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11:03OLIVIA WILLIAMS
“Ian Fitzgibbon is separate towards all others charged, in that there is no evidence to suggest at all that Ian Fitzgibbon would do the beckon call of Mr Barry, which is the prosecution's case. That’s the prosecution's case. If you take the prosecution's case that Mr Barry is a person with whom organisers and those involved did the beckon call to, you have clear blue water between Ian Fitzgibbon and the rest of the dock, because Ian Fitzgibbon does not do the beckon call of Mr Barry. We know this because of the words of Ms Dale.
Message June 23, Ashley Dale to Olivia McDowell, responding to a message in which she is told Ian Fitzgibbon is coming to Glastonbury: “Yeyy fab see you soon.”
Mr Cooper added: “Ms Dale is pleased that Ian Fitzgibbon and his girlfriend are going to join them. No beef. No feud. If there was a feud between Ian Fitzgibbon and Lee Harrison, Ms Dale very sadly would know about it.
“The prosecution rely upon the words of Ms Dale as evidence against the defence. You have been referred to her words, poignant. Well if the prosecution say you can rely on Ms Dale’s words in that way to support their case, so to can you rely on Ms Dale’s words in the same way if they support Ian Fitzgibbon's case. The prosecution can’t have it both ways. They can’t say here we’re referring to Ms Dale’s words and you should take them as a directive of your thoughts, then what she says about Ian Fitzgibbon and Daisy you should doubts.
“The important thing here is that when there is a dispute between Ian Fitzgibbon and Mr Barry, you can take it that Ian Fitzgibbon is telling the truth. There is no evidence of any agenda that Ian Fitzgibbon had at all. He was at Glastonbury with his girlfriend. The suggestion of an agenda is simply plucked out of the air without any evidential foundation whatsoever. Throughout this trial, lots of suggestions, lots of innuendos, lots of guesswork. Pitifully little evidence.”
11:09OLIVIA WILLIAMS
“If you believe Ian Fitzgibbon, it does give you some direction you’re dealing with a witness telling the truth without fear nor favour. Mr Barry says no I didn’t show the knife, no I didn’t speak to Ian Fitzgibbon. Let’s look at the evidence to assist you that Ian Fitzgibbon is a witness of truth. Perhaps at grave risk to himself. Being called a grass is not a good thing. Also to establish the relationship Ian Fitzgibbon had with Lee Harrison and Ashley Dale at this time, going back to the central point. It goes right to the heart of our submissions. Ian Fitzgibbon is not just a man with no axe to grind, he is a man who is friends with Lee Harrison and Ashley Dale. It is incredulous that the change should take place.
“Is he telling the truth? When Mr Fitzgibbon was telling you about seeing the knife, withdrawn from Mr Barry’s trousers or pocket, you may have noticed Mr Fitzgibbon was standing, thinking it through and visualising it as he showed you. A witness of truth thinking carefully about what he saw. He told you he saw it near the stage, by the wire fencing. He was very detailed in what happened and what he saw. He is not prepared to lie as far as Mr Barry is called and is not prepared to help the prosecution if it’s a lie. The prosecution saw him photographs of a knife. How easy would it have been if Ian Fitzgibbon was putting the boot in for Ian Fitzgibbon to agree with the prosecution and say, that’s the knife.
"A lying witness would do that. It’s an easy thing to do. Mr greaney is going to be pleased with the answer. Mr Fitzgibbon says no I can’t be sure that is the knife I saw. I can’t be sure that is the knife I saw. Does that not tell you, there is a witness trying to give the right evidence. Not, oh yeah, that’s the knife. No, said Fitzgibbon. I’m not sure that is the knife I saw. Mr Fitzgibbon is a witness of truth. If you think he is a witness of truth or might be a witness of truth, this helps you on whether you can rely on him as a credible witness. He might not be giving the answers the prosecution want, but he is giving truthful answers. If you are of the view he might be truthful here, you also are driven to the conclusion he might be truthful throughout his evidence.”
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Mr Cooper continues: “Glastonbury, the events of Glastonbury 2022, are important. You will have to decide whether Ian Fitzgibbon is telling you the truth about what happened at Glastonbury between him and Niall Barry.“Ian Fitzgibbon is separate towards all others charged, in that there is no evidence to suggest at all that Ian Fitzgibbon would do the beckon call of Mr Barry, which is the prosecution's case. That’s the prosecution's case. If you take the prosecution's case that Mr Barry is a person with whom organisers and those involved did the beckon call to, you have clear blue water between Ian Fitzgibbon and the rest of the dock, because Ian Fitzgibbon does not do the beckon call of Mr Barry. We know this because of the words of Ms Dale.
