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Thank you for that info. Even with all of my reading up on this case, I had never read that Andrew wanted to grow his hair long and dye it black. Interesting.

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Was on holiday with my friends and we stopped in Mauchline, Easy Ayrshire, Scotland.. on the side of a phone booth/public toilets was a huge poster with Andrew's face on it. Surprised me seeing him up here.
 
Was on holiday with my friends and we stopped in Mauchline, Easy Ayrshire, Scotland.. on the side of a phone booth/public toilets was a huge poster with Andrew's face on it. Surprised me seeing him up here.

That sign, is a good sign!
 
It's not mentioned often but I really wish we knew more about the person who turned up at Leominster with information less than a year after Andrew's disappearance. That was a huge opportunity missed in terms of finding out what happened. Is was either Andrew himself, someone who knew who was responsible for what happened or the perpetrator themselves. Any thoughts on this?
 
It's not mentioned often but I really wish we knew more about the person who turned up at Leominster with information less than a year after Andrew's disappearance. That was a huge opportunity missed in terms of finding out what happened. Is was either Andrew himself, someone who knew who was responsible for what happened or the perpetrator themselves. Any thoughts on this?

I have always wondered about that too. How is it that someone can show up on the doorstep of an actual police station and disappear never to be seen or heard from again? I know someone who was arrested after driving PAST a police station in the main road next to it. He was caught on some panning camera or some cctv installed on the station. Yet a guy who walks into the gates of a police station and actually speaks to someone over the intercom system simply strolls off and he is never picked up on any camera or seen at all? What about the places surrounding the police station? Houses, etc? Nothing was ever checked for footage of the person walking around or cars around Leominster police station or surrounding roads on that date?

The fact the person also went to the station over a year after Andrew disappeared is significant to me. By that time, any mainstream coverage his case did have would have died down a bit making it less likely the person was just a timewaster or someone looking for attention after just hearing about it. It's definitely a bit odd that this part of it is not looked into more.
 
I have always wondered about that too. How is it that someone can show up on the doorstep of an actual police station and disappear never to be seen or heard from again? I know someone who was arrested after driving PAST a police station in the main road next to it. He was caught on some panning camera or some cctv installed on the station. Yet a guy who walks into the gates of a police station and actually speaks to someone over the intercom system simply strolls off and he is never picked up on any camera or seen at all? What about the places surrounding the police station? Houses, etc? Nothing was ever checked for footage of the person walking around or cars around Leominster police station or surrounding roads on that date?

The fact the person also went to the station over a year after Andrew disappeared is significant to me. By that time, any mainstream coverage his case did have would have died down a bit making it less likely the person was just a timewaster or someone looking for attention after just hearing about it. It's definitely a bit odd that this part of it is not looked into more.
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I agree, I think it was a very significant event as it probably took a lot for whoever it was to come to the point mentally where they felt they were able to discuss something that I think would have determined which way this was going to go. Instead the police let it slip through their fingers again. That moment is lost forever now I think.Yes I accept it wasn't manned at the office and they sent someone, after which time the person disappeared as self preservation probably kicked in, but why did they not check CCTV in the surrounding areas as you say? Very frustrating and now little is known since.




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Hi John.121
I agree, I think it was a very significant event as it probably took a lot for whoever it was to come to the point mentally where they felt they were able to discuss something that I think would have determined which way this was going to go. Instead the police let it slip through their fingers again. That moment is lost forever now I think.Yes I accept it wasn't manned at the office and they sent someone, after which time the person disappeared as self preservation probably kicked in, but why did they not check CCTV in the surrounding areas as you say? Very frustrating and now little is known since.

This also apparently happened in the case of Mary Flanagan who disappeared in London in 1959.

Then, last summer, Brenda [Mary's sister] received a phone call from police in Edinburgh. A woman had just walked into a police station resembling Mary’s most recent age progression picture. She denied all knowledge of the name Mary Flanagan and insisted, “I’m independent, I can look after myself.” Brenda says: “She got very evasive. When they went back the next day she’d gone.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/fa...anagan-britains-longest-ever-missing-persons/
 
Hi John.121
I agree, I think it was a very significant event as it probably took a lot for whoever it was to come to the point mentally where they felt they were able to discuss something that I think would have determined which way this was going to go. Instead the police let it slip through their fingers again. That moment is lost forever now I think.Yes I accept it wasn't manned at the office and they sent someone, after which time the person disappeared as self preservation probably kicked in, but why did they not check CCTV in the surrounding areas as you say? Very frustrating and now little is known since.




