Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 #2 *arrests*

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lonewanderer said:
More than likely, he was just a suspect. I don't see it likely to have all suspects surrounded at all times. There are also junior enlisted soldiers who live off post, be it because they are married, are paying for an apartment out of their own pocket, have a deal with a friend, etc.

If I had to guess, I would say he was coming on post and the MPs wanted to apprehend him when he was pulling into the gate, showing them his card. (He could have also lived in the barracks, and had just been returning from a trip into town) This is when he "cheesed it" and ran from post as fast as he could (they can't just chase him off post as MPs) and found a place to end his life.

Pure speculation, but I think its the most likely scenario.
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I know every branch is different, but Air Force cops have jurisdiction to chase a suspect from base into the city. So I’m sure they did do a chase. It was obviously dark at that time. But I mean come on. It was already known he should’ve been a high suspect due to the allegations, and suspicious activity of her getting called in. I guess my thinking is different. I just would assume they would have people watching his every move. In the Andreen McDonald case, they were parked outside his house everyday until her body was found. :( I know it’s different. I just would’ve imagined they would’ve been tailing him. Just a thought.
 
lonewanderer said:
More than likely, he was just a suspect. I don't see it likely to have all suspects surrounded at all times. There are also junior enlisted soldiers who live off post, be it because they are married, are paying for an apartment out of their own pocket, have a deal with a friend, etc.

If I had to guess, I would say he was coming on post and the MPs wanted to apprehend him when he was pulling into the gate, showing them his card. (He could have also lived in the barracks, and had just been returning from a trip into town) This is when he "cheesed it" and ran from post as fast as he could (they can't just chase him off post as MPs) and found a place to end his life.

Pure speculation, but I think its the most likely scenario.
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I will just say they once pulled a Senior NCO (suspect) out of BNOC and the other (suspect) from his wife in housing and moved them into the barracks while conducting an investigation...And that was at Ft. Hood. And, they deployed while (living in the barracks) because the investigation was ongoing. To make a long story short.
 
Inquisitive2018 said:
You all are so condescending here to folks who don't post much. I am aware who he is and what he himself has gone through. I asked a question, I actually got my answer later on I just did not edit my post. I still think he should not have said that to the media since he practically said it's her pending ID and since he has credibility the media will run with it, and headlined as they feel. He is above criticism?
We are all lay folks how many cases have any on this forum solved here? Just take facts from MSM and make guesses. Moooooooo
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Welcome to WS lol no In all fairness, I understand your thoughts. I had honestly never heard of him, because I’m still new to this. But after reading up on him, He’s very respectable. I get your point. But he may have had clear evidence that he discussed with mom. We don’t know. I think he just wanted to let the public know before other speculations were made. Who knows. In the end, it matters that she was found. :(
 
MassGuy said:
They just don’t think that far ahead. If they do, they think they can get away with it.

TES was searching specific areas, and I think it’s probable that CID told them where to look, based on evidence regarding the movements of a potential suspect.

If true, the body was the missing piece. The timing of this could be a coincidence, but I don’t think so.

The location makes it more likely that it’s related to the Morales murder, but the timing makes it more likely it’s a suspect in Vanessa’s case.

So the edge goes to Vanessa, if it is related to either of them at all. I’m not a fan of coincidences, at least here.
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Yes. When was the other soldier found dead? The timing suggests it’s connected to Vanessa for sure.
 
gitana1 said:
So this was in an area previously searched? And just partial remains?

This is the second person found dead off base, recently, right?

I feel for her mother. Terrible news.
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Yes, it is the same area they had previously searched where they found some items connected to Vanessa. They missed it the first time.

It is about twenty miles (according to another post) from the location where the remains of Morales and other unknown remains were found.
 
