TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #15

[Samaritan]

I think the testing is a lot more difficult than people are assuming. The receipt says that they attempted to treat the stain before bringing it to the drycleaners. It might have just been rinsed, hydrogen peroxide, a stain stick might have been used, etc. I don't think it was just a shirt covered in fresh blood that could easily be stuck under a microscope.

If the shirt had anything to do with the case RB would have to be the biggest idiot on the planet to take it to a dry cleaner, after attempting to clean it or otherwise, rather than simply bury, burn, or otherwise dispose of it.

I suppose we'll see, but with all the seemingly through planning involved in this act I cannot imagine such an completely game-changing oversight.

If RB did have something to do with it, I believe this is a calculated move to have the police "clear" him, thereby reducing the public's (and possibly LE's) suspicion of his involvement. Psychological gameplay, if you will.

 

[WannaBDetective]

Here's the link to the transcript from last night's Nancy Grace:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1605/11/ng.01.html

For all you guys wondering what transpired recently, the Nancy Grace transcript actually does a pretty good job. They are honing in on the disposable phone and gym. They seem to fixate on who was there a long time and might have been stalking her. My first reaction was different. I thought "No, who suddenly joined/reactivated at that gym in the last couple months." Something did change the last two weeks of her life. Another coincidence? Could be. I think it is another clue.

The Tarrant county connection is a little telling. Tarrant county is over 10X as big as Ellis county (pop wise) and would have significantly more resources. My gut says they've got the perp buying the disposable phone on video and need help enhancing the images.

Actually thought NG handled it well (bringing in facts and expert witnesses without pointing the finger at anyone specific.) I'm still at 50% my original gut feel. 45% some creeper we don't know about yet; connected to fitness. 5% a family member or one of the original affidavits. As a note, my original candidate did say they were going back to the gym in a recent FB post (which has since been taken down). But I don't even know if it's the same gym, so that's pure speculation. NG and many weighing in (that have studied this at all) are all but eliminating the B's.

 

[Scout]

I was just sitting here thinking about the perp's height. If LE is correct that height is 5'-8" or 5'-9", and if the prevailing view is correct that gender is female, then that does help to narrow things down. That height is above average for females. And for that matter, it's below average for males.

If this was a targeted killing in which the perp had some connection to MB either directly or indirectly, there just won't be many people in the potential pool who are that height. If it was a random killing with no prior connection, then that makes things harder. But I'll be shocked if it was random.Everything about this case screams "planned" and "crime of passion".

But it's important that LE gets the estimated height on the nose. Shouldn't be hard to do - they dress someone in similar outfit and have them re-create the perp's movements for the church cameras, then compare the footage until they get a close match. But maybe that's why they called in experts to help review footage; maybe they're checking and double-checking the height estimate.

Planned? Yes. Crime of passion? Not necessarily. I'm not convinced the perpetrator is female.

 

[SteveS]

It didn't appear LE was going to be holding info about a week ago with the info on warrants, target numbers, etc, so that's been a bit frustrating.

We shouldn't confuse info from warrants with info "revealed" by the police. Warrants in Texas are almost always a matter of public record, by law, so media (and anyone else with the time and desire, for that matter) can usually get access to them and share the info they contain. But that's not a case of the police taking steps to tell the public details of tests, POIs, suspects, leads, analyses, and so on, which tend to be done sparingly and typically just for furthering a specific purpose regarding the case.

 

[lstiff]

I had a dream that I was with MB in Austin and on the way back, we were being followed by a stalker on a back country road (2 lane with lots of trees). She knew he was following her but for some reason didn't call LE or make a report. I am so glad I woke up. Geez, I hope an arrest is made today! I feel it is close, IMO!

ETA: If MB knew something was not right IRL, did she talk to anyone about it? If she was not acting like herself and possibly avoiding a person at the gym, did she have someone she trusted with this information? I certainly hope so! Fingers crossed.

ETAA: Some information about Stingrays. If you can't stand NG you might want to mute the sound:
http://www.hlntv.com/shows/nancy-grace/articles/2016/05/10/cops-analyze-cell-phone-data-in-missy-bevers-death

 

[Cannonball3804]

Planned? Yes. Crime of passion? Not necessarily. I'm not convinced the perpetrator is female.

It's certainly not definitive on the passion or the gender, I'll concede. But if you're planning to kill someone but it isn't a crime of passion, then don't you do it a little cleaner, with a gun? Taking the claw end of a hammer and puncturing the victim repeatedly in the head and chest just doesn't seem like something one does unless they're angry at the victim. It's a difference of simply eliminating someone, versus making them pay.

 

[P_erplexed]

Can anyone confirm how much actual surveillance video LE has?


