TX - Police respond to reports of shooter at Santa Fe High School, 18 May 2018

[dianaelaine59]

Death is an angel sent down from above

sent for the buds of the flowers we love

But every bud and each blossom some day

Will bloom as a flower in the Master's bouquet

Gathering flowers for the Master's bouquet

beautiful flowers that will never decay

Gathered by angels then carried away

forever to bloom in the Master's bouquet

Loved ones are passing each day and each hour

passing away as the life of a flower

Taken and cared for in heaven's own way

forever to bloom in the Master's bouquet

I want to add, in NO way do I think these teens should have been taken SO young, I just wanted to share something soothing.

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[cybervampira]

Alleged Santa Fe HS gunman repeated ‘another one bites the dust’ amid carnage, survivor says

(SANTA FE, Texas) — The gunman who opened fire inside Santa Fe High School in Texas Friday morning allegedly repeated “another one bites the dust” during the carnage, one survivor said this morning.

“He was playing music, making jokes, had slogans and rhymes he kept saying,” student Trenton Beazely said of the suspect on “Good Morning America.” “Every time he’d kill someone he’d say, ‘another one bites the dust.’”

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http://www.wwgp1050.com/2018/05/21/...ne-bites-the-dust-amid-carnage-survivor-says/

 

[cybervampira]

The Futility of Trying to Prevent More School Shootings
(Very detailed article on mental health, FBI profiling, psychopathy, bullying, security measurements, studies of different school shooters, etc.)
https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/05/school-shootings-prevention/560753/

 

[dianaelaine59]

Alleged Santa Fe HS gunman repeated ‘another one bites the dust’ amid carnage, survivor says

(SANTA FE, Texas) — The gunman who opened fire inside Santa Fe High School in Texas Friday morning allegedly repeated “another one bites the dust” during the carnage, one survivor said this morning.

“He was playing music, making jokes, had slogans and rhymes he kept saying,” student Trenton Beazely said of the suspect on “Good Morning America.” “Every time he’d kill someone he’d say, ‘another one bites the dust.’”

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http://www.wwgp1050.com/2018/05/21/...ne-bites-the-dust-amid-carnage-survivor-says/

HORRIBLE!!!


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[x_files]

HORRIBLE!!!


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to think he may only get 40 years in prison and be released.

 

[human]

Did he have friends?

 

[carole]

to think he may only get 40 years in prison and be released.

If he is tried for all 10 murders and convicted, could the convictions run consecutive, one after the other? This would keep him in prison for the rest of his life.

 

[x_files]

If he is tried for all 10 murders and convicted, could the convictions run consecutive, one after the other? This would keep him in prison for the rest of his life.

I don't know. I'm not an attorney. But I hope they throw the book at him and add federal charges to keep him off the streets for life.

 

[kimlynn]

Shootout between gunman and deputies lasted 25 minutes.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/21/us/texas-santa-fe-school-shooting/index.html

Officers arrived at the school's art lab section about four minutes into the shooting and engaged the shooter right away, Galveston County Sheriff Henry Trochesset told CNN.
But it's unclear whether all the victims were shot by the suspect, or whether some were shot by deputies during the crossfire. Trochesset said authorities are waiting for the medical examiner's autopsies to make that determination.

 

[Bernina]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/20/dimitrios-pagourtzis-wont-face-death-penalty-could/

[FONT=&quot]The 2005 case of Roper v. Simmons said juveniles could not be executed, even if they’re legally considered adults in their state, because they are too immature and their brains underdeveloped. The 2012 ruling in Miller v. Alabama extended the logic to permanent imprisonment.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]“The courts ruled based on the idea that those 17 and younger don’t have the cognitive development to appreciate right from wrong,” said Michael Radelet, a University of Colorado at Boulder sociology professor. “The ruling is about the development of the juvenile brain.”[/FONT]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_v._Alabama

Miller v. Alabama, 567 U.S. 460 (2012), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that mandatory sentences of life without the possibility of parole are unconstitutional for juvenile offenders. The ruling applied even to those persons who had committed murder as a juvenile, extending beyond the Graham v. Florida (2010) case, which had ruled juvenile life without parole sentences unconstitutional for crimes excluding murder.

[h=3]Majority opinion[/h]Justice Elena Kagan wrote for the majority of the court "that mandatory life without parole for those under age of 18 at the time of their crime violates the 8th Amendment’s prohibition on cruel and unusual punishments". "Mandatory life without parole for a juvenile precludes consideration of his chronological age and its hallmark features – among them, immaturity, impetuosity, and failure to appreciate risks and consequences," Justice Kagan said. "It prevents taking into account the family and home environment that surrounds him – and from which he cannot usually extricate himself – no matter how brutal or dysfunctional."

BBM.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

9 Damaging Myths about Mental Illness

Thank you for sharing this link, KaaBoom! One in 4 Americans experience some kind of mental illness in the past 12 months, on average. The overwhelming majority function just fine with treatment; many never have a recurrence.

Mental illness =\= crazy. Period. The end.

That’s so important to know!

 

[Cryptic]

^
Thanks for the good information. I think it is important to note the emphasis on the word "mandatory". Juveniles who commit murder(s) can still be given life without parole sentences if state law allows. The sentence, however, must be given on a case by case basis. It cannot be automatic.

Justice Elena Kagan wrote for the majority of the court "that mandatory life without parole for those under age of 18 at the time of their crime violates the 8th Amendment’s prohibition on cruel and unusual punishments". "Mandatory life without parole for a juvenile precludes consideration of his chronological age and its hallmark features – among them, immaturity, impetuosity, and failure to appreciate risks and consequences," Justice Kagan said. "It prevents taking into account the family and home environment that surrounds him – and from which he cannot usually extricate himself – no matter how brutal or dysfunctional."