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Inquisitive2018 said:
You all are so condescending here to folks who don't post much. I am aware who he is and what he himself has gone through. I asked a question, I actually got my answer later on I just did not edit my post. I still think he should not have said that to the media since he practically said it's her pending ID and since he has credibility the media will run with it, and headlined as they feel. He is above criticism? The family is clearly not wanting people to think it's her unless its confirmed, they made that pretty clear on social media.
We are all lay folks, how many cases have any of you on this forum solved ? Are you a detective? Just take facts from MSM and make guesses. Moooooooo.[/QU
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Inquisitive2018 said:
You all are so condescending here to folks who don't post much. I am aware who he is and what he himself has gone through. I asked a question, I actually got my answer later on I just did not edit my post. I still think he should not have said that to the media since he practically said it's her pending ID and since he has credibility the media will run with it, and headlined as they feel. He is above criticism? The family is clearly not wanting people to think it's her unless its confirmed, they made that pretty clear on social media.
We are all lay folks, how many cases have any of you on this forum solved ? Are you a detective? Just take facts from MSM and make guesses. Moooooooo.
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Everyone here from what I can tell have their own opinion as I just recently joined this forum. But to suggest 'You All' are condescending refers to everyone here. Really makes you no better than anyone else here. JMO
 
Inquisitive2018 said:
You all are so condescending here to folks who don't post much. I am aware who he is and what he himself has gone through. I asked a question, I actually got my answer later on I just did not edit my post. I still think he should not have said that to the media since he practically said it's her pending ID and since he has credibility the media will run with it, and headlined as they feel. He is above criticism? The family is clearly not wanting people to think it's her unless its confirmed, they made that pretty clear on social media.
We are all lay folks, how many cases have any of you on this forum solved ? Are you a detective? Just take facts from MSM and make guesses. Moooooooo.
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Tim Miller is a hero to us on Websleuths so people can get pretty defensive about him. And in a situation like this, emotions can run high!
 
MsBetsy said:
Yes, it is the same area they had previously searched where the found some items connected to Vanessa. They missed it the first time.

It is about twenty miles (according to another post) from the location where the remains of Morales and other unknown remains were found.
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Interesting. Thanks for bringing me up to speed.

I guess with a base that size there’s bound to be a lot of incidents that occur.

I read some think this was a group of people? Anything to suggest that?

It’s unusual. It’s usually just one perp in these cases but I haven’t been following closely. Please forgive me for jumping in uneducated!
 
Inquisitive2018 said:
You all are so condescending here to folks who don't post much. I am aware who he is and what he himself has gone through. I asked a question, I actually got my answer later on I just did not edit my post. I still think he should not have said that to the media since he practically said it's her pending ID and since he has credibility the media will run with it, and headlined as they feel. He is above criticism? The family is clearly not wanting people to think it's her unless its confirmed, they made that pretty clear on social media.
We are all lay folks, how many cases have any of you on this forum solved ? Are you a detective? Just take facts from MSM and make guesses. Moooooooo.
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In all fairness, I don't t believe Dixie was trying to be condescending. She was merely trying to answer your question as to weather Tim spoke to the family first. Had you read the article, you would have known. She was trying to help answer your question. But thanks for asking!!!
 
oviedo said:
Family Of Missing Fort Hood Soldier Vanessa Guillen To Hold Press Conference In Washington, D.C.

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Guillen’s family attorney, Natalie Khawam, told CBS News investigators told the family they believe the remains are Vanessa’s but that a forensics team needs to confirm it.

The soldier’s family is calling for an independent investigation into her disappearance. At a previous press conference outside Fort Hood Vanessa’s sister, Lupe Guillen, said, “She was being sexually harassed on base, which is unacceptable because she was supposed to be safe while working and protecting the country we live in.”

Fort Hood has launched an investigation into the allegations, but so far Army investigators say they have no credible reports that Guillen was sexually assaulted.

Domingo Garcia, the national president of the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), said, “Their own people are investigating their own people basically, and that creates an inherent conflict of interest.”
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BBM:

Such an incredibly ignorant statement by Garcia there.

