UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #7

[MajorLang]

Not on PC at moment just on phone. Can you look?

 

[Yozzer]

But I’m sure you for one would welcome a family member with open arms yes ?

I would imagine family members have been told to steer clear of sites like this.

 

[Yozzer]

Its at a 90 degrees angle.. Its on the paved area which services the private driveways. The front of the the vehicle is facing the drive way the rear is facing the road.

Ok thanks, The reason I ask is that it has been suggested there was a car parked parallel but on the kerb/grass near the 'children crossing' sign. However, this would not have been possible as there are several barriers (outside 43/41), in particular two mini bollards which are both visible (and look like wheels!) plus street signage.
I'm not sure the car in the driveway/pavement area puts on reversing lights. Rather I think this is the reflection of the possibly reversing Ford Focus (whose lights are visible in the house windows) on the car's rear reflectors/reversing lights. Will look again later.

 

[keep-it-real]

Is it in this parking area @keep-it-real

@keep-it-real

So is the car parked parallel to Heworth Road or is it on a 90 degree angle exiting a driveway?

Yozer Ive just had a closer look at its positioning it may not be completely at 90 degrees so dont take that as a given looking at different frames it maybe that it has pulled onto the paved area at an angle which would allow it to pull off again without having to reverse out onto the road.
The cctv has a lsight delay as youve seen elsewhere so always allow for this equally important the angle of the cctv camera when trying to anaylise the footage avail .

 

[LuluR38]

Thank you, but can't see enough.

I think there’s nowt there...

 

[LuluR38]

I dont think he was a panicker in my opinion he was focused and disciplined skills he learnt through his martial arts training.

In an article in the York Press its reports that That during an attack he ignored their objections and those of anyone nearby and tried to terrify them into silence. You would have thought he would have run away when challenged by the male and a bouncer that came to the womans rescue but no he stood his ground saying the woman was his girfriend!

When he attempted the rape of the woman in a house in 2013 he was thrown out of the house at 1.30 and he then prowled the streets to find another victim the 23yr old who he abducted and raped in a 5 hour ordeal.

York rapist jailed for life

Interesting I noted from this article that it says he has children... and that it says The crimes of the 37-year-old of Jamaican origin began when he was a hotel waiter and spotted a woman on her own in Coney Street late at night in 2009.

Claudia worked at a few hotels - the quality hotel in picadilly and the monk bar in picadilly - where are these in relation to coney street? Do we know where he worked as a waiter?

That's the one.
It has only recently been updated. But prior to the Judge Rinder insert it hadn't been updated for years.
As an aside-I always wondered why the POIs companies never contributed to this websites efforts to fundraising?

But what's the REAL tell tale for me is that the only arrested person named on here was Snelling.
It didn't mention the Ruanes, Robinson, Cooper????

Was the publisher frightened to or for another reason?

no it’s because they’re not allowed to risk identifying them because identity is an issue and it’s an ongoing investigation thay could be jeopardised by naming the arrested people likely ...

 

[MajorLang]

Claudia worked at a few hotels - the quality hotel in picadilly and the monk bar in picadilly - where are these in relation to coney street? Do we know where he worked as a waiter?

no it’s because they’re not allowed to risk identifying them because identity is an issue and it’s an ongoing investigation thay could be jeopardised by naming the arrested people likely ...

I understand that but they don't even mention 4 men being arrested.
Yet they mention the arrest of the 50 year old man-Probably Snelling.
Inconsistent here. Probably because it's too close to home.

 

[MajorLang]

We have heard the following before:
Cuba 'lover' in Claudia quiz

It appears Police were not convinced by this evidence.
But what about the mention of her computer????
All other press mentions have said that Claudia didn't use Social Media or even have a computer.

I believe that even her friends have stated she did not have a computer.
Any comments on this?

 

[Thelastleg]

We have heard the following before:
Cuba 'lover' in Claudia quiz

It appears Police were not convinced by this evidence.
But what about the mention of her computer????
All other press mentions have said that Claudia didn't use Social Media or even have a computer.

I believe that even her friends have stated she did not have a computer.
Any comments on this?

I find it strange that Claudia didn't have access to the Internet if only to browse for holidays, clothes etc. I guess they know that her phone didn't have Internet capability. If she had a laptop or tablet at home she would have needed a phone line to connect. either by WiFi or dial up connection. That would seem easy to check, by her phone bill. That is if she had a phone line in the house. Also her bank statements would show if she bought anything online. Was PayPal a thing then?

 

[Yozzer]

The 5am mystery date that Claudia's friend kept secret ... One year on, a tantalising new clue about the missing chef's last hours | Daily Mail Online
Just to refresh re boyfriends....
1)
Asked why the colleague had suddenly disclosed this information, Det Supt Galloway said it was a frustrating feature of the investigation that some (male) friends had been 'reluctant to be candid' with police.