Updated Timeline:
• Monday, April 18, 2016: 3:50 A.M. – Suspect first appears on video surveillance camera at Creekside Church of Christ
• Monday, April 18, 2016: 4:16 A.M. – Mrs. Bevers’ pickup truck is shown on video surveillance driving into the church parking lot.
• Monday, April 18, 2016: 4:20 A.M. – Mrs. Bevers appears on video surveillance camera walking into the church building.
• Monday, April 18, 2016: 4:35 A.M. – Participant in Camp Gladiator arrives at location
• Monday, April 18, 2016: 5:00 A.M. – Two 911 calls received from location
• Monday, April 18, 2016: 5:01 A.M. – Fire Department dispatched
• Monday, April 18, 2016: 5:03 A.M. – Initial Patrol Officers dispatched
• Monday, April 18, 2016: 5:07 A.M. – Fire Department arrives at the location
• Monday, April 18, 2016: 5:10 A.M. – Officers arrive at the location

 

[liz b.]

For all you guys wondering what transpired recently, the Nancy Grace transcript actually does a pretty good job. They are honing in on the disposable phone and gym. They seem to fixate on who was there a long time and might have been stalking her. My first reaction was different. I thought "No, who suddenly joined/reactivated at that gym in the last couple months." Something did change the last two weeks of her life. Another coincidence? Could be. I think it is another clue.

The Tarrant county connection is a little telling. Tarrant county is over 10X as big as Ellis county (pop wise) and would have significantly more resources. My gut says they've got the perp buying the disposable phone on video and need help enhancing the images.

Actually thought NG handled it well (bringing in facts and expert witnesses without pointing the finger at anyone specific.) I'm still at 50% my original gut feel. 45% some creeper we don't know about yet; connected to fitness. 5% a family member or one of the original affidavits. As a note, my original candidate did say they were going back to the gym in a recent FB post (which has since been taken down). But I don't even know if it's the same gym, so that's pure speculation. NG and many weighing in (that have studied this at all) are all but eliminating the B's.

RBBM : that is a very interesting speculation. jmo Not a NG fan, but this particular case was quite well handled last night. jmo

 

[CBTx]

Actually thought NG handled it well (bringing in facts and expert witnesses without pointing the finger at anyone specific.) I'm still at 50% my original gut feel. 45% some creeper we don't know about yet; connected to fitness. 5% a family member or one of the original affidavits. As a note, my original candidate did say they were going back to the gym in a recent FB post (which has since been taken down). But I don't even know if it's the same gym, so that's pure speculation. NG and many weighing in (that have studied this at all) are all but eliminating the B's.

Is this the same person with the TBI?

 

[arkansasmimi]

That gym guy on NG, he was on one of the news videos I saw it last week looking for a link. It is an extended interview, more than the ones saying she was acting different.. he goes into she hadnt been there in 2 weeks..

Looking at MB various FB pages, she had a couple businesses. In late 2014 she posted on that gym fb that starting her own boot camp workouts .. Maybe she just had so much other exercise/work outs going on that she didnt have the time or need. Or she may have started going to another gym. or ... who knows maybe she had a lot going on JMHO

 

[finine]

I've been reading through as fast as I can.....and kind of skipping the repetitive stuff....

Someone asked about FBI, DEA, ATF, Other PD's being spotted in the area, I haven't seen any in Midlo. And I drive pass the MPD every morning and afternoon, and in the evenings all around Midlo for my kids activities/sports. Could be working during the day while I'm at work in Dallas?

Someone asked about camper that found MB identity, no it has not been made public and no they are not on the WS/phone target list, I know because I know who the camper is.

I'm going back and forth on the POI....from it being as another person stated "juvenile" unknown person to MB to it possibly being someone close to MB circle.

I feel that....a gun was not involved.....but I could be wrong. I know that one of the campers that found MB stated that "she was all cut up".....no mention of gun wounds but maybe the other wounds could have possibly covered up the gun wound IF there were any. JMO

As I've stated before....call us crazy but some of us locals are not scared or worried about it being a serial killer on the loose and teens/high school kids are still hanging out at night, people are still jogging out in the open...carrying on with our everyday lives.

Curious, do you feel comfortable stating where Missy was found? Was it in a room or hallway?

 

[MzOpinion8d]

You would think if a perp is smart enough to know they need a burner phone, they'd be smart enough to buy it in some podunk gas station with no cameras, or cameras from 1980! I'm willing to bet that at the least, they were in disguise when they bought it.

 

[Dollcat]

OT. I'm getting the Facebook ads again today. Yesterday I shut my phone off twice and thought I had cleared it up I believe last night someone mentioned about a mobile mode at the bottom of the forum. I can't find what the poster mentioned and have looked at my profile to see if I could find anything there to no avail. I'm on iphone6. Very irritating yesterday to have to keep opening browser windows to go back to previous thread to link to current thread. TIA!

on the blood/DNA testing, last week a woman was attacked by 6 wild dogs in Dallas and unfortunately succumbed to the 100 plus bites. City of Dallas is sending out the captured dogs DNA to establish ownership etc. Apparently the alleged dogs owner has been cited at least 11 times in the past. Anyway in the news story they said that it could take 8 weeks for results. So I guess it's probable on the turnaround time. Guess the labs are busy...