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It's interesting that they spoke to the guy over the intercom system and it has been speculated that the guy who came forward may have been Andrew himself. But you'd think the person who spoke to him would have been questioned; what type of accent did the guy have? was it local? surely the person would have been able to confirm whether the voice sounded like a 14 year old kid or a grown man. But it doesn't seem like cops even bothered about these details.
 
It's interesting that they spoke to the guy over the intercom system and it has been speculated that the guy who came forward may have been Andrew himself. But you'd think the person who spoke to him would have been questioned; what type of accent did the guy have? was it local? surely the person would have been able to confirm whether the voice sounded like a 14 year old kid or a grown man. But it doesn't seem like cops even bothered about these details.

I'm staggered that the police station (and surrounding area) didn't have top-notch CCTV. I hope this man can see his way to coming forward again. Someone knows something.
 
I've always been interested in this case as I grew up in Doncaster and was at high school there from 2001 - 2008 so remember when this first happened quite well. It's such a frustrating case as anytime you come up with a theory there seems to be some sort of evidence to dispute it. I apologise in advance for the lack of any real structure and how long it is but my extensive reading on this raises some observations/questions that I'll put below;

Police Response - The police response to this case was an absolute shambles. Letting the CCTV be wiped may well mean that this is never solved as there's nothing to go on once Andrew arrives in London. The police then go on to let the Leominster man slip through their fingers and make very little attempt to find him again which I find staggering. I understand there's resource issues at play with how many people go missing but it raises a bigger problem in general of the police in this country not taking missing people seriously enough.

Gifted and Talented - A lot of the news articles mention that Andrew was part of the governments gifted and talented programme which was aimed at stretching the top 5% of kids I think it was. A friend of mine was part of this while I was at school and it sometimes involved visiting a local computer centre for lessons rather than just the normal mainstream lessons in school. It's probably of no relevance but if Andrew did the same it might show that he had access to computers and the internet that the police didn't know about or search.

Leominster Man - I think the man at Leominster was hugely significant. I think somebody knows what happened to Andrew and the guilt got the better of them so they went to the police. When they couldn't talk to a police officer or get in the station straight away they bottled it and left.

I've also taken a look at Leominster station and it's pretty isolated and out on an enterprise park rather than being in the centre of the town. My research indicates that closing time for the station was either 8pm or 10pm but it's difficult to be sure as it's now closed completely. It also looks likely that any visitor would probably drive there due to the location. Why would somebody go to the trouble of going out there late at night or in the early hours of the morning and then run off before the police arrived? How urgently did the police arrive to speak to this man? Why was seemingly very little done to find this man despite the fact there's clearly a CCTV camera in the front yard?

Problems - It's been said that Andrew had no problems and it probably did seem that way to his parents. However I'd be amazed if Andrew wasn't bullied. I was at high school when Andrew was and being into the alternative scene was enough to get you bullied on its own. With how nasty kids can be picking up on every little difference the fact that he was also short, looked younger than he was, wore glasses and would have been considered a "geek" would have made him an easy target for bullies. Staying in the house all the time as reported by his dad and avoiding the school bus are also huge signs of someone potentially being bullied.

Computer Access - People often talk about Andrew having very little computer access but I'm not so sure;

Home - We can rule out any significant access at home due to what his dad has told us.

Library - I've also read that the library was checked but I'd question which library was checked? There's Balby Library which is close to Andrews home but there's also the main library in Doncaster town centre which is further away but still in walking distance and Cantley Library is just up the road from his school.

School - I've seen people dismiss the chance of him using the computer at school by talking about filters and the like. Computer security and filters in schools were laughably bad in 2007. When I was in sixth form people were able to use a chat room to speak to each other in our IT lessons despite the fact chat rooms were all supposedly blocked. Somebody even managed to set somebody elses desktop background as a pornographic image on one occasion. It wouldn't take any great IT knowledge to get round the filters as they were so ineffective that they didn't even block half of this content.

The internet has also changed so much since 2007. In 2018 you could probably dig up most youngsters online presence without even having their computer as most of it is focused around the big social media sites like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc. In 2007 there was a lot of youngsters conversing on forums, chat rooms etc which would take more digging to find stuff out especially chat rooms as you didn't even have to register for a lot of them, just pick a username and chat. MSN messenger was also very popular and on every PC.

