Still Missing UK - Bernadette Walker, 17, left parent's car, Peterborough, 21 July 2020 *Arrests* #3

[Tortoise]

I'm still a bit confused by Uldale Way.

From the Peterborough Telegraph 17th June:

[Early hours of Sunday 19th] At 3.08am, eight steps were recorded on Scott’s phone, and the phone was connected to a cell site in Gunthorpe for almost two hours and 20 minutes, from 3.06am until 5.23am. [so 2 mins after the car stops, he walks a short distance from the car]

Ms Wilding said GPS data put Scott’s phone in the vicinity of Ulldale Way for that period - and he returned to the lock up garage at 5.37am

"...what we do say is it may have been a time when Scott Walker was able to dispose of the body.”

Looking from the air and Google street view, that's a residential area of houses and gardens. A body could only be disposed of there if he had access to a property in that vacinity. I can't find any reference to one. So why was he there at all? Sleeping in the car? 8 steps for a pee?

I've missed a lot of the past two days' discussions, so I hope I'm not repeating anything you sleuths have already gone over - my impression from SaW's activities on the afternoon of Sunday 19th, leaving her phone at a friend's house while she went walkies with BW's phone around Westwood, and the previous day (18th) at around 6pm also going to Westwood (Spar) with BW's phone, but on that occasion making the mistake of having their own phones connecting with BW's phone in Westwood, was that they were learning as they went along how to try to deal with the problems of their phones being traced while wanting to set up a false trail for BW. It seems to me as if this then became their priority - there was nothing they could do about the mistakes of the previous day but they did fairly quickly devise a new system after the 6pm trip to Westwood on the Saturday, which involved using their phones to mislead investigators.

So I think when ScW went to the lockup in the early hours of Sunday and took a photo of a male face (why don't they clear up if it was a stranger's face and not say of himself or selfie?) and then his phone was in the vicinity of Gunthorpe for 2hrs 20min, he left the phone after those 8 steps at 3:08am. He could have hidden it behind something, deliberately leaving it switched on to mislead, and come back to get it after his deeds of that early morning.

He had 2hrs 20mins to drive out and back again, and dispose, which fits with the pattern of a lot of other cases of bodies hidden about 20 miles from their home ground. It seems to be a thing to do with not venturing outside areas they know very well, know where they can be out of view, but not wanting it on their doorstep, and wanting to get it done quickly before they are stopped with a body, IMO.

 

[Tortoise]

I'm wondering if -

Saturday - ScW puts BW in the lockup
Saturday night - SaW goes with ScW to see the body at the lockup
Sunday early hours - ScW goes to dig a burial site leaving the body still in the lockup
Monday early hours - ScW and SaW retrieve the body from the lockup and bury her together, with her phone.

It feels like a fit for me with SaW being the one who is in control of ScW, and overseeing how she wanted it done.

 

[Alternative Paradox]

Could he have hidden his mobile somewhere whilst he went somewhere else?

The literal truth is that the phone did not move from that location in that time.

Whether ScW was in proximity to that phone for the duration, or part of, that time is not known.

You may well hypothesise he was engaged in nefarious activities, or just asleep!

 

[Alyce]

Ok I know that criminal investigations are never as they seem on tv, but come on, they've got to be more than THIS! Just one guy searching that whole thing?? It just looks like casually looking for stuff! Same when it came to the field searches, like people just casually poking around out there. Idk maybe the US is just more intense or something bc I've seen whole backyards and areaas dug up, to not even find anything before. Like ground penetrating radar! Isn't that a thing? I hope we hear of more technology being used to help find her.

there was a team of about 4 if I remember , just not showing all of them in those particular photos. They also spent several days there, so it wasn’t a quick search.

 

[Skigh]

there was a team of about 4 if I remember , just not showing all of them in those particular photos. They also spent several days there, so it wasn’t a quick search.

I think there were also pictures showing all the contents out of the lock up ,and being searched.

 

[Alternative Paradox]

I'm wondering if -

...Sunday early hours - ScW goes to dig a burial site leaving the body still in the lockup
Monday early hours - ScW and SaW retrieve the body from the lockup and bury her together, with her phone....

I wonder if there is any (forensic) evidence to point to the digging of a grave or immersion of clothing?

If not, I would theorise that the disposal site was dry and above ground - as in using and abandoned/little visited/derelict building (although that is more than a tad risky and imo more liable for discovery).

 

[Tortoise]

ScW lived in Spalding in 2004 & 2005. This is a copy of the electoral register search results from Ancestry .com which I have an account with.

Name: Scott R Walker
Birth Date: 1969-1971
Residence Date: 2004-2005
Address: 8, Harrow Road, Deeping St. Nicholas, PE11 3ES
Residence Place: Spalding, Lincolnshire, England

I'm wondering if she's buried anywhere near Deeping St Nicholas, near the church.

 

[CSIAngus]

Could he have hidden his mobile somewhere whilst he went somewhere else?

But then he didn't do that at other times. Just as easy to switch it off if you were ping aware.

 

[Alternative Paradox]

But then he didn't do that at other times. Just as easy to switch it off if you were ping aware.

Unless of course, being ping-aware, you wish to deliberately mislead...

 

[Tortoise]

Unless of course, being ping-aware, you wish to deliberately mislead...

