GUILTY UK - Helen Bailey, 51, Royston, 11 April 2016 #9

[LozDa]

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]Court told Stewart had 'no motive' to kill Helen[/h]“Stewart was content with what he had. “The only expenditure seems to be that one off purchase of his personal number plate, but he only did that after January 4, when he went to Addenbrooke’s and thought he was going to be dying of cancer. “Stewart’s sons loved Helen, Stewart was living with a person who was a mother figure for his boys. “They loved her, and she loved them back. “Why would he want to end all of this by killing her? “But the Crown, desperate to find some sort of motivation, have jumped to the conclusion he wanted to kill her for her money. “He had no motive to kill Helen at all, and had every reason not to kill her. Once you accept that this motive is just not there it makes the likelihood of the Crown’s theory very wrong. “This causes grave difficulties for the prosecution’s case.”
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[LozDa]

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]Who killed Helen?[/h]“So who might have killed her? If you are sure she was unlawfully killed. How did she die before she ended up in the cess pit? Are you sure Helen was killed unlawfully? “We say very clearly on the evidence she wasn’t killed and she did not die shortly after 10.58am on the morning of April 11. “She was alive, she was well, she was later able to go out and walk Boris, later able to amend that standing order, and then walk Boris again. “And then a few weeks later, she was seen in Broadstairs alive and well.”
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[LozDa]

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[FONT=&amp]Who killed Helen?

“So who might have killed her? If you are sure she was unlawfully killed. How did she die before she ended up in the cess pit? Are you sure Helen was killed unlawfully? “We say very clearly on the evidence she wasn’t killed and she did not die shortly after 10.58am on the morning of April 11. “She was alive, she was well, she was later able to go out and walk Boris, later able to amend that standing order, and then walk Boris again. “And then a few weeks later, she was seen in Broadstairs alive and well.”
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uke:

 

[LozDa]

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]Helen killed 'in the company of Nick and Joe' - defence[/h]“If she was unlawfully killed, it was after she had left Baldock Road in Royston and almost certainly while she was in the company of Nick and Joe. “So why would Nick and Joe kill her? There might be a whole host of reasons - she wouldn’t co-operate, she was proving obstructive, difficult, she was by the time she was killed, the subject of a massive police search.”
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[cottonweaver]

Even though Hurley said himself he would have respected Helen's wishes.

agreed, I was just looking back at Hurley's testimony on that:

He is asked what action he would have taken if called upon to execute her will. He says he would have used the earlier email summarising her wishes. He says: “In the absence of any other document… I would have fallen back on this document. I would have relied upon this to give me the guidance of how to distribute the funds. But I had no understanding that I was the sole executor.”

and will solicitor said

“It was an intended as an interim will. Where one doesn’t have immediate family or children or others, it’s very usual that somebody can’t quite decide whether somebody is to have a £10,000 legacy or a £50,000 legacy and this gave her time to consider about what to do. “Helen Bailey clearly trusted her financial executor to carry it out.”

and the jury will be well aware this 2015 interim will was drastically different from the 2012 will

will changes- the bulk of the old will went to other people not to Ian Stewart. In 2012......

a version of Ms Bailey’s will dating from 2012. The will assigns various gifts. A 50 per cent share of the residue to brother John Bailey, the other 50 per cent to Jenny Winterbottom and stepson Daniel Sinfield. The last page has the signatures of Helen Bailey, and there are two witnesses - Ian Stewart and a woman named Monica.

 

[Tortoise]

:rotfl:

(seen in Broadstairs man)

 

[ZaZara]

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[COLOR=#141414][FONT="][h=3]Helen Bailey had not changed her finances in Stewart's favour[/h]Mr Russell Flint is stating that Tony Hurley could have stopped Stewart from having a single penny of Ms Bailey’s will. “It was entirely within the discretion of Mr Hurley as whether Stewart got a penny from that will. “It’s inaccurate for the crown to say to you that Helen had changed her entire wealth structure in Stewart’s favour. “She just hadn’t - the will proves that. “What was said to you then was just plain wrong. “Mr Hurley had complete control and complete discretion. “Not one of the named 15 potential beneficiaries could force the trustee, Mr Hurley, to give him or her a penny.”
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But why, WHY would Tony Hurley stop IS from having a penny if all was good and well in the love birds' nest?
Why would HB give total control to someone so unreliable, even capricious?

