TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #29

[WannaBDetective]

Nope, it's a random person with a cam, who has a vague knowledge of some of the facts of the case (and random other cases), and likes to you-tube his own ideas on them. There are quite a few well-known (to WS-ers) facts of this case that he has missed, because he apparently only has a cursory knowledge and interest. Except for the cam aspect, he's the same sort of opinionizer as everyone here (except imo there are many regulars here who know way more about this case than he does, and whose analysis is more perceptive).

Post away Steve. And let us know so we can find it. Don't quit your day job but my kid's housemate posts for a living (she now has an agent and a director and will get 30K to 90K views whenever she posts.) I suspect, that's this guys angle. Get enough followers and you start getting tapped into marketing pools.

I know I've seen this guy before on YouTube, somewhere completely unrelated. His speech and thought pattern has an unusual gait.

 

[PibblePal]

Something I have seen posted time and again by people is that it had been announced that the morning's 5am class was going to be held inside due to the weather. I have never actually seen anyone provide a link regarding that. I have seen links where Missy posted that "if it's raining we're still training" and that there was cover under the awning. But I have yet to see a link regarding the class going inside.

Has anyone got anything factual about this?

IMO whether or not the class itself was going to be held inside, I think the SP knew MB would be going inside regardless. And probably knew which door she entered to go around to the awning entrance. I think SP knew her route.
I do know that the doors are opened for restroom use by the CG participants.

Kinda off your question of the fact proof of whether or not the class would be held in/out, but thought I'd throw that in there. [emoji4][emoji106]

ETA ... Or SP saw her FB posts ???

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[SteveS]

I agree it was all just his opinion and most outdated, but he seems pretty humble about it. Not sure how that is different from anyone else's opinions here....

"Not sure how that is different from anyone else's opinions here" ....I think that's the point. No one here is really trying to bash the guy. But objectively his knowledge of the case is a couple months behind on some things well-known here, he's not an attorney or detective or someone with some special perception in the way he thinks, he's not getting feedback from others like happens here, so I think we're just saying that we shouldn't give him any more value (or maybe even as much) as we give people at WS who are on top of the details and give real insight. But at the same time, if you have the time and interest, he has an opinion to share on what he has seen of the case.

 

[PibblePal]

Thanks for your reply. I really hope a mod shows up soon to let us know if these random YouTube vids are allowed here now. If so, I have some to post. I have never heard of brainscratch before it was posted here several times. I watched the video and it was all old news and his opinion.

Maybe I'll alert my own post for clarification.

Maybe we each can do YouTube videos and post them on here of our opinions. [emoji106][emoji12]


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[Cannonball3804]

IMO whether or not the class itself was going to be held inside, I think the SP knew MB would be going inside regardless. And probably knew which door she entered to go around to the awning entrance. I think SP knew her route.
I do know that the doors are opened for restroom use by the CG participants.

Kinda off your question of the fact proof of whether or not the class would be held in/out, but thought I'd throw that in there. [emoji4][emoji106]

ETA ... Or SP saw her FB posts ???

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Not sure how any perp targeting MB could be SURE that she was going to go inside. Especially if it was someone who read her FB. Her comment that they were going to work out under the awning would have confirmed that the workout was still happening outdoors. Yes, I know there would still be bathroom access if needed, but perp couldn't have known that such a need would have occurred.

There was nothing stored inside the church that needed to be brought out, correct? Everything was either in MB's truck or the campers were bringing their own gear.

So MB could have literally driven up, waited in her vehicle until other campers got there, and not ever unlocked the doors and gone inside unless someone requested to use the bathroom.

Or am I incorrect about her not needing something stored inside the church? Why the heck would she arrive 45 minutes early for a 5 am class, anyway?

 

[SteveS]

"At approximately 0418 hours, the victimTerri Bevers is observed entering the building through the main door under the awning area.The video shows Terri Bevers walking toward where the suspects location. Neither the suspect nor victim, were seen again on video.The victim was later found deceased at the south west comer of the interior of the building."

SW Phone iPad, page 6 of 8, affiant signature April 19, 2016

HTH for clarification. We do not really even know which doors MB entered because "main doors" and "under awning area" can mean either the main front doors or the porte cochere doors where MB parked. The NG show producers claim MB entered through the main front doors where there is really not an "awning", but MB's actual entry point has never been clarified by LE.

ETA: on page 57, post#845, curiousjo posted the image from MB's FB where MB refers to "we have cover under the front awning! "

Yeah, it's vague as to what is meant by "main doors" and what is meant by "awning" and what is meant by "front" [of the church], and I suspect various parties have used the terms in various (conflicting) ways which makes it even more confusing to follow. The huge entrance on the west side of the church, maybe traditionally the "front entrance" or the "main entrance," also has a large covered area to it, which could be called an "awning" perhaps. The term "interior of the building" is also vague.

