TX - Police respond to reports of shooter at Santa Fe High School, 18 May 2018

[rosemadderlake]

The last two school shooters who were captured alive, did not seem to be enjoying their infamy at court appearances. They looked like cringing cowards with their heads down and shoulders hunched.

It's the aforethought not the after effect that I'm wondering about. Do they see Columbine as glamorized? Do they feel an impending sense, rush of importance? Recently, especially, with the exception of the LV shooter, in each missed clue there's almost a testing of hate, images posted on SM. And, in this most recent shooting a glaring test in wearing a trench coat in 92 degree weather. It's the run up, combined with the knowledge that such an act goes global.

There a deep psychology going on in shocking the world and one's self. -IMO.

 

[jjenny]

It sure looks like the suspect in this case used Columbine as an inspiration. He also used bombs like in Columbine. Most shooters don't use bombs.

 

[Jennifer17]

It's the aforethought not the after effect that I'm wondering about. Do they see Columbine as glamorized? Do they feel an impending sense, rush of importance? Recently, especially, with the exception of the LV shooter, in each missed clue there's almost a testing of hate, images posted on SM. And, in this most recent shooting a glaring test in wearing a trench coat in 92 degree weather. It's the run up, combined with the knowledge that such an act goes global.

There a deep psychology going on in shocking the world and one's self. -IMO.

I don't think that there is much depth there at all. It looks to me like they think that they are playing a role in a movie or something where they are the hero (that word again) who is dishing out punishment to people that they don't like or feel aggrieved by.

 

[Kapua]

I agree, it has to stop. And yes, you can have airport-like security checks for all schools. But then, what‘s next? Churches, office buildings, grocery stores?

Shot spotter can be implemented city-wide.

The courthouse in my city has security checkpoints - I don't know if you'd characterize them as airport-like, but there are metal detectors and a bag x-ray. (I served on a jury 18 months ago.) To get into my workplace, you have to swipe your badge through a card reader. We can and should make our schools safer.

 

[Jennifer17]

Shot spotter can be implemented city-wide.

The courthouse in my city has security checkpoints - I don't know if you'd characterize them as airport-like, but there are metal detectors and a bag x-ray. (I served on a jury 18 months ago.) To get into my workplace, you have to swipe your badge through a card reader. We can and should make our schools safer.

But that is after shots have been fired and people have been killed.

 

[Truthy]

But, I do think if the gun owner showed say, gross negligence (ignored warning signs of violence, gave instructions on how to handle weapons to somebody with red flags, left weapons unsecured in the vicinity of somebody showing red flags etc,) they should be prosecuted.

Weapons aren’t supposed to ever be left lying around unsecured. It’s scary to think people with guns imagine they’re going to notice “red flags” when it comes to their own kids. Teens often go through some serious upheaval and have some random horrible days where they feel like the world is coming to an end.

Please, we need to do better than be reckless w teens in the house.


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[cybervampira]

Shot spotter can be implemented city-wide.

The courthouse in my city has security checkpoints - I don't know if you'd characterize them as airport-like, but there are metal detectors and a bag x-ray. (I served on a jury 18 months ago.) To get into my workplace, you have to swipe your badge through a card reader. We can and should make our schools safer.

From the article quoted:

Consider Adam Lanza, who killed 26 people at Sandy Hook Elementary School. “They had metal scanners, camera surveillance, perimeter controlled, visitor screening, fencing—you name it,” Stevens says. “The guy still came in, and he managed to overpower those at the entrance and then get on to campus.”

The article also makes suggestions but these don’t seem to be enforceable. Also, smart guns are available, but:

Smart guns are available overseas, but currently no American retailers sell them.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) and other gun rights activists have long expressed concerns about smart guns in large part tied to a 2002 New Jersey law requiring gun retailers to exclusively sell the personalized firearms once the technology is established and marketed.

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...uns-biometric-access-fingerprints-gun-control

Protecting schools requires legislation and politicians who are not impressed by the NRA and gun rights activists. Prayers and round tables without action don‘t work. The freedom gun owners have in the United States basically results in taking away everybody’s freedom.

Liability discussed here should be first priority when it comes to legislation.

