Found Deceased UK - Gaia Pope, 19, Swanage, Dorset, 7 Nov 2017 #1

[Alyce]

This case reminds me of the Helen Bailey murder. I know you know the details but for the benefit of those who didn't follow it, Ian Stewart laid a story of her being upset and leaving a note saying she had gone to her holiday cottage and didn't want to be contacted. He wanted suicide to be on everyone's mind, said her coat was missing, and it took police 4 months to find her body in the sewer underneath their garage.

She hadn't gone anywhere yet there were witnesses who came forward to say they had seen her driving around in the area of her holiday home, and even a lady who knew Helen saying she had seen Helen (after her murder) and she remembered it because she had a hair appointment that afternoon and it had been raining and she knew it had to be that day because she wouldn't usually have driven to her hairdressers. Prosecution were able to show she was mistaken about the day because there was cctv of Ian Stewart at the dump disposing of their duvet and it wasn't raining at that time.

So it's a bit like this dashcam footage of the person leaning into the car at 11:30pm on the night Gaia was missing - it's a red herring.

PE needs to explain how offering his car to police to check, in that first week when they asked him where he was, could possibly prove he was in Weymouth at the time. It shows his knowledge that a car was used in relation to Gaia, and conflicts with his mum's story that Gaia left on foot.

The only question I have is did he use his own car or another car?

I agree re the dashcam. Don't think that is Gaia.

And yes, re PE offering his car - that shows his train of thought.

His actions in general, whilst they might be totally innocent, don't look too great I would have thought,from a police perspective.
When NE and RD were taken in on Monday 13th, PE - allegedly - was there, shouting out to them that everything would be fine.
But then, rather than staying local to offer support to his mother and nephew ( and sister ) he high tails it up to Romsey to his estranged father's home.
And, as soon as they get word that RD and NE are being released on the 14th, off goes PE with a mate for a few beers - instead of staying around to support them.
But, as soon as the clothing is found, then he appears again, with handy solicitor at his side.
If he has done nothing wrong, he's certainly acting oddly.

I think there's another car involved. I did wonder earlier about a possible work van for PE, but as we havent heard anything in msm re this ( and likely we would have ) then I'm going back to thinking another car.
Question is, who's car was it. If it was a mate then they must be a very good one, to be saying nothing, even though they surely would have joined the dots by now, if they had, for instance, lent their car out on the night of November 7.
I wonder if the police were able to search the Weymouth house whilst they had PE in custody?

 

[mrazda71]

I agree re the dashcam. Don't think that is Gaia.

And yes, re PE offering his car - that shows his train of thought.

His actions in general, whilst they might be totally innocent, don't look too great I would have thought,from a police perspective.
When NE and RD were taken in on Monday 13th, PE - allegedly - was there, shouting out to them that everything would be fine.
But then, rather than staying local to offer support to his mother and nephew ( and sister ) he high tails it up to Romsey to his estranged father's home.
And, as soon as they get word that RD and NE are being released on the 14th, off goes PE with a mate for a few beers - instead of staying around to support them.
But, as soon as the clothing is found, then he appears again, with handy solicitor at his side.
If he has done nothing wrong, he's certainly acting oddly.

I think there's another car involved. I did wonder earlier about a possible work van for PE, but as we havent heard anything in msm re this ( and likely we would have ) then I'm going back to thinking another car.
Question is, who's car was it. If it was a mate then they must be a very good one, to be saying nothing, even though they surely would have joined the dots by now, if they had, for instance, lent their car out on the night of November 7.
I wonder if the police were able to search the Weymouth house whilst they had PE in custody?

It's surprising what friends, even acquaintances will do ... thinking of Jaydene Parsons and the Demetrious brothers and anyone else they dragged into it ...

They sat there, at some point, pooping bricks, wondering what was in their shed but still didn't call police themselves asap which would likely have meant less or no jail time for them ...

 

[Tortoise]

The other thing that might not be explained is NE and his mum driving around looking for Gaia that night.

 

[Diva_Detective]

The other thing that might not be explained is NE and his mum driving around looking for Gaia that night.

could be that NE was told to as it looks good but DE has no idea whats gone on as PE, RD and possibly GE are all telling NE to not tell mum she will crack under pressure/it will break her heart.. ?

