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Did anyone ask about the relatives who live close to London and the relationship Andrew had with them?

Said it on here a month or two ago but I'm surprised there's so little reported about them considering they lived 20-30 miles away from the city he went missing and he'd met them and had some form of relationship and possible contact.
 
Did anyone ask about the relatives who live close to London and the relationship Andrew had with them?

Said it on here a month or two ago but I'm surprised there's so little reported about them considering they lived 20-30 miles away from the city he went missing and he'd met them and had some form of relationship and possible contact.
He said at the start that his theory for why Andrew didn’t buy a return ticket was because he may have had in his mind to do what he had to do in London and then visit one of the relatives to stay over at their house and come back the next day or when his parents would be less mad at him for missing school etc. Given this, it seems like Andrew had to have known the relatives quite well and had decent contact with them otherwise why would his father speculate this? If he’d only met the relatives like once in his life and barely knew them it seems extremely unlikely that he would just go and randomly seek them out of the blue for assistance rather than just go back home and face the music after finishing his day in London. His father theorising this would imply that they were pretty close relatives and Andrew had been to see them several times and knew where they lived. I would like to know how often the family went to see them with Andrew. Was he in London visiting these relatives with his parents a couple of months or few weeks before ? Maybe he met someone then who enticed him back
 
Did anyone ask about the relatives who live close to London and the relationship Andrew had with them?

Said it on here a month or two ago but I'm surprised there's so little reported about them considering they lived 20-30 miles away from the city he went missing and he'd met them and had some form of relationship and possible contact.
Direct quotes from an interview given by Andrew’s father Kevin:

What happened on the day of Andrew’s disappearance in 2007? Take us
through the day!


I last saw him going out the front door in his school uniform. We said, “Bye, see you later” to one another and that is the last time we spoke... /SNIPPED/ ...The one way ticket is a cause for speculation but we didn’t think it so odd because we knew he could easily get himself to a number of family members in London and it would not have been unlike him just to have thought he would work out a return journey later on.

Who did he know in London? Were these people “cleared”?

My parents, couple of aunts, couple of uncles, some old friends of mine. They were among the first people we called and remain as baffled as we are. And yes, they were “cleared” by the Police side of things.

Full interview here The Disappearance of Andrew Gosden. Interview with Kevin Gosden.
 
I finally finished watching Jason Hebert's interview with Kevin Gosden. (I'd missed the beginning when it aired.)

ETA link to interview:

My opinions:
Kevin (KG) talks about Andrew having a noticably harder time waking up the morning he went to London than usual. I don't want to speculate too much today about stress / anxiety / depression, I do think the atypical difficulty waking up is significant.

KG explained that as far as boy scouts- Andrew said he enjoyed the camp, but the weekly meetings weren't really his cup of tea, so they were fine with him quitting. (Paraphrasing.). No indications of a problem at boy scouts. It rang true to me.

As far as the one-way ticket to London, KG really didn't find that significant. He said they felt one likely possibly is that Andrew had something he wanted to do in London, knew they wouldn't be keen to have him skip school to do it, so he might have planned to head to a relative in London's house afterwards so he could face-the-music with his parents the next day.

I would ask KG, Did Andrew actually have that kind of relationship with any London relative? Had he ever called or visited London relatives on his own without a parent suggesting it?

KG talked about Andrew's lack of interest in the Internet and lack of opportunity to be groomed online. I know grooming can happen quickly, but that it didn't seem likely rang true for me.

All JMO.
 
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Ditto, please.

I can’t figure out how to attach a photo to a private message. If you know, let me know. Otherwise if you want to PM me your email address I can send it that way.
 
Just noticed that Andrew's fingernails are quite long, is that something he just likes, or does he play guitar? imo.
Wondering if there is any commonality between Andrew and the other mps included at link?
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Andrew would now be 26 (Image: BBC)
The mysterious stories of Yorkshire's missing people
 
Just noticed that Andrew's fingernails are quite long, is that something he just likes, or does he play guitar? imo.
Wondering if there is any commonality between Andrew and the other mps included at link?
0_Andrew-Gosden-2.png

Andrew would now be 26 (Image: BBC)
The mysterious stories of Yorkshire's missing people

Wow! Those nails are super long. They look perfect, almost like tips from a manicurist. Was that a thing back then? An average young teen male with long nails? I don’t think so. Not in my memory nor in my google searching.

I don’t know what to make of it one way or the other, but nails that long strike me as very feminine. But Andrew doesn’t look feminine otherwise. And it’s almost like he is purposely showing off his nails in that pic.
 
Has anyone ever found a profile pic of Andrew? If yes, can you please share it here.
 
rbbm.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/4467221/mystery-andrew-gosden-doncaster-boy-one-way-ticket-london-ten-years-ago-never-seen-again/

Pic above, ear very visible.
It seems that a number of brilliant students have mysteriously disappeared over the years, so- where do super smart people go? imo, speculation.
Snippets from the various people who knew Andrew.
23 May 2009 By Anna Moore
Runaway child: 'How can a kid disappear from the face of the earth?’ | Daily Mail Online
''We’ve come up with all sorts of explanations over the months, but we’ve settled on a couple of favourites,’ says Kevin. ‘The first is that he went back to a new school term and, ten days in, thought, “GCSEs? A-levels? More hoops to jump through.” Maybe he thought, “I’d rather go off and be my own person.”’