That's what I think - they knew that if their phones were off all night that wouldn't be in their usual habit, and police might ask if your child is missing why isn't your phone ON in case they need to contact you, so leave them on at places you don't mind being tracked to because any evidence there is going to be removed by the time anyone looks, and switch off the phones only when absolutely critical and having no alternative, for which they could blame no signal rather than off.

 

[gunthorpe-guy]

I grew up in Gunthorpe - i dont think he went down uldale way.
7-8 minutes from Fane road takes you to a car park at some shops just before you get into the countryside. Uldale Way backs on to this car park and is connected by a short path.
I think he stopped at the car park and hid Bernadette's bag, with his own phone in - before going out towards Newborough / Spalding.
IMO

 

[CSIAngus]

ScW lived in Spalding in 2004 & 2005. This is a copy of the electoral register search results from Ancestry .com which I have an account with.

Name: Scott R Walker
Birth Date: 1969-1971
Residence Date: 2004-2005
Address: 8, Harrow Road, Deeping St. Nicholas, PE11 3ES
Residence Place: Spalding, Lincolnshire, England

I'm wondering if she's buried anywhere near Deeping St Nicholas, near the church.

Opening up a recently filled grave would make an excellent diposal site as long as you could tidy it up well in the pitch dark. But it's quite near houses and I don't think their sentiment for BW extended to consecrated disposal. But it is interesting that Deeping St Nicholas is on the A1175 and potentially on their route to/from the Apple Garage. He will have a mental map of the area which could be useful in the dark.

 

[SpursGyal]

Cambridge Crown Court 1 T20207197
Sarah Walker
Scott Walker
Details: Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:54
Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 1 Continues - 11:10


Juror must be feeling better today.

 

[Tortoise]

Opening up a recently filled grave would make an excellent diposal site as long as you could tidy it up well in the pitch dark. But it's quite near houses and I don't think their sentiment for BW extended to consecrated disposal. But it is interesting that Deeping St Nicholas is on the A1175 and potentially on their route to/from the Apple Garage. He will have a mental map of the area which could be useful in the dark.

I think SaW liked to imagine all kinds of things about herself, where she was a kind of precious and had starlike qualities in her videos. I don't think she would allow anyone to destroy or sully that fantasy world where SaW was queen, and that's why BW had to go. IMO

I miss and love my eldest princess so much
I know my baby girl wouldn't be out in the open

It makes me think she ordered a special burial for her daughter, fitting with all her pretences, even to herself and if no one else would ever know. JMO

 

[CSIAngus]

I grew up in Gunthorpe - i dont think he went down uldale way.
7-8 minutes from Fane road takes you to a car park at some shops just before you get into the countryside. Uldale Way backs on to this car park and is connected by a short path.
I think he stopped at the car park and hid Bernadette's bag, with his own phone in - before going out towards Newborough / Spalding.
IMO

Wouldn't her bag be in the lock up by then? Hiding the phone somewhere in the public realm for later retreaval would show cunning not displayed at other times, but is clearly plausible. Also, I thought his vehicle was fitted with a tracking device.

 

[Tortoise]

Wouldn't her bag be in the lock up by then? Hiding the phone somewhere in the public realm for later retreaval would show cunning not displayed at other times, but is clearly a plausible. Also, I thought his vehicle was fitted with a tracking device.

No tracking device. It was identified by CCTV and ANPR cameras.

 

[gunthorpe-guy]

Wouldn't her bag be in the lock up by then? Hiding the phone somewhere in the public realm for later retreaval would show cunning not displayed at other times, but is clearly a plausible. Also, I thought his vehicle was fitted with a tracking device.

I'm speculating he decided there was something best to leave behind whilst searching for the burial site, so he pulled into that car park near Uldale Way and hid something in one of the bushes / bins / alleyway that is within the 8 steps.

Regarding how cunning ScW is, this is something I can't place. He seems to ignore GPS tracking when at the garage and whilst sending messages, yet still seems to turn the phone off during the key events. Another thing I can't place is the nature of ScW and SaW relationship...

Hopefully the trial will reveal all

 

[Alyce]

I'm wondering if -

Saturday - ScW puts BW in the lockup
Saturday night - SaW goes with ScW to see the body at the lockup
Sunday early hours - ScW goes to dig a burial site leaving the body still in the lockup
Monday early hours - ScW and SaW retrieve the body from the lockup and bury her together, with her phone.

It feels like a fit for me with SaW being the one who is in control of ScW, and overseeing how she wanted it done.

That makes sense of the multiple journeys. Also allows them to choose a burial site further afield with the preparation having been done on the Sunday.

 

[CSIAngus]

That's what I think - they knew that if their phones were off all night that wouldn't be in their usual habit, and police might ask if your child is missing why isn't your phone ON in case they need to contact you, so leave them on at places you don't mind being tracked to because any evidence there is going to be removed by the time anyone looks, and switch off the phones only when absolutely critical and having no alternative, for which they could blame no signal rather than off.

I think you're on the right lines but that they're just not clever enough. I expect (hope) for more evidence about movements. I think there are now only two windows of opportunity for disposal: the time ScW's phone was in the vacinity of Uldale Way and the Apple Garage road trip. The latter could be ScW showing SaW where he'd buried her, with BW's phone tossed into the Welland near Cowbit.

 

[jackal67]

Cambridge Crown Court 1 T20207197
Sarah Walker
Scott Walker
Details: Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:54
Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 1 Continues - 11:10


Juror must be feeling better today.

Good news