TX - Police respond to reports of shooter at Santa Fe High School, 18 May 2018

[bluesneakers]

The more you bash the NRA, the stronger they get. :thumb:

As evidenced with today's school massacre?

 

[Hatfield]

Just tuning in to the sad news about another school shooting.

Saw on TV the clip where you hear in background shooting noise.

The noise I heard was a definite shotgun blast. Heard two different shots. Just guessing but it sure sounded like a shotgun to me.

Normally a shotgun out of the box will hold 5 and there is a hunting regulation that usually limits to 3 for duck hunting and some other types of game. The rules require a "plug" to be put in the shotgun which can be removed.

So depending on whether his dad had a plugged shotgun or not then his shotgun would typically hold 3 or 5 shells. If its a normal shotgun which is what I am thinking it may have been.

Point being he would have to keep putting shells in the shotgun. Which is very easy to slip one in. The shotguns typically dont have "clips" like a semi automatic handgun. You just put in the shells into the gun's magazine from the bottom. You can slide one in anytime you want until its full.

 

[scapa]

The more you bash the NRA, the stronger they get. :thumb:

Disagree. As associations with the NRA become bad for business -- and we've certainly seen evidence of that recently -- their influence over legislators will weaken substantially.

 

[CARIIS]

i knew it.

ugh

i have never seen a gun

nor knew anyone who had one

it has been shocking over the last 10 years to discover how many people in this nation have a fondness of them

it just alien to me do parents leave ant poison around

the house

on the coffee table instead of a good book?

or a vase with some flowers

apparently over and over their kids are making bombs

grew up in a large house

give me a break

i would get found out if I am whipping up IUDs in my place of residence

it is silly

we need a couple of parents to be arrested and go to prison

if parents were leaving machetes all over they would be in trouble

noone in my neighborhood left bottles of kerosene about


boxes of ammunition were not hanging around

i had to take tennis lessons and golf lessons

noone in my neighborhood was packing heat to go shoot stuff at the shooting range

;and we are not allowed in this tragedy to forget some moron showed up with a giant flag and a pistol shouting make america great at the scene

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oh my

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[BooBooTheFool]

I will do whatever it takes to keep kids safe. But I don't see how turning our schools into prisons is a viable option.

When I was a teen in the 80's school already felt like an oppressive prison to me. I was kicked out of two schools, went to a continuation school and ended up graduating two years late from night school.

I hated it. And I didn't learn.

Once I went to community college which was open and felt free, I excelled and ultimately went to law school.

The thought of how we are turning schools into actual prisons and treating kids as prisoners all ready to shiv a prison guard, feels like insanity to me.

We need to do better than this. We need to stop glorifying mass murderers. We need to provide our citizens with low cost, high quality health care, including mental health treatment, like every other civilized nation does, instead of having a profit-based system that punishes people for seeking help. And we need to stop melding our national identity with gun ownership and acting like that's not one of the main issues.

And caveat. I am not against gun ownership. I've enjoyed shooting. I am not for a gun ban. But we have a culture problem. We've allowed a lobbying group to link gun possession in the American psyche to faith and guts and liberty. To us against them. That has caused a massive uptick in gun ownership, and an increase in ownership of the types of guns that allow for more mass casualties.

When I was a kid most people bought and had regular old handguns and hunting rifles. Now everyone has to have 9 millimeters and AK-everythings as if they're soldiers or cops.

As a result of this national obsession, there is access to dangerous weapons by mentally disturbed people whose relatives, in past years, might have prevented such access. Today, gun ideology has led to people with a troubled child or other relative, stubbornly refusing to limit access because any common sense limit to access of firearms, even voluntary, is considered the taking of a right or the destruction of identity, nowadays, instead of just common sense.

Maybe we need to start seeing more people losing everything they have in lawsuits from victims' families because they had firearms in the home despite knowing "Johnny" was disturbed.

We need to change our culture. Guns are tools or sporting equipment, not a badge of honor or an emblematic symbol of identity. I wish we could go back to where people used guns to hunt and target practice, not to play soldier, militia man, or monster.

I went to school after Columbine, I was in elementary when it happened. Graduated in 06, my highschool was a prison. Sterile, no posters or writing allowed on walls, no murals. Metal detectors, armed police at the door and at posts.Lock downs, lock down drills, automatic locking doors. Security guards that used forced on students (even female students) that video of the security guard dragging the girl who wouldn't get off her phone across the room and throwing her down...I saw stuff like that. We all did. It was not the open and loving school a "top 20" school should have been.

 

[lonetraveler]

But they don't. They target specific schools that they personally have a close connection to, then they conduct a mass shooting at that school.

In no case that I can remember did any school shooter ever NOT have a personal, direct connection to the school they attacked. Every single time. It's a current student, an expelled student, or a former student (drop out or aged out).

Adam Lanza choose an elementary school with very young children. He murdered twenty children and six others.