In some ways, Andrew had the right personality for this. ‘He certainly thought very deeply around faith and philosophy. Not long before he went, he was reading Beyond Good and Evil by Nietzsche.’ Andrew was also self-possessed and mature, gravitating towards adult company. Though he had a small, close group of friends, he’d stopped seeing them outside school.

‘I actually got quite worried about his lack of socialising outside school, but he was adamant that everything was fine,’ says Kevin.''

''Who knows what Andrew looks like now? ‘He cannot lose his glasses without being blind as a bat, but he was growing his hair long and planning to dye it black,’ says Kevin. ‘But if he is alive and well and trying to avoid detection, he is quite bright enough to shave his head and wear very different clothing. Andrew was highly capable of advanced strategic thinking. No mean chess player.’

Kevin has e-mailed every school in the UK, and every entry to the Goth scene, as Andrew’s taste in music was heading in this direction. He is now working through the museums – Andrew loved museums – and the gay and transgendered community (‘That’s not based on anything we know – just thinking what might be hard for a 14-year-old to deal with,’ says Kevin)''.

''Laura Oxenham, 16, has known Andrew since primary school
‘If you didn’t know Andrew, you’d think he was quiet. Once you got to know him, he wasn’t. He was lively, fun, really intelligent. I think when we got to secondary school, he changed a bit. He had two close friends, but shut himself off from a lot of people.''

''Alan Murray, vicar, neighbour, friend (and father of Sandy, above)
‘I saw Andrew as an absent-minded professor, a brilliant mathematician''

''Martin Taylor, Andrew’s maths teacher
‘Andrew had a good sense of humour, which I liked; but he was also capable of doing calculations in his head that no one else could contemplate — with answers into the billions.''

''Eileen Johnstone, family friend
‘I’ve known him since he was a babe. ''
‘Andrew always had such a lovely smile, and was always kind, always loving. We used to go over to his house to eat and play board games. Andrew would flatten me. In Scrabble, he played words I hadn’t even heard of.''
 
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The book last read by Andrew before his disappearance was Beyond Good and Evil by Nietzsche .
Just a thought, did he go to France, fed up with England? Wild thought, what if he converted to Orthodox Judaism, dressing and looking totally different now?
The opposite of that is depicted in this film based on a true story,'' Unorthodox''..
Unorthodox: a thrilling story of rebellion and freedom from New York to Berlin

rbbm. speculation, imo. fwiw
Beyond Good and Evil - Wikipedia
''On nations, peoples and cultures
Nietzsche discusses the complexities of the German soul (§244), praises the Jews and heavily criticizes the trend of German antisemitism (§251). He praises France as "the seat of Europe's most spiritual and refined culture and the leading school of taste" (§254). He finds the English coarse, gloomy, more brutal than the Germans, and declares that "they are no philosophical race", singling out Bacon, Hobbes, Hume and Locke as representing a "debasement and devaluation of the concept 'philosopher' for more than a century" (§252). Nietzsche also touches on problems of translation and the leaden quality of the German language (§28).

In a prophetic statement, Nietzsche proclaims that "The time for petty politics is past: the very next century will bring with it the struggle for mastery over the whole earth" (§208).''
 
rbbm.
Kevin has e-mailed every school in the UK, and every entry to the Goth scene, as Andrew’s taste in music was heading in this direction. He is now working through the museums – Andrew loved museums – and the gay and transgendered community (‘That’s not based on anything we know – just thinking what might be hard for a 14-year-old to deal with,’ says Kevin)''.

I don't understand this statement made by Kevin. Andrew "loved the gay and transgendered community" but that was not based on anything his parents knew, just speculation? Why say that he loved them if he had no indication? Seems like an odd statement. Did he mention this just so he could sound inclusive in case that was the case about Andrew? Or was it poor writing on the part of the journalist and that was prompted by a question such as "How did Andrew view the gay and transgendered community?"
 
Whenever I hear Andrew’s dad talking he always seems quite flippant and doesn’t give very clear and concise answers about much. For example, when asked about the man who came to a police station stating he has information and then left, he says something akin to “I don’t know if he was ever identified, was he? He did reach out again I believe but who knows”. About some of the other sightings it’s “yeah we think so it could have been I mean we don’t know, do we?”. He seems as if he’s as in the dark as the rest of us.

Given this has been since 2007 shouldn’t he have a bit more clarity on these things? Don’t the police communicate with him? I’ve noticed this with a few different missing persons cases and murders based out of the U.K. too: When you listen to the relatives involved in American crimes and disappearances like the Delphi sister and others they seem to have encyclopaedic knowledge of the cases despite it happening much more recently. They can answer a lot of things with definitive answers. Does anyone know why this is? Do British police never keep up with the relatives and parents of missing and murdered people in the U.K. or something?
 
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