 

[Tortoise]

could be that NE was told to as it looks good but DE has no idea whats gone on as PE, RD and possibly GE are all telling NE to not tell mum she will crack under pressure/it will break her heart.. ?

Hard to know. I'd like to think if it were my 19 yr old son he wouldn't be able to act so convincingly in those circumstances.

 

[Mrs_Columbo]

Hi all - following desperately, can't get this case out of my mind!
*first time posting*

Gaia Pope’s family says police are keeping them in the dark over teenager’s disappearance

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.in...-family-kept-in-dark-police-a8062246.html?amp

Got to pop out now, but hope for some developments as the search continues

Mrs C

 

[Tortoise]

I agree re the dashcam. Don't think that is Gaia.

And yes, re PE offering his car - that shows his train of thought.

His actions in general, whilst they might be totally innocent, don't look too great I would have thought,from a police perspective.
When NE and RD were taken in on Monday 13th, PE - allegedly - was there, shouting out to them that everything would be fine.
But then, rather than staying local to offer support to his mother and nephew ( and sister ) he high tails it up to Romsey to his estranged father's home.
And, as soon as they get word that RD and NE are being released on the 14th, off goes PE with a mate for a few beers - instead of staying around to support them.
But, as soon as the clothing is found, then he appears again, with handy solicitor at his side.
If he has done nothing wrong, he's certainly acting oddly.

I think there's another car involved. I did wonder earlier about a possible work van for PE, but as we havent heard anything in msm re this ( and likely we would have ) then I'm going back to thinking another car.
Question is, who's car was it. If it was a mate then they must be a very good one, to be saying nothing, even though they surely would have joined the dots by now, if they had, for instance, lent their car out on the night of November 7.
I wonder if the police were able to search the Weymouth house whilst they had PE in custody?

Would the press have discovered and reported a search warrant on his Weymouth property? They like to release information like that even when police haven't confirmed it.

 

[Tortoise]

:Welcome1:Mrs_C!

 

[Alyce]

Would the press have discovered and reported a search warrant on his Weymouth property? They like to release information like that even when police haven't confirmed it.

Yes, good point. The press would likely have put this info out, one way or another !
So it looks as though it hasnt happened.

 

[Diva_Detective]

Hard to know. I'd like to think if it were my 19 yr old son he wouldn't be able to act so convincingly in those circumstances.

True, but younger ones do it with less life experience so you are right, it is really hard to know
But i found this whilst reading...
Hope i am not breaking the rules if so please tell me and i will remove it.

He is a budding actor/movie extra and quoted here saying
[FONT=&amp] "I am passionate about drama. After being picked for Dunkirk the whole experiance gave me more determination than ever to fulfill my dream of becoming an Actor" - [/FONT]https://www.starnow.com/nathanelsey

As referenced by the DailyMail online here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ams-seen-Gaia-Pope-s-home-Swanage-Dorset.html

 

[Ironside]

The police may well be using the press to put pressure on a certain person. They likely have searched the property in Weymouth but perhaps media have been asked to focus only on what's happened in Swanage. Focusing on PE might be taking media pressure away from NE who I think is most likely the main suspect.


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[Armchair_Defective]

People have been questioning why the clothes were not found in the initial search and then concluding that someone planted them after the first search. This statement would seem to confirm there was no official full search in that area.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-42014538

"An area near Durlston Country Park has been cordoned off after a member of the public found the clothes.Senior investigating officer Neil Devoto, said: "Following the discovery of these items of clothing, a full and thorough search will now take place in the field and surrounding area.
"We have seized the clothing and investigations will now be carried out to identify who they belong to."

So if we take it as the clothes being there anytime from when Gaia was last seen, there are two possibilities. Either she placed them there herself after getting up near the cliffs - or someone else dumped them there.

