TX TX - Madisonville, UnkFem 2-6, UP15905, feeding tube, in suitcase, clothes, blankets, Sep'16

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LizzyE said:
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The initial tube placement was not with a MIC-KEY button which is low profile (sits flush with my abdomen), but with a higher profile tube that extended several inches outside of my body. Once healed, the initial tube was exchanged with MIC-KEY button but was ordered personally for me by my GI surgeon. It wasn’t something that the hospital had “on hand,” I actually had to wait 3’ish weeks after the order was placed for the company to supply what was needed. Although it wasn’t personally manufactured for me, the hospital placed a special order which is part of what gives me a glimmer of hope that somehow, this may be a part of the puzzle that can help give this girl her name back. Sorry for the long personal, anecdotal story. I am not a surgeon or a geneticist, so all I can offer is from my own experience.
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Your personal experience and insight is much appreciated! Even with equipment/parts/supplies etc. that’s on hand, I’ve often had to sign a form for billing, confirming I’m receiving that specific item and they will bill my insurance for it, and I’ll be responsible for whatever they don’t cover. There are so many steps between a patient needing an item and a patient receiving it that I, too, have to hope there’s a clue there to be uncovered. I don’t think LE would have provided details of the tube (1.2 cm with inscription aa4069f02), either if they didn’t think there was a chance it could help identify her. In fact…
Investigators had hoped her feeding tube would lead them to answers but they say there’s not enough information to trace it.
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Perhaps it’s not enough information on its own, and LE can’t trace it, but what if someone in the department that ordered it can (or can rule out their department as the one that ordered it)? It’s a long shot and a lot to hope for from already overworked and understaffed hospitals, but I want to believe there’s a way.
 
LizzyE said:
Thank you very much for the warm welcome. Lots of great info you provided too, much appreciated!

This is my experience only, so this may or may not apply to this child. I had my initial j-tube inserted at a major hospital in a large city. I personally had it done under general anesthesia, however the procedure can also be performed using local anesthetic in the interventional radiology department. The initial tube placement was not with a MIC-KEY button which is low profile (sits flush with my abdomen), but with a higher profile tube that extended several inches outside of my body. Once healed, the initial tube was exchanged with MIC-KEY button but was ordered personally for me by my GI surgeon. It wasn’t something that the hospital had “on hand,” I actually had to wait 3’ish weeks after the order was placed for the company to supply what was needed. Although it wasn’t personally manufactured for me, the hospital placed a special order which is part of what gives me a glimmer of hope that somehow, this may be a part of the puzzle that can help give this girl her name back. Sorry for the long personal, anecdotal story. I am not a surgeon or a geneticist, so all I can offer is from my own experience.
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I am also chronically ill and think that these kind of anecdotes are actually really helpful!
If hospitals in AZ or NM or perhaps southern CA would be able to look in their records to see if this was something they had done at some point, that might be our key here. Perhaps Identifinders or LE would be able to put out some sort of press release targeting hospitals or medical records companies to see if this is something they would be able to find.
Unfortunately I have a hypothesis that this sweet girl could have received out of state care at a larger hospital more equipped to treat her medical conditions, and that hospital may just think that she went back to her local doctors… whereas in reality she ended up in an unimaginable situation. I have to go to another city about two hours from where I live for primary care because the health system in the small town I grew up in can’t handle the complexity of some of my issues. Prior to getting a second opinion and referrals to specialists with my current provider, I had to have my records transferred over to the health system he is in by my previous provider and tell the old doctor I am no longer receiving care in that system. I am unsure whether or not the old doctor/health system still have access to my records, but I have a feeling that whoever is responsible for this little girl’s death did something similar to throw authorities and questions off their path.
 
'Suitcase girl' still unidentified 5 years later, may be from AZ | 12news.com

Investigators are hopeful someone in southern Arizona might remember seeing a young girl whose skeletal remains were later found in a suitcase along a Texas highway.

TEXAS, USA — Five years after a young girl was found dead inside a suitcase along a Texas highway, her death is still an unsolved mystery.

Detectives have little to go on, but they do believe the girl could have been from an area in southeastern Arizona.

“Somebody is going to remember seeing a small child that had medical issues,” he said. “They’re going to know that approximately 5 ½ years ago, she went missing.”
 
Well, if this child is a New Mexican, Carrie Tingley would most likely hold her records:

UNM Carrie Tingley Hospital Outpatient Services | Albuquerque, New Mexico

Might be in a tribal health system or BIA health?

@othram is looking into her situation. Early DNA information might point to a tribal health system of BIA health?

But -- I am afraid that records retention practices might mean there is no longer a trace of her anywhere. I suppose if the records were scanned or microfilmed there is hope?

What year did electronic & portable records come into play? Within this little one's lifetime, or after?

jmho ymmv lrr
 
EMRs were pretty standard by 2016, even in outpatient care. When I last worked in a hospital (around 2004) we had all demographic, diagnostic, billing codes, and insurance information computerized even though we did paper charting.

