UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #21

[Shiressleuth]

Sorry for quoting my own post, but think I found the answer:

Aware of this figure mentioned previously but wasn't clear that the vast majority of this was the cost of searching LF. Not sure how this breaks down over 5 months.



https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague

It is estimated the investigation has cost over £1.2million to date, the vast majority of this relating to the cost of searching the site.

The Police & Crime Commissioner for Suffolk understood the necessity to do this work and provided the funds for this search.

At the end of January, investigation costs were reported as £300,000. So the majority of the rest (£900,000) would mainly be the LF search. So that would be approx £45,000 per week by my calculations. The offer by the Flex owner is therefore very generous IMO. Will SP accept those terms?

 

[Scorpio1]

Suffolk police have not stopped the search due to lack of money, they have stopped due to lack of reliable evidence to direct them ware to search next, IMO the cell they were searching is finished , so ware next? They can't just randomly start searching all over the landfill , they first need to pin point another area of interest , I'm sure that if sp knew ware to look next they would still be searching the landfill today but IMO they don't ,

 

[jessie]

As the Police Force is a public service it is strange to me that there could even be a suggestion that they can be paid privately to perform certain duties.
I understand some forces do collaborate with different services in some sectors, but what is being offered here is a step too far.
Also as NU has often stated she thinks other people are involved (in a possibly criminal sense) in her son's disappearance to even suggest some form of payment/donation towards one line of enquiry is so unprincipled imo. AOIMO of course.

 

[Shiressleuth]

A pathologist or forensic anthropologist would be able to say definitely more or less on the spot if they were human or not.

I was looking at earlier posts and came across your reply here Melmoth where you and I agreed about this. What is your opinion about incinerated bones? Would that make it difficult for these professionals to quickly identify them as human?

 

[wellawoo]

Yes and also no apparent forensic traces in the HS itself, or bins or lorries yet LE seem convinced he went in the bin to LF. So no forensics does not mean he was not there it seems. I.e absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, as they say. We have the evidence entering the HS (the cctv) but zero evidence he left. That does not mean he never left however. I believe he walked out up SB and got a lift not caught on any cctv. It seems to be the only explanation if he is not found in LF or incinerator waste. Nothing has been mentioned about cardboard bales and whether that takes place at GB or RL. All confusing and JMO where appropriate.

Yes I agree, C leaving the HS in this way makes the most sense. Someone left the HS 4 mins after C went in. 4 minute man didn't see C. Because C turned and went into SB and into a car. Then 4 min man entered the HS unseen by the camera and was caught on camera exiting HS. He didn't see C because C had already left.
JIMO but to me this is the most obvious answer to how he wasn't seen by anyone and how he got out of HS


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[Shiressleuth]

As the Police Force is a public service it is strange to me that there could even be a suggestion that they can be paid privately to perform certain duties.
I understand some forces do collaborate with different services in some sectors, but what is being offered here is a step too far.
Also as NU has often stated she thinks other people are involved (in a possibly criminal sense) in her son's disappearance to even suggest some form of payment/donation towards one line of enquiry is so unprincipled imo. AOIMO of course.

Maybe I have misunderstood the offer. Perhaps this will be a private search? Could that happen or would it be deemed as interfering with a police investigation?

 

[Scorpio1]

I was looking at earlier posts and came across your reply here Melmoth where you and I agreed about this. What is your opinion about incinerated bones? Would that make it difficult for these professionals to quickly identify them as human?

I presume that they could tell quite quickly with the larger bones that would likely be more intact then the smaller bones as they know the age and hight etc of c, so should IMO not take to long,

 

[Shiressleuth]

Yes I agree, C leaving the HS in this way makes the most sense. Someone left the HS 4 mins after C went in. 4 minute man didn't see C. Because C turned and went into SB and into a car. Then 4 min man entered the HS unseen by the camera and was caught on camera exiting HS. He didn't see C because C had already left.
JIMO but to me this is the most obvious answer to how he wasn't seen by anyone and how he got out of HS


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Yes it would explain his exiting the HS but the phone and presumably C also did not then leave the BSE mast area for another 50 minutes. Where was he for that time therefore?

 

[wellawoo]

Yes it would explain his exiting the HS but the phone and presumably C also did not then leave the BSE mast area for another 50 minutes. Where was he for that time therefore?

I'm not convinced he was with his phone. He wasn't seen on cctv on it and even if he knew it had run out of battery I would expect him to at least check it after waking from drunken sleep. I'd have thought it would be a pretty common first reaction for someone of his age.
The phone could have been lost a lot earlier or he could have dropped it or flung it. Idk but there's no evidence he had his phone when waking from the doorway as far as I know, so no reason to tie him to the phone.


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[Shiressleuth]

I'm not convinced he was with his phone. He wasn't seen on cctv on it and even if he knew it had run out of battery I would expect him to at least check it after waking from drunken sleep. I'd have thought it would be a pretty common first reaction for someone of his age.
The phone could have been lost a lot earlier or he could have dropped it or flung it. Idk but there's no evidence he had his phone when waking from the doorway as far as I know, so no reason to tie him to the phone.