I've decided for myself that LE is most likely (at least in my mind) talking about the SW corner entrance when they speak of "the awning area" and that they might be referencing the "main" door in that area, not necessarily of the church as a whole. And I suspect MB was indicating that area as well, when speaking of where they would be holding their class with some "cover" from the rain (since the west side covering is fairly high and probably wouldn't offer that much protection, I wouldn't think). But MB can't clarify for us, and without directly asking LE exactly what they meant in their SW - and I can't imagine that would get very far - we can't be sure.

 

[PibblePal]

Not sure how any perp targeting MB could be SURE that she was going to go inside. Especially if it was someone who read her FB. Her comment that they were going to work out under the awning would have confirmed that the workout was still happening outdoors. Yes, I know there would still be bathroom access if needed, but perp couldn't have known that such a need would have occurred.

There was nothing stored inside the church that needed to be brought out, correct? Everything was either in MB's truck or the campers were bringing their own gear.

So MB could have literally driven up, waited in her vehicle until other campers got there, and not ever unlocked the doors and gone inside unless someone requested to use the bathroom.

Or am I incorrect about her not needing something stored inside the church? Why the heck would she arrive 45 minutes early for a 5 am class, anyway?

Very true! I was just stating my opinion on how it went down.
I would assume (yes I hate that word too, but using it based on other boot camps I've attended), that the doors are unlocked for the duration of the class and then locked back up when class is over. Otherwise, MB would have to pause her direction and unlock the doors each time a bathroom break is needed?
Also, many trainers use the ice machines in the host kitchen.

The rule for CG trainers is to arrive for class at least 30 minutes early. I would find the link but I'm getting my hair done and he's coming back with the color LOL [emoji23][emoji12]

ETA ... SP may have also known her routine for this class. I can't imagine SP going to murder her and not being informed beforehand of her routine before class.
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[Camerabug]

Not sure how any perp targeting MB could be SURE that she was going to go inside. Especially if it was someone who read her FB. Her comment that they were going to work out under the awning would have confirmed that the workout was still happening outdoors. Yes, I know there would still be bathroom access if needed, but perp couldn't have known that such a need would have occurred.

There was nothing stored inside the church that needed to be brought out, correct? Everything was either in MB's truck or the campers were bringing their own gear.

So MB could have literally driven up, waited in her vehicle until other campers got there, and not ever unlocked the doors and gone inside unless someone requested to use the bathroom.

Or am I incorrect about her not needing something stored inside the church? Why the heck would she arrive 45 minutes early for a 5 am class, anyway?

My sense is that restrooms were made available by unlocking the building...maybe a water fountain too - not that she would have to enter to unlock..

 

[PibblePal]

My sense is that restrooms were made available by unlocking the building...maybe a water fountain too - not that she would have to enter to unlock..

Yes I agree [emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]


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[SteveS]

Not sure how any perp targeting MB could be SURE that she was going to go inside. Especially if it was someone who read her FB. Her comment that they were going to work out under the awning would have confirmed that the workout was still happening outdoors. Yes, I know there would still be bathroom access if needed, but perp couldn't have known that such a need would have occurred.

There was nothing stored inside the church that needed to be brought out, correct? Everything was either in MB's truck or the campers were bringing their own gear.

So MB could have literally driven up, waited in her vehicle until other campers got there, and not ever unlocked the doors and gone inside unless someone requested to use the bathroom.

Or am I incorrect about her not needing something stored inside the church? Why the heck would she arrive 45 minutes early for a 5 am class, anyway?

Maybe your questions/thinking points us to the idea that (a) MB habitually went inside, offering access to restrooms for herself and campers, and (b) the perp must have been someone who knew that to be the routine, somehow. As for her time of arrival, iirc that was the norm for her, and perhaps part of the CG model, for the trainer to arrive about 45 mins early - which means it wasn't something unusual to question, but it could have been known from prior classes or from a variety of other ways that she might have communicated it.

 

[roadrunnermt]

Does anyone have a picture of the SW corner of Creekside Church showing the "awning", vestibule, and door entrance there at that SW corner? I apologize if one has been posted and I missed it but only one I recall is investigator crime scene tape and vehicle. Anything with closer ups of windows/doors there?

 

[Cannonball3804]

Very true! I was just stating my opinion on how it went down.
I would assume (yes I hate that word too, but using it based on other boot camps I've attended), that the doors are unlocked for the duration of the class and then locked back up when class is over. Otherwise, MB would have to pause her direction and unlock the doors each time a bathroom break is needed?
Also, many trainers use the ice machines in the host kitchen.