If it was someone else I don't think it would be unusual that clothes are dumped away from the initial crime scene out in the countryside. If it was past 4pm it would be dark and the field chosen might look very remote in the dark and like a good place to dump them. Although it seems somewhat hurried in this case, perpetrators do 'spread out' evidence to try and make piecing things together more complex for investigators, so there end up being multiple crime scenes - scene of the crime - where the body is - where the clothes are - where a weapon is etc. Someone mentioned it would be easier to dump the clothes in a bin, maybe not if who ever did it was up near the cliffs and felt the panic of having them in their car.

 

[Tortoise]

Police confirmed yesterday that they had already searched that area. I linked the article yesterday.

I think what they are saying is that they are now looking to see if anything else has been moved there since their search.

 

[clockness]

Police confirmed yesterday that they had already searched that area. I linked the article yesterday.

I think what they are saying is that they are now looking to see if anything else has been moved there since their search.

Helicopters would definitely have scanned the area even if no search on foot

 

[Atoz]

People have been questioning why the clothes were not found in the initial search and then concluding that someone planted them after the first search. This statement would seem to confirm there was no official full search in that area.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-42014538

"An area near Durlston Country Park has been cordoned off after a member of the public found the clothes.Senior investigating officer Neil Devoto, said: "Following the discovery of these items of clothing, a full and thorough search will now take place in the field and surrounding area.
"We have seized the clothing and investigations will now be carried out to identify who they belong to."


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I think various MSM sources linked further back have confirmed that that area was searched by police, volunteers and also by some sort of search and rescue team.

Perhaps the person who subsequently dumped the clothes there was someone who volunteered in the initial search of that area.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Police confirmed yesterday that they had already searched that area. I linked the article yesterday.

I think what they are saying is that they are now looking to see if anything else has been moved there since their search.

Was it this from the Sun?

"A family friend described the discovery of women's clothing, including a white trainer, as"very odd" and that it raised questions of when they were left there despite the area already having been searched.They added: "The area where the clothes were found has been searched before, both by the coastguard and by our search teams.
"Our community searchers have been there multiple times and never found anything.
"Its next to a working quarry and the farmer has been around there too.
"As far as we know they were found in open field not hidden which raises questions about when they were there.''

It still doesn't confirm police searched it or how thorough the search was. It's the opinion of a family friend that the area was searched thoroughly.

 

[Kitkat28]

I'm a bit stuck with this case. There were only 9 posts in the first 4 days of the thread being posted and so much of the important info we normally get early on in cases just isn't there.

The only thing that sticks out for me that is probably nothing (depending on who/when it was said I guess) is the red shirt. Not mentioned in the first reports then added with a specific detail of white buttons.

Who remembers what colour buttons on a shirt are!?

I’m thinking they were fairly sure that shirt would be found somewhere and wanted to make sure that if anyone saw it, their memory was jogged.

Tortoise, if GE was a carpenter, I would say it’s almost certain he has a van as well as a car. Is that the other vehicle that’s been seized?

Where was GP going in the “family member’s” car when they stopped for petrol/ice cream? (As shown on the CCTV). Who was the family member?

Why are the public still being allowed to search? I think this is an important question, as to me it shows that the police know there’s no risk of compromising a crime scene or evidence.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

This is also about the searches, a bit more detailed. Still it doesn't confirm exactly which areas were and were not searched.

http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/15..._in_search_for_missing_19_year_old_Gaia_Pope/

[FONT=&quot]Since her disappearance searches of the land and coastline in the Swanage and surrounding area have been ongoing involving Dorset Search and Rescue, the coastguard, NPAS helicopter and specialist units from neighbouring police forces. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Paul Kessell said: "Yesterday and today specialist officers and teams, supported by Dorset and Wiltshire Fire and Rescue, the coastguard, national search advisors and the NPAS helicopter, have been conducting detailed searches and forensic examinations of fields and open areas. Wide area searches have also been carried out with the assistance of Dorset Search and Rescue and volunteers in the community.[/FONT]

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Why are the public still being allowed to search? I think this is an important question, as to me it shows that the police know there’s no risk of compromising a crime scene or evidence.

Hasn't this happened in other cases? They allow the public to search as it takes media attention off other things?

 

[Ironside]

Why are the public still being allowed to search? I think this is an important question, as to me it shows that the police know there’s no risk of compromising a crime scene or evidence.

It's to put a huge amount of pressure on the person/people responsible.