Sikth and Other Gigs - I don't know where people got it from but on some websites it seems to be a popular theory that Andrew was going to a gig with Sikth getting mentioned a lot. Andrews favourite bands are often described as things like Slipknot, Muse and Marilyn Manson etc. These are the types of bands that you get into when you first start listening to this type of music which suggests to me that he wasn't that into the alternative scene yet and probably only recently started listening to that sort of thing. I highly doubt he knew who Sikth were or had any real exposure to what smaller gigs might be going on.
 
Welcome, SJ16321, great first post and thanks for joining! It's frustrating as you say, so many potential answers were lost in those early days, I suppose the police assumed he was a runaway and would soon be back.

You've obviously done a lot of research on Andrew's case... interested to know what your theory is on why he went to London that day? And if you think he could still be alive?

(PS see UK index linked below, new eyes welcome on all cases!)
 
Welcome, SJ16321, great first post and thanks for joining! It's frustrating as you say, so many potential answers were lost in those early days, I suppose the police assumed he was a runaway and would soon be back.

You've obviously done a lot of research on Andrew's case... interested to know what your theory is on why he went to London that day? And if you think he could still be alive?

(PS see UK index linked below, new eyes welcome on all cases!)

The only thing I've completely ruled out personally is the suicide theory, it just doesn't fit what we know. I also can't think where he could possibly commit suicide in London and not be found for over 10 years!

It pains me to write this but I'm 99% sure that Andrew is dead and he was most likely dead within a couple of hours of arriving in London.

I have two theories of why he went down to London that day;

1) He was groomed online. For whatever reason the Police haven't been able to locate any evidence of him being contacted online but that doesn't mean it's not possible. When you factor in home, library, school and other sources he would have had over 100 PC's available to go online. I highly doubt the police have forensically examined all possibilities.I also think that because he was a bit of a loner and possibly being bullied that it wouldn't take overly long to gain his trust meaning that any online contact could have been minimal.

It would be helpful if we could find out how long it took Andrew to walk home on the days he supposedly walked home from school. By my reckoning it's approximately a 90 min walk but if it took significantly longer then he may have stopped somewhere to use the internet.

2) He could have just gone to London to have a day away from school due to bullying or because he wasn't being stimulated enough and he enjoyed London. While he was down there he was very unlucky, wandered off the beaten track a little bit and someone grabbed him. I don't think it's anywhere near as likely as option 1 but it happens.


I know some people don't believe he went down for 1 day due to the ticket but I personally think the single ticket is a red herring. One potential reason is that he must have been absolutely crapping it in that ticket office that he was going to be challenged why he wasn't in school and why he wanted to travel so far on his own when he was clearly a child so just stuck to his original ticket that he'd asked for to get out of there ASAP.

Thanks for the link, I'll have a look at some of the other UK cases.
 
I've always been interested in this case as I grew up in Doncaster and was at high school there from 2001 - 2008 so remember when this first happened quite well. It's such a frustrating case as anytime you come up with a theory there seems to be some sort of evidence to dispute it. I apologise in advance for the lack of any real structure and how long it is but my extensive reading on this raises some observations/questions that I'll put below;

Police Response - The police response to this case was an absolute shambles. Letting the CCTV be wiped may well mean that this is never solved as there's nothing to go on once Andrew arrives in London. The police then go on to let the Leominster man slip through their fingers and make very little attempt to find him again which I find staggering. I understand there's resource issues at play with how many people go missing but it raises a bigger problem in general of the police in this country not taking missing people seriously enough.

Gifted and Talented - A lot of the news articles mention that Andrew was part of the governments gifted and talented programme which was aimed at stretching the top 5% of kids I think it was. A friend of mine was part of this while I was at school and it sometimes involved visiting a local computer centre for lessons rather than just the normal mainstream lessons in school. It's probably of no relevance but if Andrew did the same it might show that he had access to computers and the internet that the police didn't know about or search.

Leominster Man - I think the man at Leominster was hugely significant. I think somebody knows what happened to Andrew and the guilt got the better of them so they went to the police. When they couldn't talk to a police officer or get in the station straight away they bottled it and left.

I've also taken a look at Leominster station and it's pretty isolated and out on an enterprise park rather than being in the centre of the town. My research indicates that closing time for the station was either 8pm or 10pm but it's difficult to be sure as it's now closed completely. It also looks likely that any visitor would probably drive there due to the location. Why would somebody go to the trouble of going out there late at night or in the early hours of the morning and then run off before the police arrived? How urgently did the police arrive to speak to this man? Why was seemingly very little done to find this man despite the fact there's clearly a CCTV camera in the front yard?