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[x_files]

Thank you for sharing this link, KaaBoom! One in 4 Americans experience some kind of mental illness in the past 12 months, on average. The overwhelming majority function just fine with treatment; many never have a recurrence.

Mental illness =\= crazy. Period. The end.

That’s so important to know!

Most people suffer from one form of an illness or disorder.
It's extremely common.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

What mental illness can be cured?

I think the question is more accurately worded: What mental illness can be successfully treated?

Some are “cured,” some are successfully treated. Almost zero equate to “crazytown” or delusional, uncontrolled violence.

Highly treatable:

Clinical depression
ADD/ADHD
PTSD
Bipolar I and II
Anorexia, bulimia, binge eating disorders
OCD
Schizophrenia
Trauma-related anxiety (rape, domestic violence)
Social anxiety
Situational depression (disease diagnosis, losing a child, etc.)
Insomnia disorders
Dissociative disorders
Panic disorders
Seasonal affective disorder
Autism spectrum disorders
Postpartum depression
(The list goes on...)


Fact is, people with mental illness are more likely to complete suicide than injure someone else. Both are rare, though the former is more likely than compared to the general population. They’re also more likely to be victims of violence.

Most don’t require lifelong treatment/management or medication. Some do. They’re overwhelmingly NOT gun or knife-wielding “crazies.”

I really don’t understand what everyone’s going on about. The stigma is sorta ridiculous, imo.

Almost 58 million Americans experience it every year. 1 in 17 will require ongoing management, just like any other disease, whether it’s cancer or diabetes.

What is everyone so scared of? It’s a part of the human condition. We all know someone, if not several people, including family members, who experience it.

http://www.namisa.org/what-is-mental-illness--types-of-mental-disorders.html

If anyone here needs or wants help or advice for themselves or a friend or loved one, please seek it.

https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org

https://www.mentalhealth.gov/get-help/immediate-help

https://www.nami.org/find-support/nami-helpline

❤️❤️❤️

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I attended both public and private schools. Problematic kids weren't dealt with at public school they'd get threatened to behave until they actually broke a law then sent to juvie, in the meantime terrorized half the school. Classes were larger and hader for teachers to know what was going on. Private school 5 students per class, teachers knew everyone personally. Less problems. Problematic students dealt with swiftly.
Here's my theory: Public schools are way too large, too many kids per class, private smaller intimate settings, smaller personal classes 5-15 per class instead.
If schools were smaller in size it would also be easier to set up security check points one-two security officers would be able to access threats better.

I agree.

Some schools are so underfunded and understaffed, they lack resources to do anything but hammer down any nail (student) that’s unusual or who is dealing with personal or family issues (violence, poverty, chronic illness, etc.).

They’re immediately suspended or expelled, sent to alternative programs, etc. They end up violating the civil rights of these students, and that’s proven by multiple complaints and federal investigations.

I’ll provide links if anyone wants them. Don’t want to get too off-topic right now, though.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

that's NOT good. He can do interviews from jail and inspire other losers to become school shooters.

Doesn’t it depend on whether he’s charged as a juvenile or an adult? Also, whether they’re federal or state charges?

This thread moves so fast! Do we know if he’s being tried in adult court?

 

[x_files]

I agree.

Some schools are so underfunded and understaffed, they lack resources to do anything but hammer down any nail (student) that’s unusual or who is dealing with personal or family issues (violence, poverty, chronic illness, etc.).

They’re immediately suspended or expelled, sent to alternative programs, etc. They end up violating the civil rights of these students, and that’s proven by multiple complaints and federal investigations.

I’ll provide links if anyone wants them. Don’t want to get too off-topic right now, though.

Expelling them only gives them ample free time to plan out crimes. Some kids might need boot camp, structure and supervision whereas other kids wouldn't fair well at all.

 

[Bernina]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...on-struggles-to-find-new-ground-in-gun-debate

Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo has been pointed in his response to the violence in nearby Santa Fe. "This isn't a time for prayers, and study and Inaction, it's a time for prayers, action and the asking of God's forgiveness for our inaction (especially the elected officials that ran to the cameras today, acted in a solemn manner, called for prayers, and will once again do absolutely nothing)," he wrote in a Facebook post on Friday.

"We need to have a national background check system that is uniformed with real teeth and real consequences for those that try to defeat it in trying to get guns and for those that sell guns to the wrong people," Acevedo toldNPR's Lulu Garcia-Navarro. "We need to take pragmatic action to keep guns in the right hands. I tell you what we all need to do is to stop throwing our hands up. This is the American people. We are a can-do people. We're a can-do country. And we can put a man on the moon and aircraft on Mars. We certainly can address the gun violence which is really a public health epidemic in this nation."

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick doesn't agree that guns are the problem, instead citing violent video games and abortions.
"We have 50 million abortions," he told CNN on Sunday. "We have families that are broken apart, no fathers at home. We have incredible heinous violence as a [video] game, two hours a day in front of their eyes. And we stand here and we wonder why this happens to certain students."

........... citing violent video games and abortions........:facepalm:

:banghead:

 

[x_files]

Doesn’t it depend on whether he’s charged as a juvenile or an adult? Also, whether they’re federal or state charges?

This thread moves so fast! Do we know if he’s being tried in adult court?

I'm trying to follow the news, I honestly do not know.
I think he needs to be tried as an adult.

 

[human]

Paper Tigers is a documentary about how a school in Walla Walla Washington dealt with students who had behavioral issues.To me, this is a huge piece that would change America.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4076258/