe 50 is a stretch but between news articles,this thread and facebook it seems 50 is a good

They went Christmas shopping and never came home. 4 decades later, he’s still searchingView attachment 155913

That might be the worst article ever written.IMO.

 

[johnbelt]

I still have difficulty absorbing the theory that a lone gun man could possibly force 3 young girls into a car, in the middle of the day in a crowded parking lot?

Young people are different than adults when confronted with a hand gun. They would be most likely run in different direction not submit and put their hand up.

As to the theory that there were multiple bad guys?

I doubt it . Highly unlikely that a serial killer would share their prize. In addition, if you are committing a crime the best way to ensure its secrecy is NOT to have accomplices.

I am sure that FWPD deduced this as well even back in 1974.

I agree 100%.The only they go off that mall property is willingly.

 

[Lineman]

Let ne switch gears for a moment.

I have read in previous threads and/or articles that the vehicle that Rachel was operating, there were assorted savings bonds and a will in the glove box.
Can anyone confirm this ?

 

[johnbelt]

Ok. I simply can’t grasp the concept that this was the FW mafia, a cult thingy, or men from Mars.
If we stick to standard investigative procedures, the FW PD investigated this case initially for what it appeared. An MP case. I am sure they performed all the preliminary notifications and basic investigation at the Mall. The next morning the letter arrives. This confirms their earlier belief.

Most missing juvenile cases are usually run-a-ways. I read people criticizing the PD but any other agency would have proceeded the same way back in 1974.

Since access to the PD case file would never be revealed to anyone except law enforcement, it leaves many to criticize the agency and develop their own theories. Over time, a story repeated several times will become fact to those not on the inside.
The police cannot and will not go out and investigate any unsubstantiated claim. If they did the police would be putting divers into every lake within 50 miles. Imagine all the tips and theories called into the police department from all over the country.

Bodies dumped in lakes,’oil wells, under bridges etc. in order to investigate all those stories . It would take a team of 100 police officers working full time.
Yes, I would like to see that for every MP case or homicide . In reality , it is not going to happen.

Do to Julie's age should it not have been atleast treated as the older girls kidnapped her?

 

[Cowtown Rock]

I firmly believe that LE knows exactly who was involved but it wasn't immediate and because of being lied to by one of the four families it greatly hampered things early on. Because now you can read back on different interviews and the like and it's like where's Waldo. Oh he was at work, he was too sick to leave the house, he was at the parking lot that night but the ones who were known to be at the parking lot say he wasn't. It's ridiculous. Problem is they can't prove it. Family still won't be truthful about it so...... stuck. Four decades later doubtful they will ever talk.

 

[johnbelt]

I firmly believe that LE knows exactly who was involved but it wasn't immediate and because of being lied to by one of the four families it greatly hampered things early on. Because now you can read back on different interviews and the like and it's like where's Waldo. Oh he was at work, he was too sick to leave the house, he was at the parking lot that night but the ones who were known to be at the parking lot say he wasn't. It's ridiculous. Problem is they can't prove it. Family still won't be truthful about it so...... stuck. Four decades later doubtful they will ever talk.

Love it,But it won't be up long here.

 

[Lineman]

I firmly believe that LE knows exactly who was involved but it wasn't immediate and because of being lied to by one of the four families it greatly hampered things early on. Because now you can read back on different interviews and the like and it's like where's Waldo. Oh he was at work, he was too sick to leave the house, he was at the parking lot that night but the ones who were known to be at the parking lot say he wasn't. It's ridiculous. Problem is they can't prove it. Family still won't be truthful about it so...... stuck. Four decades later doubtful they will ever talk.

Good observation. Again, background info on those directly and indirectly related to the case would be most helpful.

Another issue besides the savings bonds/will being left in glove box is:

How does a security guard make an observation of theee girls with another security truck at 11:00 PM and does not shoot yo a flare to PD immediately ?

The mall is filled with family memebers going store to store asking for info in the girls, men stand wTch over the vehicle since 4:00 PM, the police have come and gone from the Mall. It appears everyone working st the Mall knows about the missing girls EXCEPT this line security guard who used to be a LEO?

No way

 

[just-juju]

I don't trust any of the so called "mall sightings". I'm not 100% convinced they were at the mall that day. I'm leaning more toward something happened to them before that.

 

[Lineman]

I don't trust any of the so called "mall sightings". I'm not 100% convinced they were at the mall that day. I'm leaning more toward something happened to them before that.

Or....... unbeknownst to anyone else, a planned meeting was scheduled in the parking lot or just before the girls arrived? Possible detour before or after the Army/Navy Store perhaps ? Someone else joined the girls and was in the car?

 

[just-juju]

Or....... unbeknownst to anyone else, a planned meeting was scheduled in the parking lot or just before the girls arrived? Possible detour before or after the Army/Navy Store perhaps ? Someone else joined the girls and was in the car?

Entirely possible. That falls back into the not knowing anything about the who, when, and where of the previous days. And there is always the question of the elusive DJ Sam.

 

[Ozoner]

Is it possible that Rachel invited her mother to go shopping after the girls had been to the army/navy store? Is it thought that Rachel already had the other girls with her (even if they were out in the car) when she allegedly stopped by her parents' house in order to invite her mother shopping?

 

[kettlecorn]

I sent a message to hopefully find out some kind of timeline for verifying insiders

 

[just-juju]

Theory:

I think the girls left to go shopping. They went to Army Navy and then I think they made another stop, maybe to invite someone else or whatever. I think they walked in on something they were not suppose to see. I think that maybe Rachel being newly married and outspoken said she was going to talk. They had to go. I don't think they ever left the house/place they were. I think the car was then drove to SS and parked. I think the letter was to point people away from the actual scene and to give the perps time to clean up. No stranger danger. No serial killers and no TT.

Also, women kill, it might not be a guy.

 

[Cowtown Rock]

It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to get people verified.