Problems - It's been said that Andrew had no problems and it probably did seem that way to his parents. However I'd be amazed if Andrew wasn't bullied. I was at high school when Andrew was and being into the alternative scene was enough to get you bullied on its own. With how nasty kids can be picking up on every little difference the fact that he was also short, looked younger than he was, wore glasses and would have been considered a "geek" would have made him an easy target for bullies. Staying in the house all the time as reported by his dad and avoiding the school bus are also huge signs of someone potentially being bullied.

Computer Access - People often talk about Andrew having very little computer access but I'm not so sure;

Home - We can rule out any significant access at home due to what his dad has told us.

Library - I've also read that the library was checked but I'd question which library was checked? There's Balby Library which is close to Andrews home but there's also the main library in Doncaster town centre which is further away but still in walking distance and Cantley Library is just up the road from his school.

School - I've seen people dismiss the chance of him using the computer at school by talking about filters and the like. Computer security and filters in schools were laughably bad in 2007. When I was in sixth form people were able to use a chat room to speak to each other in our IT lessons despite the fact chat rooms were all supposedly blocked. Somebody even managed to set somebody elses desktop background as a pornographic image on one occasion. It wouldn't take any great IT knowledge to get round the filters as they were so ineffective that they didn't even block half of this content.

The internet has also changed so much since 2007. In 2018 you could probably dig up most youngsters online presence without even having their computer as most of it is focused around the big social media sites like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc. In 2007 there was a lot of youngsters conversing on forums, chat rooms etc which would take more digging to find stuff out especially chat rooms as you didn't even have to register for a lot of them, just pick a username and chat. MSN messenger was also very popular and on every PC.

Sikth and Other Gigs - I don't know where people got it from but on some websites it seems to be a popular theory that Andrew was going to a gig with Sikth getting mentioned a lot. Andrews favourite bands are often described as things like Slipknot, Muse and Marilyn Manson etc. These are the types of bands that you get into when you first start listening to this type of music which suggests to me that he wasn't that into the alternative scene yet and probably only recently started listening to that sort of thing. I highly doubt he knew who Sikth were or had any real exposure to what smaller gigs might be going on.

I believe the theory he went to a Sikth concert started from the Thinking Sideways podcast. But it was a theory.

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This case has really interested me since I heard about it on the Thin Air podcast. I'd been meaning to post my view for a while but after reading SJ16321's post, he's summed up what I think better than I could! I agree with all of his points and I have a few bits to add of my own.

I think this should have been a straightforward case but police incompetency has made it more mysterious than it should be. Like SJ16321, I also think Andrew was groomed online and met this person in London. Upon hearing and reading about the case, this was my initial theory, until his lack of internet access made me consider otherwise. I think this is a red herring though, and like SJ16321, I also think the return ticket is a red herring and a completely irrelevant piece of information.

Lack of computer access and avoiding the school bus - The lack of computer access is what initially confused me, as like I said, I immediately thought it was an online predator, then Andrew's Dad said that they didn't have internet access at home. Like SJ16321 said, Andrew would have had daily online access at school. Proxies were commonplace when I was around Andrew's age in 2003, and I even remember a website disguised as a work site that was actually a *advertiser censored* site, so blocking and filtering was inept and almost certainly would have been inept in Andrew's school in 2007.

When it got to his school internet access on the Thin Air podcast, this was quickly dismissed with "oh, the police checked the school computer's and didn't find anything". Based on how utterly incompetent the police were throughout this case, I think it's laughable to think that they would have been any more competent with checking Andrew's school internet access. I imagine they would have came into the school, asked the teacher what computer Andrew sat at in his IT class, loaded the computer, checked the history on Internet Explorer, and when nothing that was obviously suspicious appeared, finished their search. I'm unsure exactly how tracking works in a school but I imagine the internet history would be linked to the pupil's logon. I highly doubt the police would have isolated Andrew's internet access over the term and combed through each visited website, so I think dismissing this point with "the police checked it and found nothing" is incredibly unwise.

Regarding the bus journey home, I have a different theory on why he stopped taking the bus. I initially thought it may be due to bullying, and I do think bullying was a likely scenario in his life, however, with the bus, I feel like his Dad assumed that Andrew walked home, whereas I believe he may have missed the initial bus that he usually took and taken a later bus (even if he couldn’t take a school bus, it’s possible he could have taken a local bus). I feel that it’s possible he was using the computers after school to talk to the online predator he later met in London, then taking a later bus home and with the time it took, his parents either assumed he was walking or he lied and said he walked. I’ve also looked up the distance between his house and the school and it’s nearly 5 miles, or a 1 hour and 30 minute walk, which is a hell of a slog for someone walking home from school, and seems somewhat unrealistic for this to be done daily, even if he was being bullied. I looked up the buses and it seems that nowadays there are 2 buses that come around the time school finishes that take 25 minutes then after that the next bus is a minute walk down the road and takes around 45 minutes. Obviously things may have changed now, but I can’t imagine it’s changed massively. Andrew could have got this later bus after using the internet at school and based on the fact that his parents didn’t realise he was missing until dinner time, I think it’s fair to say that they didn’t know how long it would take him to get home, possibly due to them not being home until after he was.