The rule for CG trainers is to arrive for class at least 30 minutes early. I would find the link but I'm getting my hair done and he's coming back with the color LOL [emoji23][emoji12]


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That's helpful - thanks. So if MB had a habit of using ice from the kitchen, the Creekside kitchen would have been all the way on the opposite (north) side of the building. If a perp had targeted her and was well aware of her movements, and if she always went to the kitchen, then you'd think they would lie in wait for her there rather than just inside the area near where the class was going to be held.

Killing her on the north side would have kept her far away from her truck and far away from the front door she had keys to.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Does anyone have a picture of the SW corner of Creekside Church showing the "awning", vestibule, and door entrance there at that SW corner? I apologize if one has been posted and I missed it but only one I recall is investigator crime scene tape and vehicle. Anything with closer ups of windows/doors there?

Close ups taken from a video:





And not so close (from earlier threads, sorry, can't remember the poster!):



Aerial view (by Arkansasmimi):

 

[SandyQLS]

Does anyone have a picture of the SW corner of Creekside Church showing the "awning", vestibule, and door entrance there at that SW corner? I apologize if one has been posted and I missed it but only one I recall is investigator crime scene tape and vehicle. Anything with closer ups of windows/doors there?

One photo is the actual front doors showing minimal "awning" that seems more decorative that protective. The other photo is a WFAA reporter in the awning covered porte cochere area. Notice the little square on the rock trim - that is an electrical outlet? I was wondering if MB had an arrangement to use some sound equipment from the church like speakers, or, if she brought her own complete sound system, did she need access to an electrical outlet inside the doors (either reason so she had to enter building). Did MB need to enter the building to sign a register or punch into an interior keypad to verify that she unlocked the doors/entered building? If so, was such a register or keypad located "toward the suspect's location"? Sometimes a password protected keypad is outside the doors, but sometimes it is inside the doors (and you have 15 seconds to punch in or else!)

 

[Scout]

That's helpful - thanks. So if MB had a habit of using ice from the kitchen, the Creekside kitchen would have been all the way on the opposite (north) side of the building. If a perp had targeted her and was well aware of her movements, and if she always went to the kitchen, then you'd think they would lie in wait for her there rather than just inside the area near where the class was going to be held.

Killing her on the north side would have kept her far away from her truck and far away from the front door she had keys to.

This idea that Missy had keys to the front entrance is not fact. It's a misinterpretation of what the original poster stated and is leading to a lot of baseless speculation.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

This idea that Missy had keys to the front entrance is not fact. It's a misinterpretation of what the original poster stated and is leading to a lot of baseless speculation.

I would say it's not so much a misinterpretation as it is 'an' interpretation...based on the two ways of interpreting what LE stated upthread (see SteveS's post #867). There's no way of knowing which door she entered for sure at this point in time, until someone in the know clarifies it. If you believe she walked down a hallway 'toward' where the suspect was, and that he ambushed her, it makes sense to some that she would have entered the front door, as we are told her body was found in the "SW interior" of of the building. If she entered the SW doors AND was ambushed at that end of the building out of camera sight, she didn't do much 'walking down a hallway' to where the perp was. He had to be lyng in wait within a few steps of those doors, as well as off-camera.

 

[GA_Peach]

Maybe your questions/thinking points us to the idea that (a) MB habitually went inside, offering access to restrooms for herself and campers, and (b) the perp must have been someone who knew that to be the routine, somehow. As for her time of arrival, iirc that was the norm for her, and perhaps part of the CG model, for the trainer to arrive about 45 mins early - which means it wasn't something unusual to question, but it could have been known from prior classes or from a variety of other ways that she might have communicated it.

Exactly my thoughts.

 

[curiousjo]

This idea that Missy had keys to the front entrance is not fact. It's a misinterpretation of what the original poster stated and is leading to a lot of baseless speculation.

So how did she get into church?

 

[SandyQLS]

SteveS, Cannonball, PibblePal, Everyone - not sure who to quote - Thank everyone. This series of posts just gave me a lightbulb moment of clarity (perhaps a dimbulb moment). There have been speculative posts that MB might have gone early to meet someone, which we now know that CG requires trainers to arrive 30 minutes early, so nothing unusual in arrival timing by MB. Since the SP broke into and illegally entered the building, and at the hidden-from-view NE corner, then theories that she had arranged to meet someone inside for any purpose (tryst, signup, discussion or confrontation) are negated. Additionally, LE would likely have discovered an electronic communication between MB and the other person. JMO MB was completely surprised by someone inside the building who did not belong there. (You all probably already deduced that.)

 

[Weyden]

this is an image I got here from WS, I am by no means a pro etc at photo manipulation etc... I adjusted the exposure, sharpness etc. Does one eye appear to "Odd", if yes, could SP have a fake eye, and eye injury, maybe at some point suffer from a stroke (Maybe that would explain odd SP walk?) Just my thoughts and opinions.

Are these eyes or nostrils? (Not trying to be funny, just confused.)