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You may be right there. One of my early theories was that the three teens had found the phone and had tossed it when they found no use for it. Could that be possible info that the reward is prompting?

 

[Miss_French]

Suffolk police have not stopped the search due to lack of money, they have stopped due to lack of reliable evidence to direct them ware to search next, IMO the cell they were searching is finished , so ware next? They can't just randomly start searching all over the landfill , they first need to pin point another area of interest , I'm sure that if sp knew ware to look next they would still be searching the landfill today but IMO they don't ,

Exactly. And part of the independent review will be to look at the landfill search and consider what, if any, further action is needed there.

 

[Miss_French]

Maybe I have misunderstood the offer. Perhaps this will be a private search? Could that happen or would it be deemed as interfering with a police investigation?

The cost of the investigation includes police wages, but I'm sure I've read where MM has mentioned a company name when he has thanked those searching the landfill; something Brothers? Could it be them providing the JCB? Plant hire could be privately funded. Not classes as a criminal investigation, though:

*"We reiterate that although it is not a criminal investigation, our work to locate Corrie remains on-going."

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/police-a...ng-missing-corrie-mckeague-s-family-1-5120354

 

[altojack]

At the end of January, investigation costs were reported as £300,000. So the majority of the rest (£900,000) would mainly be the LF search. So that would be approx £45,000 per week by my calculations. The offer by the Flex owner is therefore very generous IMO. Will SP accept those terms?

He used to own Flex but is the guy behind Topthelot Casino online. Didn't he have Corrie on his online site at one time, which didn't go down too well with MM if I remember correctly.

This case has frazzled my brain somewhat. I need to go back to the beginning I think.

 

[Shiressleuth]

He used to own Flex but is the guy behind Topthelot Casino online. Didn't he have Corrie on his online site at one time, which didn't go down too well with MM if I remember correctly.

This case has frazzled my brain somewhat. I need to go back to the beginning I think.

IIRC he owns/owned the Flex building but the nightclub business itself is owned by others. JMO.

 

[Bedouin]

The three teens still stick in my mind too, I don't know if it's just because they were mentioned so early on in the search, but there were images of people pretty close to the HS area within 5 minutes of C's last sighting, but they weren't mentioned early on. It makes me think the teens were either acting strangely when they were spotted or the time was even closer than the other images.

 

[PS8800]

Well SS what I gathered from the link I posted was the the brother thinks C in the bin was due to third party involvement.
It was reported in that link that noone saw C get in the bin?? - but on the other hand no one saw anyone put C into the bin either - everyone caught on CCTV has been spoken to and nobody noticed anyt

Strange as if there was some dispute/attack that resulted in an unconscious C being put into a bin none of the many people about noticed or heard anything unusual? Seemed to be reasonably busy around that time of the morning so surely a fracas would have been noticed?

eta - The comment from C's brother that C sometimes slept in the middle of dance floors astonishes me. How normal is this ??

I do recall as a young 20 something seeing people sleeping on the seats-almost boothlike-on the dancefloor, ie not on the actual floor itself. Very common. I may even have momentarily sneaked in a little shut eye once after a few too many, too much studying and not enough sleeping. You get woken soon enough by staff.

 

[PS8800]

I'm not convinced he was with his phone. He wasn't seen on cctv on it and even if he knew it had run out of battery I would expect him to at least check it after waking from drunken sleep. I'd have thought it would be a pretty common first reaction for someone of his age.
The phone could have been lost a lot earlier or he could have dropped it or flung it. Idk but there's no evidence he had his phone when waking from the doorway as far as I know, so no reason to tie him to the phone.


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There is a video of his mother walking retracing his steps on cctv. She says after he wakes up a friend receives a pic from him-on his mobile. Which would be evidence that he had his mobile after waking.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35803...aces-missing-sons-steps-good-morning-britain/

 

[PS8800]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/06/hunt-missing-raf-gunner-corrie-mckeague

"After the error was identified, Haydn Stephens, a waste disposal worker with Biffa, who also happens to be a special constable – a part-time, volunteer police officer – was arrested on suspicion of perverting the course of justice but released without charge. He works as a traffic dispatcher for the waste management firm and helps assign drivers to vehicles and collection routes."

IMO it is at times apparent when there is somebody involved-directly or indirectly who is covering their *advertiser censored* for whatever reason which in turn affects the case majorly. Ive felt this about this case from the start. Confusion, loose ends, miscalculations and youre normally talking someone who ISNT giving or giving at least accurate info/leaving out details.

 

[Shiressleuth]

There is a video of his mother walking retracing his steps on cctv. She says after he wakes up a friend receives a pic from him-on his mobile. Which would be evidence that he had his mobile after waking.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35803...aces-missing-sons-steps-good-morning-britain/

IIRC this was later discounted because it turned out that the pic was only received at 03.08 a.m. UK time and it was not known when it was sent. It could have been anytime in the evening apparently.

 

[Greater Than]

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