Lack of a return ticket – I think this is a big red herring and is completely and utterly irrelevant. The only theory that him buying a single ticket would further is that he planned to either commit suicide or he planned to start a new life, both of which are utterly ridiculous theories. I’m making an assumption that Andrew was socially awkward based on what I’ve read and heard, so I imagine him saying “ticket to King’s Cross, please”, then the cashier asking if he wanted a return and him just grunting “no”, so he could get out of the conversation. Like SJ16321 said, he was probably scared that he would be found out for skipping school, so he would want to finish the conversation as soon as possible, and then deal with buying another ticket later when he wanted to come home. There’s also the possibility that he was confused on how a return worked, as he was potentially planning to stay with family in London so perhaps thought a return was only for the same day. I just think the lack of a return ticket is blown up into far more than it is just because it’s mysterious, “but if he wanted to return, why didn’t he buy a return ticket?!”. I really don’t think it’s important at all, and his Dad said as much.

Theories I believe are 100% incorrect

Suicide – This is a truly bizarre theory because it’s so unlikely that someone could commit suicide in a place he doesn’t live and for the body to not be found for 10 years. Granted, in the initial months of the case it would be possible albeit unlikely, but now, no way.
Starting a new life – This is also a truly bizarre theory because it wants you to believe that a 14 year old child could start a new life in a new city with no money and zero street smarts. Every time this theory gets brought up it’s always mentioned how “clever” Andrew is. Andrew may have been good at maths, but I’m sure we all knew a maths genius at school who had zero social skills. I’m not saying Andrew had zero social skills but his ability for maths is irrelevant to survival on the streets and the intricacies of starting a new life. A fully grown adult would find it hard, let alone a child. I also find amazing that his enjoyment of a TV series is brought up, like this 14 year old kid enjoyed a TV show about a man who started a new life and suddenly wanted to do it himself. I think this theory arose because his parents would have loved to have believed it was true, but it’s unrealistic on numerous levels.

My view on the timeline
- Andrew started talking online at the start of the new school term to someone who was grooming him.
- He started missing the bus home to talk to this person on the computer’s after school, taking a later bus.
- He arranged to meet this person on the day he went missing.
- He bought a single ticket out of nervousness.
- He either met this person right away and was driven somewhere, or if the Pizza Hut sighting is correct, he met him at a later predetermined time and predetermined place.

This case is so frustrating just because it should have been solved so easily. Even with the CCTV footage for a single camera opposite King's Cross and suddenly things would become a lot more clear. I feel horrendous for Andrew's family, because just thinking about that erased CCTV footage makes me feel uneasy, so for them, my god, I can't even imagine.
 
This case has really interested me since I heard about it on the Thin Air podcast. I'd been meaning to post my view for a while but after reading SJ16321's post, he's summed up what I think better than I could! I agree with all of his points and I have a few bits to add of my own.

I think this should have been a straightforward case but police incompetency has made it more mysterious than it should be. Like SJ16321, I also think Andrew was groomed online and met this person in London. Upon hearing and reading about the case, this was my initial theory, until his lack of internet access made me consider otherwise. I think this is a red herring though, and like SJ16321, I also think the return ticket is a red herring and a completely irrelevant piece of information.

Lack of computer access and avoiding the school bus - The lack of computer access is what initially confused me, as like I said, I immediately thought it was an online predator, then Andrew's Dad said that they didn't have internet access at home. Like SJ16321 said, Andrew would have had daily online access at school. Proxies were commonplace when I was around Andrew's age in 2003, and I even remember a website disguised as a work site that was actually a *advertiser censored* site, so blocking and filtering was inept and almost certainly would have been inept in Andrew's school in 2007.

