GUILTY UK - Ashley Wadsworth, 19, Canadian, murdered 1st Feb 2022, Chelmsford, Essex *Arrest*

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Jealoushe said:
A lot of misconceptions about why people get tattoos here. Some of us just like the artwork.
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Today I learned I am about 5% body surface away from a personality disorder.

From this People article:

"Authorities are asking neighbors to submit their surveillance video, or anyone else with information to submit a tip online at https://www.essex.police.uk."
Mormon Teen Who Traveled to U.K. to Share Faith with Online Boyfriend Found Murdered in His Bed

I take that to mean they are not ruling out there was more trouble and the murder was the final incident. Breaks my heart to think she was (possibly) abused and murdered by the man she was willing to give up everything for.
 
His under-eye tattoo is definitely something I would advise against. And I personally would think twice before going on a date with someone with a similar tattoo. But we cannot say he was clearly not right just because he had that tattoo. For all we know he had it done at 18, drunk, and now, 5 years later he was a reformed man and wanted to get rid of the tattoo but did not have the funds. We simply don't know.

We only know that he stabbed to death a young woman that clearly cared for him.
 
PhoebeTries said:
His under-eye tattoo is definitely something I would advise against. And I personally would think twice before going on a date with someone with a similar tattoo. But we cannot say he was clearly not right just because he had that tattoo. For all we know he had it done at 18, drunk, and now, 5 years later he was a reformed man and wanted to get rid of the tattoo but did not have the funds. We simply don't know.

We only know that he stabbed to death a young woman that clearly cared for him.
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But the problem is excess.
It usually indicates:
- obsessions
- addictions
- lack of impulse control, etc, etc.
 
PhoebeTries said:
Today I learned I am about 5% body surface away from a personality disorder.

From this People article:

"Authorities are asking neighbors to submit their surveillance video, or anyone else with information to submit a tip online at https://www.essex.police.uk."
Mormon Teen Who Traveled to U.K. to Share Faith with Online Boyfriend Found Murdered in His Bed

I take that to mean they are not ruling out there was more trouble and the murder was the final incident. Breaks my heart to think she was (possibly) abused and murdered by the man she was willing to give up everything for.
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He may have presented himself in an innocent way and completely disarmed her emotionally.
As in, "I love you ,and and we were meant to be together, and I'd never hurt a flea ..." Etc.
My guess is at some point she realized she was in trouble but it was too late ?
 
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Big difference in terms of social acceptance between body tattoos and facial ones. I saw a gorgeous lad on telly the other day, with a teardrop under his eye, and that does not have good connotations. I'm pretty sure when I looked at old family pics on FB that Sepple's is relatively recent, like in the last couple of years.

Do we know what his job was? Had he been to college / uni?
 
Westjet airlines have offered to help bring Ashley home. Her dad and stepmom are going to London to bring her home. They raised over thirty four thousand dollars. They will be donating to a charity in her name to others who have fallen victim to domestic violence.
 
LietKynes said:
He may have presented himself in an innocent way and completely disarmed her emotionally.
As in, "I love you ,and and we were meant to be together, and I'd never hurt a flea ..." Etc.
My guess is at some point she realized she was in trouble but it was too late ?
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I expect it was more the presence of his parents that made her and her family feel it was safe. If he'd had his own apartment, I like to think she wouldn't have gone to live with this man she'd never met - but it happens, and when it works out it becomes happily ever after.

IMO plenty of men who kill their girlfriends don't have tattoos.
 
PhoebeTries said:
Today I learned I am about 5% body surface away from a personality disorder.
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That's actually quite interesting. Has your total tattooed area been plateauing and, even if you feel an urge to enjoy it as a hobby you choose to have more work done on your existing ones rather than get more new ones? From your posts you seem like a rational person so if you look at yourself in the mirror and say "Yeah this is about the right total amount of tattoos to have" that gives us anecdotal evidence in support of what the study suggests. Perhaps an irrational person sees the same rthing and steps on the gas instead.

I read some additional more substantial studies on prisoners and their tattoos, most of those studies tallied the total number of different tattoos they had rather than the amount of their body covered by them. Facial tattooing always speaks of a conscious rejection of normal society though - and even having that in a person's past is worth noting.
 
evilwise said:
That's actually quite interesting. Has your total tattooed area been plateauing and, even if you feel an urge to enjoy it as a hobby you choose to have more work done on your existing ones rather than get more new ones? From your posts you seem like a rational person so if you look at yourself in the mirror and say "Yeah this is about the right total amount of tattoos to have" that gives us anecdotal evidence in support of what the study suggests. Perhaps an irrational person sees the same rthing and steps on the gas instead.

I read some additional more substantial studies on prisoners and their tattoos, most of those studies tallied the total number of different tattoos they had rather than the amount of their body covered by them. Facial tattooing always speaks of a conscious rejection of normal society though - and even having that in a person's past is worth noting.
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Not to be rude but I don’t think that @PhoebeTries was being serious at all, particularly since it’s been mentioned that the “study” is rubbish.