It's like saying that local LEAs can't investigate crimes in their patch because they're "investigating their own people."

Sure! Let's have outside agencies come in any time a crime happens in a local area.

Because it's, y'know, a real conflict of interest for people who are hired specifically to maintain law and order in that area to actually do their jobs.

Brilliant.

JMO.
 
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Hi, I know the circumstances are different in this case but after reading about it I can’t shake it off. I think this woman was murdered as well, and I think there is a cover up involved despite the slant of the article. Killing soldiers in this area seems to be the culture IMO: Police baffled by notion woman planned her murder


“The woman, who stood 5 feet tall and weighed 100 pounds, was lying on her stomach with her face pressed into a muddy field off the 6600 block of South Gessner. Her hands, bound tightly behind her back with a draw string, showed no defensive wounds. Blood covered her face.

Police believe she may have been killed somewhere else early that morning and carried into the field. Though the tract was muddy and the grass had recently been cut, the soles of her Nike running shoes were clean.”

watching the press conference with VG’s sister had my heart hurting. They are suffering so much I can feel it through the screen. They deserve justice.
 
irridescentmoon said:
I know every branch is different, but Air Force cops have jurisdiction to chase a suspect from base into the city. So I’m sure they did do a chase. It was obviously dark at that time. But I mean come on. It was already known he should’ve been a high suspect due to the allegations, and suspicious activity of her getting called in. I guess my thinking is different. I just would assume they would have people watching his every move. In the Andreen McDonald case, they were parked outside his house everyday until her body was found. :( I know it’s different. I just would’ve imagined they would’ve been tailing him. Just a thought.
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Also, many of the Army (in particular) posts have civilian agencies that do the base security for check-ins, which may have really limited their resources for giving chase. I can't imagine, ever, that Army MPs would hop in their cars and chase him off post, much less someone like "Pond Security".

When I was stationed stateside, I could totally see someone running off post and not being pursued by the MPs. In that case, the local authorities would be alerted, etc. I honestly just cannot picture MP vehicles giving chase to a runaway car or person on the busy highway immediately outside Fort Campbell (in particular). Talk about civilian protests, lawsuits, political drama aftermath, etc.

Speaking of, I think that a major factor for particular parts of this case is the current political climate. (Nothing to do with race, please don't take it that way) There has been a major uproar against things like facial recognition, apprehension procedures, etc. When I was stationed in the Germany, my children attending DoD schools in 2018. The schools were VERY PC...meaning that children could cuss out teachers and do other very bad things, but merely speak to the principle about their feelings. However, if offensive words (even things as trivial as "stupid" or "dumb" were used) then there was harsh repercussions for being offensive. Anyways, all of this bundled together leads me to belief that any military suspect (regardless of race, gender, etc) must be handled with extreme caution, and the "innocent until guilty" mantra must be highly exhibited.

TL;DR version: I don't think the current MP/security forces for the base have a lot of control or reach off-post and must take a lot of caution now for potential suspects.
 
Inquisitive2018 said:
You all are so condescending here to folks who don't post much. I am aware who he is and what he himself has gone through. I asked a question, I actually got my answer later on I just did not edit my post. I still think he should not have said that to the media since he practically said it's her pending ID and since he has credibility the media will run with it, and headlined as they feel. He is above criticism? The family is clearly not wanting people to think it's her unless its confirmed, they made that pretty clear on social media.
We are all lay folks, how many cases have any of you on this forum solved ? Are you a detective? Just take facts from MSM and make guesses. Moooooooo.
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For what it's worth, I found Dixie's post cringeworthy and condescending as heck. I promise, not all of us "lay folks" on WS are like that. I understand that TM seems to have hero status on here, but that should not mean he is above reproach. All the family wanted was to wait for an official confirmation. I don't understand why TM could not have respected their wishes and held off speaking to the media. JMO
 
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