Whenever Galloway used this phrase, he meant past boyfriends who had a partner/spouse. Is Galloway intimating that DO also had some form of (past) relationship with her and was protecting his marriage by not placing himself under the spotlight?

2)
It means, of course, Claudia was involved with at least two men last March. The other man, known to police, was not married but was in a serious relationship and seeing Claudia secretly. Might the 'mystery boyfriend' be in a similar position or could there be a much more sinister reason for his decision not to come forward?

The long term boyfriend, known to police, could not have been AC who was/is married. Therefore could AC, who did not fit the profile of the other arrested men who were self employed in building trade, be the mystery boyfriend? If not, how did he become a person of interest to the extent of being suspected of her murder? Was he known to give her lifts to work?

 

[Yozzer]

@MajorLang
I believe that even her friends have stated she did not have a computer.
Any comments on this?
Was it put out there in an attempt to flush out her killer?

 

[keep-it-real]

Heres the best shot I can get of the person crossing the road .. this is from the limes court camera
I have managed to capture the person before they cross the road , they appear to be looking left probably looking left and right for traffice before crossing or perhaps if they were looking ot for someone if they were waiting for a lift this gives me a view of the face.
Its a female with long hair tucked behind one ear, wearing a jacket which to me appears similar to a denim jacket, I cant make out clearly the legwear but its possibly jeans with mid calf boots, she also appears to be carrying something it looks like a light coloured box ( I had to take a close up up the screen with my mobile so if you see a dark oblong or square shapes ignore these ) in the manner of if you were carrying a small boxed item with both hands.
In my opinion it looks like Claudia .. I have added a second photo because although the image outline is not good if you let your eyes adjust you can make out her face which looks in my opinion like Claudia ..
Personally I think we can safely say that she left the house as normal on the morning of the 19th March

 

[Andyboy]

Heres the best shot I can get of the person crossing the road .. this is from the limes court camera
I have managed to capture the person before they cross the road , they appear to be looking left probably looking left and right for traffice before crossing or perhaps if they were looking ot for someone if they were waiting for a lift this gives me a view of the face.
Its a female with long hair tucked behind one ear, wearing a jacket which to me appears similar to a denim jacket, I cant make out clearly the legwear but its possibly jeans with mid calf boots, she also appears to be carrying something it looks like a light coloured box ( I had to take a close up up the screen with my mobile so if you see a dark oblong or square shapes ignore these ) in the manner of if you were carrying a small boxed item with both hands.
In my opinion it looks like Claudia .. I have added a second photo because although the image outline is not good if you let your eyes adjust you can make out her face which looks in my opinion like Claudia ..
Personally I think we can safely say that she left the house as normal on the morning of the 19th March

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Top marks for effort I'd say, but maybe my eyes are getting old, can't see too much personaly

 

[Andyboy]

Maybe it is a female, but maybe not claudia, if so that narrows down my list of possibles to 1

 

[Andyboy]

And if she is carrying a box, which to be honest I can't make out, would it be large enough to carry a pair of hair straighteners for example, amongst possibly other things

 

[Yozzer]

Heres the best shot I can get of the person crossing the road .. this is from the limes court camera
I have managed to capture the person before they cross the road , they appear to be looking left probably looking left and right for traffice before crossing or perhaps if they were looking ot for someone if they were waiting for a lift this gives me a view of the face.
Its a female with long hair tucked behind one ear, wearing a jacket which to me appears similar to a denim jacket, I cant make out clearly the legwear but its possibly jeans with mid calf boots, she also appears to be carrying something it looks like a light coloured box ( I had to take a close up up the screen with my mobile so if you see a dark oblong or square shapes ignore these ) in the manner of if you were carrying a small boxed item with both hands.
In my opinion it looks like Claudia .. I have added a second photo because although the image outline is not good if you let your eyes adjust you can make out her face which looks in my opinion like Claudia ..
Personally I think we can safely say that she left the house as normal on the morning of the 19th March

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Is this taken from the Ford Focus cctv?

 

[keep-it-real]

Maybe it is a female, but maybe not claudia, if so that narrows down my list of possibles to 1

I'll try and look at it a bit more Andy. Your right to be cautious it may not be Claudia I'll see what else I can see in and around those frames that may show us some more detail..

 

[Andyboy]

I'll try and look at it a bit more Andy. Your right to be cautious it may not be Claudia I'll see what else I can see in and around those frames that may show us some more detail..

As I say can't fault your efforts or persistence, all this technology is too much for my luddite brain

 

[keep-it-real]

As I say can't fault your efforts or persistence, all this technology is too much for my luddite brain

This might help Andy
1... points to persons head and face
2.. Points to whats shes carryingwith both hands.. possibly a white box
3.. Points to a rucksack
4.. Points to legwear

 

[keep-it-real]

Is this taken from the Ford Focus cctv?

Yes.. @ 1.54-1.56 on the clip