Also, and I don’t mean to overstep, since your comment is directed at @PhoebeTries and not me, I find attempts to “psychoanalyse” (if it can be called that) other users a bit uncomfortable and intrusive, particularly if the prodding is going to be used as a way to try to prove or disprove something.

Again, this is my opinion only and I’m sorry if I’m out of line
 
Smkd said:
Not to be rude but I don’t think that @PhoebeTries was being serious at all, particularly since it’s been mentioned that the “study” is rubbish.

Also, and I don’t mean to overstep, since your comment is directed at @PhoebeTries and not me, I find attempts to “psychoanalyse” (if it can be called that) other users a bit uncomfortable and intrusive, particularly if the prodding is going to be used as a way to try to prove or disprove something.

Again, this is my opinion only and I’m sorry if I’m out of line
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Although I find it keenly interesting I'm sorry if you or anyone else feels personally attacked by my discussion of the coincidence of tattooing with problematic behavior but there are dozens and dozens if not hundreds of not-rubbish scientific studies conducted regularly for over a century that so consistently establish it there's really no debate that it exists.

The most current study publicly available on the topic, quite appropriately for this case based on data by the Cambridge Study on Delinquent Development (a study of British men like our suspect) while acknowledging and citing over 70 other studies corroborating the association of tattooing and a plethora of antisocial behaviors this particular subject goes to the additional measure of collecting a matched sample of untattooed individuals that match certain psychological characteristics and concluded that there is not a causal relationship between tattooing and criminal behavior, their research "suggests that personality traits (e.g., individual risk factors) assessed in early childhood such as daring disposition, low nonverbal intelligence, nervous/withdrawn, extraversion, neuroticism, and psychomotor impulsivity, are associated with both tattoos and crime over the life-course." (Jennings, Fox, Farrington 2013)

Inked into Crime? An Examination of the Causal Relationship between Tattoos and Life-Course Offending among Males from the Cambridge Study in Delinquent Development - ScienceDirect

I invite you to read this relatively succinct research paper and especially to look over its own exhaustively cited sources. I will specifically say that I have not personally read any research whatsoever regarding tattoos on women as it does not relate to the topic of this thread and that any personal remarks I might have made about any specific user's tattoos and especially any woman's tattoos are entirely casual and conversational based entirely on my own personal reflection.
 
JuicyLucy said:
I don't really understand the preoccupation with his tattoos. I'm not a fan myself but if we're looking for evidence that he may not be optimally mentally healthy, the fact that he was found lying in bed next to a freshly despatched dead body is good enough for me tbh.

JMHO

Link for the facts: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/murder-accused-boyfriend-found-lying-26139086
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The core reason that I use this forum is to gain insight into the sort of circumstances under which people are acutely in danger so as to protect the people I love from danger, and help other members do the same.

After they've stabbed someone to death is a bit late to be identifying dangerous people.
 
evilwise said:
Although I find it keenly interesting I'm sorry if you or anyone else feels personally attacked by my discussion of the coincidence of tattooing with problematic behavior but there are dozens and dozens if not hundreds of not-rubbish scientific studies conducted regularly for over a century that so consistently establish it there's really no debate that it exists.

The most current study publicly available on the topic, quite appropriately for this case based on data by the Cambridge Study on Delinquent Development (a study of British men like our suspect) while acknowledging and citing over 70 other studies corroborating the association of tattooing and a plethora of antisocial behaviors this particular subject goes to the additional measure of collecting a matched sample of untattooed individuals that match certain psychological characteristics and concluded that there is not a causal relationship between tattooing and criminal behavior, their research "suggests that personality traits (e.g., individual risk factors) assessed in early childhood such as daring disposition, low nonverbal intelligence, nervous/withdrawn, extraversion, neuroticism, and psychomotor impulsivity, are associated with both tattoos and crime over the life-course." (Jennings, Fox, Farrington 2013)

Inked into Crime? An Examination of the Causal Relationship between Tattoos and Life-Course Offending among Males from the Cambridge Study in Delinquent Development - ScienceDirect

I invite you to read this relatively succinct research paper and especially to look over its own exhaustively cited sources. I will specifically say that I have not personally read any research whatsoever regarding tattoos on women as it does not relate to the topic of this thread and that any personal remarks I might have made about any specific user's tattoos and especially any woman's tattoos are entirely casual and conversational based entirely on my own personal reflection.
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Really not the point I was trying to make here, but sure.

I must say too, I’m bored of all this tattoo talk since it’s been going in circles for days and I feel it’s inconsequential to the matter at hand.
 
evilwise said:
The core reason that I use this forum is to gain insight into the sort of circumstances under which people are acutely in danger so as to protect the people I love from danger, and help other members do the same.

After they've stabbed someone to death is a bit late to be identifying dangerous people.
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But even if you could come up with a scientifically agreed formula, you'd still have to ask everyone you meet to strip naked and submit to a calculation of their total tattoo surface as a proportion of their body surface as a whole. Tbh, I'm not sure it would be them that would end up looking like the weirdo. ;)
 
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