 

[arkansasmimi]

You would think if a perp is smart enough to know they need a burner phone, they'd be smart enough to buy it in some podunk gas station with no cameras, or cameras from 1980! I'm willing to bet that at the least, they were in disguise when they bought it.

Can get phones many places... pawnshops yardsales, fleamarkets, someone elses old one... but you still have to activate it. So where ever the activation came from... JMHO

ETA: JMHO I bet there is some sort of regulatory thing where the businesses selling the minute activation and so forth, have to keep some sort of record. I know you cant even activate a prepaid visa without giving personal information. LOL I dont like using my debit/cc online but was ordering something so I got one from Walmart. I had to give my name, add ss# all said it was required by the Gov. lol they said it was because people use for money laundering. * I said and sure people dont lie :silly: but .. they do have records of those cards when they scan it out. If this Suspect did anything like this, they are still gonna get caught.

 

[Jax49]

OT. I'm getting the Facebook ads again today. Yesterday I shut my phone off twice and thought I had cleared it up I believe last night someone mentioned about a mobile mode at the bottom of the forum. I can't find what the poster mentioned and have looked at my profile to see if I could find anything there to no avail. I'm on iphone6. Very irritating yesterday to have to keep opening browser windows to go back to previous thread to link to current thread. TIA!

on the blood/DNA testing, last week a woman was attacked by 6 wild dogs in Dallas and unfortunately succumbed to the 100 plus bites. City of Dallas is sending out the captured dogs DNA to establish ownership etc. Apparently the alleged dogs owner has been cited at least 11 times in the past. Anyway in the news story they said that it could take 8 weeks for results. So I guess it's probable on the turnaround time. Guess the labs are busy...

"Tricia posted a sticky earlier today about the ad issue. Just scroll to the bottom of the forum page and change your view mode to mobile. It really helps, fwiw."

 

[barcode]

You would think if a perp is smart enough to know they need a burner phone, they'd be smart enough to buy it in some podunk gas station with no cameras, or cameras from 1980! I'm willing to bet that at the least, they were in disguise when they bought it.

I am not one of those people that are soooooo connected to their phone, in fact I have never made a transaction, signed into bank accounts, ebay, amazon, etc I have no problem with anyone seeing what is on my phone, very little would be gleamed by looking at it, gets left behind a lot LE would have a terrible time determining my whereabouts if they went by my phone. That being said, why on earth do people take phones with them to commit crimes? And a burner phone at that?

Do they have the burner phone? If so how did they get it?

 

[texasgirl2]

OT. I'm getting the Facebook ads again today. Yesterday I shut my phone off twice and thought I had cleared it up I believe last night someone mentioned about a mobile mode at the bottom of the forum. I can't find what the poster mentioned and have looked at my profile to see if I could find anything there to no avail. I'm on iphone6. Very irritating yesterday to have to keep opening browser windows to go back to previous thread to link to current thread. TIA!

on the blood/DNA testing, last week a woman was attacked by 6 wild dogs in Dallas and unfortunately succumbed to the 100 plus bites. City of Dallas is sending out the captured dogs DNA to establish ownership etc. Apparently the alleged dogs owner has been cited at least 11 times in the past. Anyway in the news story they said that it could take 8 weeks for results. So I guess it's probable on the turnaround time. Guess the labs are busy...

Hi Dollcat! Look in the bottom left corner of your screen at the very bottom. There's a drop down menu there where you can choose "WS Mobile Style".

ETA: Sorry! Just noticed you're on an Iphone....it may be easier to download the Tapatalk app if you haven't already?! I'm not sure what your phone browser looks like....look for the drop down menu at the bottom.

 

[buddhanna]

I've been reading through as fast as I can.....and kind of skipping the repetitive stuff....

Someone asked about FBI, DEA, ATF, Other PD's being spotted in the area, I haven't seen any in Midlo. And I drive pass the MPD every morning and afternoon, and in the evenings all around Midlo for my kids activities/sports. Could be working during the day while I'm at work in Dallas?

Someone asked about camper that found MB identity, no it has not been made public and no they are not on the WS/phone target list, I know because I know who the camper is.

I'm going back and forth on the POI....from it being as another person stated "juvenile" unknown person to MB to it possibly being someone close to MB circle.

I feel that....a gun was not involved.....but I could be wrong. I know that one of the campers that found MB stated that "she was all cut up".....no mention of gun wounds but maybe the other wounds could have possibly covered up the gun wound IF there were any. JMO

As I've stated before....call us crazy but some of us locals are not scared or worried about it being a serial killer on the loose and teens/high school kids are still hanging out at night, people are still jogging out in the open...carrying on with our everyday lives.

That poor camper to find MB that way..

 

[Not_Enough_Sundays]

Same here ☹️

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

You would think if a perp is smart enough to know they need a burner phone, they'd be smart enough to buy it in some podunk gas station with no cameras, or cameras from 1980! I'm willing to bet that at the least, they were in disguise when they bought it.

JMO, but I'm not getting the impression Swatperp is consistently smart or experienced.