When it got to his school internet access on the Thin Air podcast, this was quickly dismissed with "oh, the police checked the school computer's and didn't find anything". Based on how utterly incompetent the police were throughout this case, I think it's laughable to think that they would have been any more competent with checking Andrew's school internet access. I imagine they would have came into the school, asked the teacher what computer Andrew sat at in his IT class, loaded the computer, checked the history on Internet Explorer, and when nothing that was obviously suspicious appeared, finished their search. I'm unsure exactly how tracking works in a school but I imagine the internet history would be linked to the pupil's logon. I highly doubt the police would have isolated Andrew's internet access over the term and combed through each visited website, so I think dismissing this point with "the police checked it and found nothing" is incredibly unwise.

Regarding the bus journey home, I have a different theory on why he stopped taking the bus. I initially thought it may be due to bullying, and I do think bullying was a likely scenario in his life, however, with the bus, I feel like his Dad assumed that Andrew walked home, whereas I believe he may have missed the initial bus that he usually took and taken a later bus (even if he couldn’t take a school bus, it’s possible he could have taken a local bus). I feel that it’s possible he was using the computers after school to talk to the online predator he later met in London, then taking a later bus home and with the time it took, his parents either assumed he was walking or he lied and said he walked. I’ve also looked up the distance between his house and the school and it’s nearly 5 miles, or a 1 hour and 30 minute walk, which is a hell of a slog for someone walking home from school, and seems somewhat unrealistic for this to be done daily, even if he was being bullied. I looked up the buses and it seems that nowadays there are 2 buses that come around the time school finishes that take 25 minutes then after that the next bus is a minute walk down the road and takes around 45 minutes. Obviously things may have changed now, but I can’t imagine it’s changed massively. Andrew could have got this later bus after using the internet at school and based on the fact that his parents didn’t realise he was missing until dinner time, I think it’s fair to say that they didn’t know how long it would take him to get home, possibly due to them not being home until after he was.

Lack of a return ticket – I think this is a big red herring and is completely and utterly irrelevant. The only theory that him buying a single ticket would further is that he planned to either commit suicide or he planned to start a new life, both of which are utterly ridiculous theories. I’m making an assumption that Andrew was socially awkward based on what I’ve read and heard, so I imagine him saying “ticket to King’s Cross, please”, then the cashier asking if he wanted a return and him just grunting “no”, so he could get out of the conversation. Like SJ16321 said, he was probably scared that he would be found out for skipping school, so he would want to finish the conversation as soon as possible, and then deal with buying another ticket later when he wanted to come home. There’s also the possibility that he was confused on how a return worked, as he was potentially planning to stay with family in London so perhaps thought a return was only for the same day. I just think the lack of a return ticket is blown up into far more than it is just because it’s mysterious, “but if he wanted to return, why didn’t he buy a return ticket?!”. I really don’t think it’s important at all, and his Dad said as much.

Theories I believe are 100% incorrect

Suicide – This is a truly bizarre theory because it’s so unlikely that someone could commit suicide in a place he doesn’t live and for the body to not be found for 10 years. Granted, in the initial months of the case it would be possible albeit unlikely, but now, no way.
Starting a new life – This is also a truly bizarre theory because it wants you to believe that a 14 year old child could start a new life in a new city with no money and zero street smarts. Every time this theory gets brought up it’s always mentioned how “clever” Andrew is. Andrew may have been good at maths, but I’m sure we all knew a maths genius at school who had zero social skills. I’m not saying Andrew had zero social skills but his ability for maths is irrelevant to survival on the streets and the intricacies of starting a new life. A fully grown adult would find it hard, let alone a child. I also find amazing that his enjoyment of a TV series is brought up, like this 14 year old kid enjoyed a TV show about a man who started a new life and suddenly wanted to do it himself. I think this theory arose because his parents would have loved to have believed it was true, but it’s unrealistic on numerous levels.

My view on the timeline
- Andrew started talking online at the start of the new school term to someone who was grooming him.
- He started missing the bus home to talk to this person on the computer’s after school, taking a later bus.
- He arranged to meet this person on the day he went missing.
- He bought a single ticket out of nervousness.
- He either met this person right away and was driven somewhere, or if the Pizza Hut sighting is correct, he met him at a later predetermined time and predetermined place.

This case is so frustrating just because it should have been solved so easily. Even with the CCTV footage for a single camera opposite King's Cross and suddenly things would become a lot more clear. I feel horrendous for Andrew's family, because just thinking about that erased CCTV footage makes me feel uneasy, so for them, my god, I can't even imagine.

Welcome to Ws JG123!
Thanks for your excellent first post, much food for thought.
Maybe Andrew was actually getting a ride home from someone after school..
speculation.
:welcome:
 
Welcome to Ws JG123!
Thanks for your excellent first post, much food for thought.
Maybe Andrew was actually getting a ride home from someone after school..
speculation.
:welcome:

Thank you.