 

[Jennifer17]

Freedom to me, means freedom from fear. You can have all the freedoms in the world to buy what you want or say what you want, but when it comes to your children's lives, those freedoms fall by the wayside. No 'freedom' should be put above a child's right to live.

 

[cybervampira]

At Santa Fe High School, police had an active-shooter plan. Then the fog of chaos descended.

While law enforcement officials throughout the country are increasingly sketching out strategies on how they’ll respond to active-shooter scenarios, a spate of recent school shootings — including last week’s incident at a Santa Fe, Texas, high school that left 10 dead and 13 injured — demonstrates that carrying out their plans has limits in the fog of chaos.

Law enforcement officials who are trained under ALERRT — the Texas State University designed program that the FBI considers the national standard for how officers should respond to active shooters — are urged that their first responsibility is to stop the perpetrator of the crime as quickly as possible.

But as last week's tragedy in Texas shows, that's easier said than done.

Police said it took about 30 minutes between when 911 emergency dispatchers received their first call about the incident and when the suspect, 17-year-old Dimitrios Pagourtzis, surrendered to authorities.

[...]

"The question then becomes: Do these policies and training actually reduce risk?"

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...ing-police-active-shooter-strategy/630146002/

 

[margarita25]

May 18 was also the date of another school massacre way back in the day, like black and white photos days, one with the most casualties, iirc. It was mentioned on the news.

I too think he used Columbine as inspiration, CO2 cartirdges, etc.

 

[Jennifer17]

May 18 was also the date of another school massacre way back in the day, like black and white photos days, one with the most casualties, iirc. It was mentioned on the news.

I too think he used Columbine as inspiration, CO2 cartirdges, etc.

So, does that make it any better, that he was a copycat? Does that make it OK?

 

[margarita25]

WS Radio /Tricia had an expert/author on school shootings last year, iirc.

 

[Jennifer17]

WS Radio /Tricia had an expert/author on school shootings last year, iirc.

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All the experts do not seem to be making a difference, though.

 

[cybervampira]

❤️

Fort Collins comfort dog deployed to Santa Fe, Texas after shooting

SANTA FE, Tex. — Dogs bring so much happiness into our lives. And when we need a friend to lean on, they’re always up for the job.

That’s why a Fort Collins golden retriever is in Santa Fe, Texas. Cubby the Comfort Dog has a job to do.

The 4-year-old comfort dog was sent to the community south of Houston after Friday’s school shooting.

Cubby is a pro when it comes to bringing a little bit of peace to the people affected by traumatic events. She was deployed to Parkland after the shooting in Florida.

[...]

Article: https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...dog-deployed-to-santa-fe-texas-after-shooting
Cubby‘s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cubbycomfortdog/posts/2068115296769270

 

[margarita25]

So, does that make it any better, that he was a copycat? Does that make it OK?

Huh? What possibly makes any of this OK?

 

[Jennifer17]

Huh? What possibly makes any of this OK?

I mean, that I feel some people think that he is just being a copycat and there is nothing else behind it. No other reason than being a copycat.

 

[MissUnderstood]

Don’t want to sound naive or silly but, if we leave candy about kids will eat it, even we have said no. if they see a puddle, they jump in it, even we we said it’s too cold you will get sick. if there’s a red button they will push it, even we we said something bad will happen. If they can get a gun they will probably use it!

Consequences of their actions are not in the forefront of their thoughts.

Just moo


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[Dream'r]

bingo hence he is confused comment.
How can he go from singing Another One Bites the Dust to WooHoo! to being confused suddenly.

No excuses, but a manic break with psychotic features? Combined with risk taking and 'shock' value. Some teens have always rebelled and today some of that segment seem to ratchet it up. No longer is drinking, drugs, petty crime enough to satisfy that teen angst in a small few. Now they want to push it to the extreme...school shooter. From my experience, there is a teen phenomenon nowadays to be "edgy"

 

[margarita25]

JJ Watt has volunteered to pay for all the victims' funerals.

NFL star JJ Watt offers to pay for the funerals of Sante Fe High School shooting victims

 

[jjenny]

I mean, that I feel some people think that he is just being a copycat and there is nothing else behind it. No other reason than being a copycat.

There are similarities between Santa Fe shootings and Columbine, that are not seen in most other shootings. But nobody has said that makes it o'key.