UID Victim: Toddler's Mother, Peaches, found Hempstead Lake State Park June 1997 #4

[willy wagtail]

I don't think there's any way of knowing. She was completely skeletal, and skin tone can vary from dark to light even amongst full siblings with the same contributing genetics. We only know Peaches' skin tone because she was found within a few days of death.

MOO

Could a reconstruction be done?

 

[iamshadow21]

Could a reconstruction be done?

It's difficult with infants. I know it has been done successfully - Bella Bond is a good example - but it poses challenges because of the nature of infants' faces and how they're still growing and changing every day. I don't know if it's been done successfully with a fully skeletal infant. Bella was decomposed, but not skeletal.

MOO

 

[snarast]

It's difficult with infants. I know it has been done successfully - Bella Bond is a good example - but it poses challenges because of the nature of infants' faces and how they're still growing and changing every day. I don't know if it's been done successfully with a fully skeletal infant. Bella was decomposed, but not skeletal.

MOO

Penotype prediction from DNA could be done.

 

[iamshadow21]

Penotype prediction from DNA could be done.

Do you mean using Parabon Snapshot to create a face? They could maybe do it with Peaches, if they have enough faces of people with African heritage in their data bank, but as far as I know, it has never been done with subadults, so they couldn't do it for her baby.

MOO

 

[snarast]

Do you mean using Parabon Snapshot to create a face? They could maybe do it with Peaches, if they have enough faces of people with African heritage in their data bank, but as far as I know, it has never been done with subadults, so they couldn't do it for her baby.

MOO

The DNA is the same whether young or old. So why not? I’m thinking in order to see a resemblance to the father…to find him.

And I don’t care who does it as long as it holds up scientifically. I’m sure there are different vendors with slightly diffent algorithms. Or else there should be

 

[iamshadow21]

The DNA is the same whether young or old. So why not? I’m thinking in order to see a resemblance to the father…to find him.

And I don’t care who does it as long as it holds up scientifically. I’m sure there are different vendors with slightly diffent algorithms. Or else there should be

Genetic genealogy is going to be more reliable, in my opinion, than a recon that is creating a face that never was, a two year old who never grew up. Peaches would be a far better candidate, because she was an adult. The algorithm was designed for creating recons of adults.

I don't know of anyone but Parabon doing this. It requires a specialised database of thousands of faces along with their genetic profiles, and then the proprietary software to use it to generate a face from a queried DNA sample. It isn't just anything any old startup company could do - the resources behind it must be astronomical.

MOO

 

[snarast]

Genetic genealogy is going to be more reliable, in my opinion, than a recon that is creating a face that never was, a two year old who never grew up. Peaches would be a far better candidate, because she was an adult. The algorithm was designed for creating recons of adults.

I don't know of anyone but Parabon doing this. It requires a specialised database of thousands of faces along with their genetic profiles, and then the proprietary software to use it to generate a face from a queried DNA sample. It isn't just anything any old startup company could do - the resources behind it must be astronomical.

MOO

GG will be better for sure. Still it would be interesting to know some characteristics of the father. Maybe he isn’t African American for instance. If so, he is arguably more likely to belong to a genetically well sampled socioeconomic group.

But FBI and whatnot must have been over this. I’m just concerned that results that can be indicative but not hold up in court might be ignored.

I have my hopes up a bit for Thursday!

 

[fidgeypie]

Let's just hope we get some answers for Peaches with these recent searches. She doesn't even have her name back yet, or the baby. We'd like to know what happened to her, yes, but it would be incredible if we could just find out who she is, so in death, at least people know her proper name, and so that she can be put to rest in the place her family would like. It matters little to me whether Peaches was a sex worker or not. She may or may not have been, many SKs "cross over" between non-sex workers and sex workers (Cottingham, for example). It's not a "guaranteed" that she was. By the same token, though, I don't see anything "wrong" with speculating that a victim in this context may have been a sex worker. What matters to me most right now is that Peaches is dead, and we don't even know who she was, OR what happened to her. Now, sometimes, you can find out who she was by finding out what happened to her, and sometimes you can figure out what happened to her by figuring out who she was. Maybe we're just seeing some conflict in terms of the approaches people are taking.

I think they still don't have Peaches' skull recovered yet, and that's why they don't have a sketch for her. That's going to slow things down. I've got a feeling Peaches was special to her killer, and I've got a feeling that kiler's RH. If we get more RH info, maybe we can get closer to who Peaches was, and what happened to her and her baby. @fidgeypie, Josh Zieman's noting the initials on her tattoo, and I can probably go back and get those, but the thing is, I've heard those initials may be for the tattoo artist, so I'm not sure if they're going to ultimately lead to her identity. Plus, they might be the initials of the baby rather than Peaches herself. I'll try and get them, but right now, I'd unfortunately view the fastest road to getting info for Peaches by shaking down RH-- who's quite possibly very prolific, and may not have "always" just murdered sex workers. Have definitely looked at victims, both identified and unidentified, who are non-sex workers in association with RH. I'd be surprised if it turns out he "only" went after sex workers. But I mean, maybe he did. We don't know yet.