 

[BooBooTheFool]

Adam Lanza choose an elementary school with very young children. He murdered twenty children and six others.

Female children at that. He had a problem with women too.

 

[claudianunes]

Adam Lanza choose an elementary school with very young children. He murdered twenty children and six others.

Yes. His mother worked at that school so, it was personal.

 

[enelram]

Adam Lanza choose an elementary school with very young children. He murdered twenty children and six others.

But if I recall, that was the school his mother had volunteered at. So there was a connection.

 

[x_files]

Adam Lanza choose an elementary school with very young children. He murdered twenty children and six others.

He attended it and his mother worked or volunteered at that school, so he did have a connection.

 

[x_files]

I went to school after Columbine, I was in elementary when it happened. Graduated in 06, my highschool was a prison. Sterile, no posters or writing allowed on walls, no murals. Metal detectors, armed police at the door and at posts.Lock downs, lock down drills, automatic locking doors. Security guards that used forced on students (even female students) that video of the security guard dragging the girl who wouldn't get off her phone across the room and throwing her down...I saw stuff like that. We all did. It was not the open and loving school a "top 20" school should have been.

Depressing. How can that enviornment encourage learning?

 

[CARIIS]

I am sorry

if i saw someone

in a heat factor of 103 strolling around in a black trench coat a lot I would think that might be something

if it was 12 degrees maybe

school officials have to take some responsibility

ignoring a black trench coat is problematic

it is not congruent

if anything it is a mental health eval

it is not normative behavior or ok for heat stroke to be strolling around dressed inappropriately

in and of itself it indicates some reality orientation difficulty

parent why are you wearing arctic clothing honey

honey i am concerned about heat stroke

i think you should dress temperature appropriate

darling you can watch some James BOnd movies

this is absurd

honey why do you like that T shirt that says born to kill?

and it seems to be your favorite

why is that

 

[lonetraveler]

Haven't heard yet what type of shotgun was used but there is a possibility it could have been a pump action or semi-automatic shotgun. The article explains also how magazines can also be used to speed up loading and firing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump_action

 

[Hatfield]

JMO
Something that our administrators and government officials are totally ignoring and forgetting about is how these young kids minds are at that age.

I think its an important thing that needs to be put at the forefront of the discussions into why a kid like the one today did the shooting.

The mind and emotional turmoil of a high schooler and junior high schooler is much different than an adults mind. They have intense peer pressure and intense depression at times for lots of kids at that age. As kids grow up and mature then a lot of the stresses that bothered them at their young age ends up dissipating and going away. But at their age it is all there and it really affects some of these kids much more than others. Especially the ones that have parents breaking up or divorced or the ones with little money and they see other kids with all the rich toys that they cant have.

Us adults that are going to try to stop these shootings need to be sure they take into account how these kids think at their age. I think too many times the adult administrators dont appreciate the real and intense physchological things going on in these kids heads that could lead to something like this.

 

[x_files]

I am sorry

if i saw someone

in a heat factor of 103 strolling around in a black trench coat a lot I would think that might be something

if it was 12 degrees maybe

school officials have to take some responsibility

ignoring a black trench coat is problematic

it is not congruent

if anything it is a mental health eval

it is not normative behavior or ok for heat stroke to be strolling around dressed inappropriately

in and of itself it indicates some reality orientation difficulty

parent why are you wearing arctic clothing honey

honey i am concerned about heat stroke

i think you should dress temperature appropriate

darling you can watch some James BOnd movies

this is absurd

honey why do you like that T shirt that says born to kill?

and it seems to be your favorite

why is that

I'd love to know what was said to him about his Boren to Kill tee did he wear it to school often? I'd think that would raise some eyebrows. No dress code?

 

[lonetraveler]

He attended it and his mother worked or volunteered at that school, so he did have a connection.

Sorry, I was under the impression that you meant, attending school there.

 

[flourish]

Oh goodness. The nurse just came into my office to tell me the local high schools are on lockdown because this happened. Ugh. Yet another one. It's never going to end.

 

[enelram]

I'd love to know what was said to him about his Boren to Kill tee did he wear it to school often? I'd think that would raise some eyebrows. No dress code?

It may have been a fairly new T shirt. It showed in his FB on Apr. 30- he said "custom t shirt".

I agree w/ Gitana, we need to start holding parents morally and financially and criminally responsible for what their

kids are doing to cause harm on the public. sort of how you have to insure your car, maybe you need to buy insurance

when you buy a gun. If parents were held criminally responsible for what their kids did, maybe they'd pay more attention to their SM and what the kid was building in the garage. Parents who are so busy working but not
paying attention to their kids are responsible for them. I'd get fined if my dog hurt someone so why not my kid?.

 

[CARIIS]

oh it sounds like he was actually living in a seperate building

thrown out ??

might it indicate a wildly conflicted dynamic ??

 

[Davia18]

This may have been covered and I missed it but what does his father business consist of ?