Yeah, I did consider that he may have got a lift home with someone, but I quickly wrote it off solely because I think it would have been noticed. It also doesn't really fit with any theory, because I think it's unlikely that it was someone local who he met in London.
 
This case has really interested me since I heard about it on the Thin Air podcast. I'd been meaning to post my view for a while but after reading SJ16321's post, he's summed up what I think better than I could! I agree with all of his points and I have a few bits to add of my own.

I think this should have been a straightforward case but police incompetency has made it more mysterious than it should be. Like SJ16321, I also think Andrew was groomed online and met this person in London. Upon hearing and reading about the case, this was my initial theory, until his lack of internet access made me consider otherwise. I think this is a red herring though, and like SJ16321, I also think the return ticket is a red herring and a completely irrelevant piece of information.

Lack of computer access and avoiding the school bus - The lack of computer access is what initially confused me, as like I said, I immediately thought it was an online predator, then Andrew's Dad said that they didn't have internet access at home. Like SJ16321 said, Andrew would have had daily online access at school. Proxies were commonplace when I was around Andrew's age in 2003, and I even remember a website disguised as a work site that was actually a *advertiser censored* site, so blocking and filtering was inept and almost certainly would have been inept in Andrew's school in 2007.

When it got to his school internet access on the Thin Air podcast, this was quickly dismissed with "oh, the police checked the school computer's and didn't find anything". Based on how utterly incompetent the police were throughout this case, I think it's laughable to think that they would have been any more competent with checking Andrew's school internet access. I imagine they would have came into the school, asked the teacher what computer Andrew sat at in his IT class, loaded the computer, checked the history on Internet Explorer, and when nothing that was obviously suspicious appeared, finished their search. I'm unsure exactly how tracking works in a school but I imagine the internet history would be linked to the pupil's logon. I highly doubt the police would have isolated Andrew's internet access over the term and combed through each visited website, so I think dismissing this point with "the police checked it and found nothing" is incredibly unwise.

Regarding the bus journey home, I have a different theory on why he stopped taking the bus. I initially thought it may be due to bullying, and I do think bullying was a likely scenario in his life, however, with the bus, I feel like his Dad assumed that Andrew walked home, whereas I believe he may have missed the initial bus that he usually took and taken a later bus (even if he couldn’t take a school bus, it’s possible he could have taken a local bus). I feel that it’s possible he was using the computers after school to talk to the online predator he later met in London, then taking a later bus home and with the time it took, his parents either assumed he was walking or he lied and said he walked. I’ve also looked up the distance between his house and the school and it’s nearly 5 miles, or a 1 hour and 30 minute walk, which is a hell of a slog for someone walking home from school, and seems somewhat unrealistic for this to be done daily, even if he was being bullied. I looked up the buses and it seems that nowadays there are 2 buses that come around the time school finishes that take 25 minutes then after that the next bus is a minute walk down the road and takes around 45 minutes. Obviously things may have changed now, but I can’t imagine it’s changed massively. Andrew could have got this later bus after using the internet at school and based on the fact that his parents didn’t realise he was missing until dinner time, I think it’s fair to say that they didn’t know how long it would take him to get home, possibly due to them not being home until after he was.

Lack of a return ticket – I think this is a big red herring and is completely and utterly irrelevant. The only theory that him buying a single ticket would further is that he planned to either commit suicide or he planned to start a new life, both of which are utterly ridiculous theories. I’m making an assumption that Andrew was socially awkward based on what I’ve read and heard, so I imagine him saying “ticket to King’s Cross, please”, then the cashier asking if he wanted a return and him just grunting “no”, so he could get out of the conversation. Like SJ16321 said, he was probably scared that he would be found out for skipping school, so he would want to finish the conversation as soon as possible, and then deal with buying another ticket later when he wanted to come home. There’s also the possibility that he was confused on how a return worked, as he was potentially planning to stay with family in London so perhaps thought a return was only for the same day. I just think the lack of a return ticket is blown up into far more than it is just because it’s mysterious, “but if he wanted to return, why didn’t he buy a return ticket?!”. I really don’t think it’s important at all, and his Dad said as much.