Message June 23, Ashley Dale to Olivia McDowell, responding to a message in which she is told Ian Fitzgibbon is coming to Glastonbury: “Yeyy fab see you soon.”
Mr Cooper added: “Ms Dale is pleased that Ian Fitzgibbon and his girlfriend are going to join them. No beef. No feud. If there was a feud between Ian Fitzgibbon and Lee Harrison, Ms Dale very sadly would know about it.
“The prosecution rely upon the words of Ms Dale as evidence against the defence. You have been referred to her words, poignant. Well if the prosecution say you can rely on Ms Dale’s words in that way to support their case, so to can you rely on Ms Dale’s words in the same way if they support Ian Fitzgibbon's case. The prosecution can’t have it both ways. They can’t say here we’re referring to Ms Dale’s words and you should take them as a directive of your thoughts, then what she says about Ian Fitzgibbon and Daisy you should doubts.
“The important thing here is that when there is a dispute between Ian Fitzgibbon and Mr Barry, you can take it that Ian Fitzgibbon is telling the truth. There is no evidence of any agenda that Ian Fitzgibbon had at all. He was at Glastonbury with his girlfriend. The suggestion of an agenda is simply plucked out of the air without any evidential foundation whatsoever. Throughout this trial, lots of suggestions, lots of innuendos, lots of guesswork. Pitifully little evidence.”
11:09OLIVIA WILLIAMS
'Being called a grass is not a good thing'
Mr Cooper contunues: “The crux of this is that Mr Fitzgibbon has told you on oath that Mr Barry came up to him at Glastonbury and said have you seen Lee Harrison, showed Mr Fitzgibbon a knife, and says if you see Saz tell him I’m going to stab him up. You heard what Mr Barry said about that, he didn’t show a knife and say those words directly to Ian Fitzgibbon. Ian Fitzgibbon said no, I’m not going to follow the script on this. I’m going to tell the jury the truth. You’re going to have to decide who you believe.“If you believe Ian Fitzgibbon, it does give you some direction you’re dealing with a witness telling the truth without fear nor favour. Mr Barry says no I didn’t show the knife, no I didn’t speak to Ian Fitzgibbon. Let’s look at the evidence to assist you that Ian Fitzgibbon is a witness of truth. Perhaps at grave risk to himself. Being called a grass is not a good thing. Also to establish the relationship Ian Fitzgibbon had with Lee Harrison and Ashley Dale at this time, going back to the central point. It goes right to the heart of our submissions. Ian Fitzgibbon is not just a man with no axe to grind, he is a man who is friends with Lee Harrison and Ashley Dale. It is incredulous that the change should take place.
“Is he telling the truth? When Mr Fitzgibbon was telling you about seeing the knife, withdrawn from Mr Barry’s trousers or pocket, you may have noticed Mr Fitzgibbon was standing, thinking it through and visualising it as he showed you. A witness of truth thinking carefully about what he saw. He told you he saw it near the stage, by the wire fencing. He was very detailed in what happened and what he saw. He is not prepared to lie as far as Mr Barry is called and is not prepared to help the prosecution if it’s a lie. The prosecution saw him photographs of a knife. How easy would it have been if Ian Fitzgibbon was putting the boot in for Ian Fitzgibbon to agree with the prosecution and say, that’s the knife.
"A lying witness would do that. It’s an easy thing to do. Mr greaney is going to be pleased with the answer. Mr Fitzgibbon says no I can’t be sure that is the knife I saw. I can’t be sure that is the knife I saw. Does that not tell you, there is a witness trying to give the right evidence. Not, oh yeah, that’s the knife. No, said Fitzgibbon. I’m not sure that is the knife I saw. Mr Fitzgibbon is a witness of truth. If you think he is a witness of truth or might be a witness of truth, this helps you on whether you can rely on him as a credible witness. He might not be giving the answers the prosecution want, but he is giving truthful answers. If you are of the view he might be truthful here, you also are driven to the conclusion he might be truthful throughout his evidence.”
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Ashley Dale murder trial as it happens
The 28-year-old was shot dead at her home on Leinster Road in Old Swan