There should be computerized records out there somewhere with at least this basic information. I'd think that the BIA would have had some sort of electronic records, even if they were taken from paper copies at rural locations and inputted (is that even a word?) at a larger facility. Being federal, I would think that their recordkeeping would be pretty stringent.
 
Laughing said:
Well, if this child is a New Mexican, Carrie Tingley would most likely hold her records:

UNM Carrie Tingley Hospital Outpatient Services | Albuquerque, New Mexico

Might be in a tribal health system or BIA health?

@othram is looking into her situation. Early DNA information might point to a tribal health system of BIA health?

But -- I am afraid that records retention practices might mean there is no longer a trace of her anywhere. I suppose if the records were scanned or microfilmed there is hope?

What year did electronic & portable records come into play? Within this little one's lifetime, or after?

jmho ymmv lrr
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If she was from NM, UNM has the only geneticists in the state, so if she was assessed by genetics, they should have her records. Speaking from experience only (YMMV, etc), they keep records for a long time—at least a decade. In 2015, I requested ten years of my UNM and Carrie Tingly records, and the only difficulty was how much paper was required to print them all.

BTW—both the outpatient children’s hospital and the inpatient children’s floor at UNM are referred to as Carrie Tingley, which can be a bit confusing at times. Both are part of the UNM hospital system and the same record system, though.

Both also have Child Life specialists who often assist kids before and during procedures, tests, etc., to make it less traumatic. Regardless of what speciality she saw (since we don’t know what other conditions she may have had), if she had procedures at either, there’s a good chance Child Life met with her. They get down on the kids’ level and connect with them in a way doctors and nurses don’t always have the time to. They see a lot of faces, but if anyone would remember hers, I’d put my money on Child Life. JMOO
 
Anecdotally, in NM, children with complex or rare conditions are often referred to UNM, but UNM sometimes has to refer out even further away. I know multiple people from central NM with GI conditions that were referred to CO for their surgical consults. Apparently they’ve got more specialized GI specialists. It’s also not unheard of for a child to be referred out to Mayo Clinic in AZ if there’s a complex or rare condition involved. JMOO, I’m not a doctor
 
@SunnyTurtle , you know more than I do! My family is New Mexican, but I have no direct experience with this & am glad for your report. Specifically about records retention!

(The hospital where my Granddaddy died in the 1960's is now a Drury Inn. I'm serious.)

We were a Shrine Hospital family, and the Shriners will sometimes send kids to another hospital for appropriate services.

jmho ymmv lrr
 
Melt71 said:
Identifinders notes say "Our initial genetic analysis shows that the child has strong ancestral ties to El Salvador as well as Nuevo Leon, Mexico." identifinders.com/unidentified-infant-up15905/
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Oooohhhh -- was the family trying to reach medical care in the US?

Or an international adoptee? I know two teenagers born in Guatemala, which has suspended international adoptions AFAIK.

Still, sad for this little girl & still a fan of her Sheriff!

jmho ymmv lrr
 
Laughing said:
Well, if this child is a New Mexican, Carrie Tingley would most likely hold her records:

UNM Carrie Tingley Hospital Outpatient Services | Albuquerque, New Mexico

Might be in a tribal health system or BIA health?

@othram is looking into her situation. Early DNA information might point to a tribal health system of BIA health?

But -- I am afraid that records retention practices might mean there is no longer a trace of her anywhere. I suppose if the records were scanned or microfilmed there is hope?

What year did electronic & portable records come into play? Within this little one's lifetime, or after?

jmho ymmv lrr
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BBM. I remember electronic records first starting in my area which seemed to be behind the times in about 2011.
 
Alot of of people in the US have ties to Nuevo Leon, MX

However, what is the definition of "strong" and how much of a tie?
Many came to the US during the Mexican Revolution. However, like Ventura County Jane Doe, there might be endogamy and tracing an actual family is overwhelming.
I don't know how many people in Mexico actually do DNA as a hobby.

We don't know if she is 1/2 Mexican and 1/2 Salvadoran or whatever.

Ventura County Jane Doe has Mexican DNA: However, she could be from either Mexico or the US...
VCJD was pregnant and the father of the child is from Choluteca, Honduras and they even have the father's surname pretty much pinned down.
 
Friday Fan said:
Alot of of people in the US have ties to Nuevo Leon, MX

However, what is the definition of "strong" and how much of a tie?
Many came to the US during the Mexican Revolution. However, like Ventura County Jane Doe, there might be endogamy and tracing an actual family is overwhelming.
I don't know how many people in Mexico actually do DNA as a hobby.

We don't know if she is 1/2 Mexican and 1/2 Salvadoran or whatever.

Ventura County Jane Doe has Mexican DNA: However, she could be from either Mexico or the US...
VCJD was pregnant and the father of the child is from Choluteca, Honduras and they even have the father's surname pretty much pinned down.
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i would say especially in southern texas and NM. it borders southern texas.

california has a lot of folx from michoacan and jalisco in my experience.
 
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