Theories I believe are 100% incorrect

Suicide – This is a truly bizarre theory because it’s so unlikely that someone could commit suicide in a place he doesn’t live and for the body to not be found for 10 years. Granted, in the initial months of the case it would be possible albeit unlikely, but now, no way.
Starting a new life – This is also a truly bizarre theory because it wants you to believe that a 14 year old child could start a new life in a new city with no money and zero street smarts. Every time this theory gets brought up it’s always mentioned how “clever” Andrew is. Andrew may have been good at maths, but I’m sure we all knew a maths genius at school who had zero social skills. I’m not saying Andrew had zero social skills but his ability for maths is irrelevant to survival on the streets and the intricacies of starting a new life. A fully grown adult would find it hard, let alone a child. I also find amazing that his enjoyment of a TV series is brought up, like this 14 year old kid enjoyed a TV show about a man who started a new life and suddenly wanted to do it himself. I think this theory arose because his parents would have loved to have believed it was true, but it’s unrealistic on numerous levels.

My view on the timeline
- Andrew started talking online at the start of the new school term to someone who was grooming him.
- He started missing the bus home to talk to this person on the computer’s after school, taking a later bus.
- He arranged to meet this person on the day he went missing.
- He bought a single ticket out of nervousness.
- He either met this person right away and was driven somewhere, or if the Pizza Hut sighting is correct, he met him at a later predetermined time and predetermined place.

This case is so frustrating just because it should have been solved so easily. Even with the CCTV footage for a single camera opposite King's Cross and suddenly things would become a lot more clear. I feel horrendous for Andrew's family, because just thinking about that erased CCTV footage makes me feel uneasy, so for them, my god, I can't even imagine.
All good points i especially agree about the return ticket being a major red herring. One thing though with him using the computers after school. Wouldn't this have been known about by the school and passed onto the police? I know the police were pretty much useless when investigating his disappearance but If he was staying behind late regularly to use the computers wouldn't the school have noticed? Presumably they had some kind of records of the kids that stayed later to use the computers.

Or do you mean he was using computers outside of the school?
 
All good points i especially agree about the return ticket being a major red herring. One thing though with him using the computers after school. Wouldn't this have been known about by the school and passed onto the police? I know the police were pretty much useless when investigating his disappearance but If he was staying behind late regularly to use the computers wouldn't the school have noticed? Presumably they had some kind of records of the kids that stayed later to use the computers.

Or do you mean he was using computers outside of the school?

You make a very good point, I hadn't thought further regarding the logistics of staying behind after school. I never stayed after school for any reason other than sport, so I didn't think about that. I assume that some kind of supervision would have to be in place. Perhaps the library would be less stringent, but you'd hope the librarian would have noticed someone coming in daily. One thing I've found with Andrew is that he appears almost anonymous. I expected to hear more about his friends but I'm assuming he didn't really have any, as I've never heard it mentioned at any length about talking to his friends. Even his parents descriptions of him are very generic. He seemed like a person who flew under the radar. But you're right, I think it would be noticed and possibly logged.

I checked out the route Andrew would have had to walk home and like SJ16231 said, the Cantley Library is a very minor detour along the route Andrew would have had to walk home, so perhaps he could have gone into that library on his way home. His Dad makes a comment on the Thin Air Podcast about the local library being checked - "in the local library system where he sometimes visited" - so it's known that he went to a library, but I'm assuming his Dad is talking about the Balby Library. I've looked on the Cantley Library website and it says the following:

* Internet Access is available free of charge for the first two hours then is charged at a cost of £1.00 per hour or part thereafter. Guests are charged 50p for half an hour and £1.00 per hour or part thereafter (excluding under 16's or exempt borrowers).

This is what it says now, so I used the archive.org website to check back further, and the earliest page I can see for the Cantley Library is from 2011 and it says the following:

*Internet Access is available free of charge for the first hour then is charged at a cost of £1.35 per hour or part thereafter (excluding under 16’s or exempt borrowers).

So it seems that things haven't changed much and under 16's are not charged for internet access. I'm curious whether guests were allowed in 2007 but I'd assume so based on how little libraries change. If they are then we can surmise that Andrew could have got free internet access that wasn't linked to his name in the Cantley Library. Again, there's the possibility that someone would and should have noticed him coming in regularly, but after thinking about it further it would be more realistic that he wouldn't be noticed in an outside library, whereas like John.121 said, it would be more likely he'd be noticed in a school environment.

Was the fact that he stopped taking the bus ever elaborated on? I've quickly skimmed through the Thin Air podcast but can't find it.

EDIT: I've looked further on the Doncaster Libraries website from December 2012 and it says this:

a parent or guardian of children aged under 16 must give their agreement to allow the child to use the Internet

If this was in place in 2007 then it would kill the theory I posted above about him having free internet access that wasn't linked to his name.
 
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