That's definitely possible on both counts. I just want to wade into the conversation about missing persons reports. Catch LISK said that she wasn't even in Namus properly. If that's the case then how are her family meant to look for her properly and considering where her tattoo was her family probably didn't know about it.

 

[snooptroop88]

I'm wondering if those Bounty paper towels mentioned in the warrant for Heuermann's early searches are related to Peaches and the baby. There were a lot of "indoorsy" items found with Peaches and the baby. The blanket and the pillowcase. And partial remains in that tub. LE had listed “Bounty paper towels specifically from the Bounty Modern Print Collection.” They've been looking for those in relation to the Gilgo murders.

Investigators search Gilgo Beach suspect’s home with K-9 and ground-penetrating radar, CNN affiliate reports

Officials are continuing the investigation of Gilgo Beach serial killings suspect Rex Heuermann, using ground-penetrating radar and a backhoe to search the yard of his Massapequa Park home.

www.wpsdlocal6.com

There's an artist line of prints right now out from Bounty, but that started in like March 2023, which would seem too recent to be of interest in any of these cases (but you never know). There are print designs at various times in the late 90s ("Medleys" and "Fun Prints"). Dora the Explorer and Peanuts in the 2000s.

So if there are paper towels, those are usually in kitchens. If the paper towels apply to Peaches and were found with her remains, the killer had her in a place with a kitchen. That wouldn't be a regular motel, the rooms in a regular motel don't usually have kitchenettes. That's more likely an apartment or house, which makes sense in light of the blanket & pillowcase. It's also possible the killer had the paper towels in his vehicle, but I doubt he had the blanket & pillowcase in the vehicle. And paper towels are something a woman with a baby would be likely to have on hand.

Have also been thinking about the initials on the tattoo, which might be "TBA," like To Be Announced. Was this maybe a girl aiming to move to Georgia? If the tattoo artist's name was Steve Cullen, I don't see how those are the tattoo artist's initials, which is what someone had mentioned before.

DNA links torso found nearly 20 years ago in Hempstead Lake State Park to Gilgo Beach killings

A new link has been found between the Gilgo Beach killings and a torso found in Rockville Centre nearly 20 years ago. Law enforcement sources tell News 12 Long Island that they have for years believed

longisland.news12.com

If the initials are TBH, this could make sense with what @Blueeyedbrowngirl and @AliceInPain mentioned earlier about Elijah Howell/Howard.

 

[wcasewatch]

IMO, Occam's Razor points to all the victims being killed inside a private residence. He needed time, privacy, and space with no interruptions. Doing it in an outdoor area or shared space would be too risky. He also needed his victims to believe that it was just another routine call with a client. Bear in mind that he may not have initially planned to kill all of the victims. Serial killers who prey on sex workers are regular johns. In many cases, they pick up women "as normal" before, during, and after their killing sprees. I've wondered the same about the Bounty paper towels. Peaches seems to be the only "drop" that contained a collection of household items.

As for the "initials", I think people might be staring at the image until they see them. The medical examiner never mentioned anything about initials, and he would have had a better view than anyone.

Personally, I also highly doubt that Steve Cullen's story is connected to Peaches.

 

[wcasewatch]

Ths bail doc and Tierney's comments basically confirm that the victims were killed at the residence.

In his "manual", which he wrote between 2000-2002, Rex listed "T-UNK (BLACK)" under his targets section.

I believe that means "Target Unknown (Black)". He had either seen a black sex worker hanging around his usual hunting ground or he was weighing up the possibility of finding a black sex worker.

He also wrote, "T-1 Megan ?". This was long before Megan Waterman, so he obviously had another sex worker in mind (Megan probably wasn't her real name, just her working name). It appears as though he also had her phone number.

This suggests that he spent enough time around these girls as a "regular john" to learn some of their names. It also suggests that he did have a sexual interest in black women. That isn't completely surprising, considering he did search for "skinny black slave" on one of his burner phones.

 

[willy wagtail]

I don't think there's any way of knowing. She was completely skeletal, and skin tone can vary from dark to light even amongst full siblings with the same contributing genetics. We only know Peaches' skin tone because she was found within a few days of death.

MOO

Could she be the black sex slave?

 

[iamshadow21]

Could she be the black sex slave?

The document was created originally roughly three years after Peaches' death, then revised multiple times over several years thereafter. The child is roughly estimated to be around two years of age. I don't think there's any way the maths works.

MOO

 

[Fanboi92]

Just wondering did they ever followed up on the lead from her possible relatives from the south? And is it possible they can do a reconstruction on her based on the DNA profile?

 

[fidgeypie]

Just wondering did they ever followed up on the lead from her possible relatives from the south? And is it possible they can do a reconstruction on her based on the DNA profile?

I'm guessing they will pop up with an identification at some point