GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #9

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LozDa said:
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12617279

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[COLOR=#141414][FONT="][h=3]Helen asked for phone[/h]Simon Russell Flint, defending Stewart, is continuing his closing speech. He is speaking about Friday April 15.

“That day arrives, as does Nick, but not with Helen.

“She’s on the end of the telephone, said Stewart, apologising to him, telling him she loves him, but that she needs her phone. “Why? We can’t possibly know.

“She was telling Stewart to do what Nick and Joe wanted him to do.

“Stewart was told he had to find Helen’s phone, take it to Broadstairs, and not to tell police anything until after 3pm.

“The timing of the phone call to police reporting Helen missing was after 3pm.”
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Has Flint not heard of tailoring evidence then?
 
Cherwell said:
Henry Fonda! Sorry.
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I was just on IMDB lol as I only remembered Quincy being in it (Jack Klugman).

I'm now trying not to fret that this sort of verdict turnaround will occur next week for the Grey Haired Grim Weasel :scared:

Oh what a tangled web we weave
 
Anyone else feeling slightly depressed by today? I am trying to stay positive and have faith in the jury but have this horrible niggly feeling that I wish would go away! Lou x
 
Came back to nitpick that it was Henry Fonda, but was beaten to it :)
 
Yes, some of my friends used to be culpates - and cavates too, probably.
(I won't mention the onerates.)
 
Cherwell said:
Henry Fonda! Sorry.

There was also an episode of 'Minder' based on 12 Angry Men, in which Arthur Daley was called for jury duty. He was determined to sway the other jurors to acquit the obviously guilty defendant, and eventually wore them down. The twist came right at the end when another juror (played by Dandy Nichols) casually revealed over her knitting that she knew the defendant.
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That is funny!
 
Joely 123 said:
Strimmer is my man - always has been due to my conviction of a Guilty Widower who took advantage of knowing more about Widows' histories through joining a cohesive group of people who shared their true Grief. And .. he knew even more about Helen, because she is a Writer - and one cannot write a biographical blog without starting from the premise of Truth. We know Helen is the most open and honest person ever. She does not hide away behind rosy curtains of perception. She always wrote to the point whether it may have been embarrassing to herself or not. She shielded all others in their anonymity. She did not shield herself....
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RSBM

You need to check this one out Joely , a longer account of startlingly similar M.O. for the long con.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4141714/Woman-poisoned-husband.html
 
Evendor said:
I'm the opposite, I can't think how the jury could find him guilty when there is nothing concrete. Yes, he likely did it (70% sure), but is that enough? For me there's no forensic evidence to prove it was him and not somebody else who lived or had access to the house. The witnesses say she was alive after, which in my option then doesn't rule out the sons.
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Who was saying that we normally have a devil's advocate to keep things interesting on each case but we don't on this one? :lol:

:welcome: Evendor! :wagon:
 
It's been a long day in many ways, and I was dozing off on the couch when all of a sudden I almost jumped up, thinking surely this did not happen or was I dreaming, perhaps even at the start of a nightmare??

So I looked it up.

It did happen. It was all true.

Within 5 minutes Mr TF claims that re the cesspit:

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Leaving body at house would have been a 'ridiculous' plan ... available to be discovered at any time that cess pit was opened..... (IS)

and

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“Or might they put her in the perfect place to hide a body, that they had seen for themselves?” (Nick and Joe)

It beggars belief. The bloody nerve!
The jurors must have had their heads spinning. I hope they recognize this for what it is: manipulation, and disdain for the mental capacity of us lesser mortals.


:stormingmad:
 
looroll said:
Anyone else feeling slightly depressed by today? I am trying to stay positive and have faith in the jury but have this horrible niggly feeling that I wish would go away! Lou x
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GUILTY - no niggles, just anxiety .. stay calm, looroll.
 
BatFace said:
12 Angry Men is available to view on YouTube, btw. https://youtu.be/xDKUTCdts3E
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Oh I wish I'd known about this forum years ago - you're all ace. And so good at lightening the mood between the melancholy of the varying reasons we joined and the frustration at misrepresented facts :banghead:

:rollercoaster:

ETA discovered the rollercoaster emoji

Oh what a tangled web we weave
 
looroll said:
Anyone else feeling slightly depressed by today? I am trying to stay positive and have faith in the jury but have this horrible niggly feeling that I wish would go away! Lou x
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Same here, but IMHO (see my previous post) the feeling stems from being manipulated, mainly by mr RF.
 
Joely 123 said:
Strimmer is my man - always has been due to my conviction of a Guilty Widower who took advantage of knowing more about Widows' histories through joining a cohesive group of people who shared their true Grief. And .. he knew even more about Helen, because she is a Writer - and one cannot write a biographical blog without starting from the premise of Truth. We know Helen is the most open and honest person ever. She does not hide away behind rosy curtains of perception. She always wrote to the point whether it may have been embarrassing to herself or not. She shielded all others in their anonymity. She did not shield herself.
Her murderer knew everything about her before he created his relationship with her. He knew the size of her home in Highgate, and her inheritance from the Sinfield Company. He knew of her Author Royalties.
He knew what to say to make her happier, knew how to fix things she had an aversion towards. He knew how her mind ticked.
He did not have that ability within his own sense - he simply could join the dots together. (Sorry Helen)
She did not wish to visit Broadstairs after John - and guess who was there, allowing her to cry over a glass of red wine before he went out to collect fish and chips.
She was worried about her Gas/Electric bill - and guess who came to detect that her monitor was not properly connected.
She cried on their first evening outing - and he 'was happy' to let her return to her home. No expectations! Just apparent consideration!.
He knew her vulnerabilities - she had already described how she was a fast driver to a nervous driver.
HE DID NOT KNOW THE COLOUR OF HER EYES.

He had raided her book to use in his Defence of when she was at her most treacherous time in her life, after John S died - to copy her statements in her book of not knowing her own hands. This was NOT at a computer it was her way of saying she almost felt the hand of JS as she walked with Boris. Yes, she was dizzy - yes, she had panic attacks - and he abused this, her most frail moment of Grief to allow Flinty to grab and run with it.

YOU - murderer (possibly more than once) Mr Stewart have taken everything away from Helen in your Defence. You have put her family, John especially in his love of Helen in a continued torturous agony whilst you stood in Court under Oath and lied to protect yourself and your money. You were not ever there to protect your dear Sons - please do not pretend you were protecting them from N & J - displacing them, when they need protecting from YOU and your actions.

One thing you shall not ever do is take away the beauty of Helen and Boris - she is far cleverer than you shall ever be - and I do think it is now time for you to admit defeat. And show some honour to the women who gave you every opportunity towards happiness - rather than a bed in a cell.
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Joely - a terrific post. I agree with everything you wrote. IS also didn't know her height but seemed to know one of NiJo was about 5'6.
I cannot believe he didn't know Helen's eye colour - she had the most beautiful blue eyes.
 
jenspired said:
Oh I wish I'd known about this forum years ago - you're all ace. And so good at lightening the mood between the melancholy of the varying reasons we joined and the frustration at misrepresented facts :banghead:

:rollercoaster:

ETA discovered the rollercoaster emoji

Oh what a tangled web we weave
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Love that film - absolutely brilliant and understated in many ways but with huge impact. Even my 13 year old & 15 year old daughters love that film and will ask to see it every once in a while. However, much more to pity in that defendant's case...
 
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