RF is tainting the reputation of 2 persons who are not on trial here. :notgood:

 

[cottonweaver]

what a pile of cack. BS, it was an op to rule out any cancer really

Stewart was content with what he had. “The only expenditure seems to be that one off purchase of his personal number plate, but he only did that after January 4, when he went to Addenbrooke’s and thought he was going to be dying of cancer.

You cant be dying of a disease for which you have no diagnosis nor prognosis.

 

[LozDa]

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]How did Helen die? - defence asks[/h]“The second question - how did Helen die? Actually, nobody knows, despite an extensive postmortem. “Dr Nathaniel Cary doesn’t know. He has no more clue than you how she died. “She was in the cess pit, in the garage. “It’s gruesome to think about, but once nature had taken its course and the flesh had decomposed, what would have remained? “What would have remained would have been a skeleton, not just a few bones as was what was suggested to you. “So forever after during Stewart’s life, the skeleton of Helen would have been there in that cess pit, in that garage to the house they shared, available to be discovered at any time that cess pit was opened. “Anytime that it’s inspected, anytime it is drained. They were draining it annually.”
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[DollyDiamond]

Russell Flint mentions Nick and Joe and - HURRAH - the defence descends into full blown farce!

(Expect Benny Hill, bald headed pensioner and nurse in suspenders to conga through the courtroom at any moment).

 

[LozDa]

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[FONT=&amp]How did Helen die? - defence asks

“The second question - how did Helen die? Actually, nobody knows, despite an extensive postmortem. “Dr Nathaniel Cary doesn’t know. He has no more clue than you how she died. “She was in the cess pit, in the garage. “It’s gruesome to think about, but once nature had taken its course and the flesh had decomposed, what would have remained? “What would have remained would have been a skeleton, not just a few bones as was what was suggested to you. “So forever after during Stewart’s life, the skeleton of Helen would have been there in that cess pit, in that garage to the house they shared, available to be discovered at any time that cess pit was opened. “Anytime that it’s inspected, anytime it is drained. They were draining it annually.”
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BBM - Erm... I think, having seen and assessed her body, he probably has a better idea of how. She didn't die of a shot wound, or blunt force trauma, for example. i.e. not at the hands of violent kidnappers, FOR EXAMPLE.

I'm getting angry now.

 

[LozDa]

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]Leaving body at house would have been a 'ridiculous' plan[/h]“Would you leave a body on your own doorstep for discovery at any time? Is that the reasoning of a long term crafted plan to do away with your partner? “A carefully carried out plan? It’s ridiculous, isn’t it?”
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[LouP1209]

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[COLOR=#141414][FONT="][h=3]How did Helen die? - defence asks[/h]“The second question - how did Helen die? Actually, nobody knows, despite an extensive postmortem. “Dr Nathaniel Cary doesn’t know. He has no more clue than you how she died. “She was in the cess pit, in the garage. “It’s gruesome to think about, but once nature had taken its course and the flesh had decomposed, what would have remained? “What would have remained would have been a skeleton, not just a few bones as was what was suggested to you. “So forever after during Stewart’s life, the skeleton of Helen would have been there in that cess pit, in that garage to the house they shared, available to be discovered at any time that cess pit was opened. “Anytime that it’s inspected, anytime it is drained. They were draining it annually.”
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BBM

They may well have done so in the past, but I would bet my house that that would not be the case in the future!!

 

[LozDa]

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]Helen had 'no signs of injury'[/h]“Helen had no signs of any injury at all. There’s nothing to point in any way as to how she died. “What though if she had, as Dr Cary considered, voluntarily consumed both the sleeping pill Zopiclone and had also drunk alcohol?
“That Dr Cary could cause death, reduced to unconsciousness. “She could have, in her unconscious state, choked due to her airways being obstructed. “If, that is what happened, how does that make her death unlawful? “Nobody would have killed her, murdered her. It would have been a terrible accident.
“Yes, one thereafter might be guilty of failing to inform the coroner, preventing an unlawful burial, but Stewart can’t be guilty of unlawfully killing her if having found her like that, Helen was put into that cess pit.”
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[cottonweaver]

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[COLOR=#141414][FONT="][h=3]Leaving body at house would have been a 'ridiculous' plan[/h]“Would you leave a body on your own doorstep for discovery at any time? Is that the reasoning of a long term crafted plan to do away with your partner? “A carefully carried out plan? It’s ridiculous, isn’t it?”
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Fascinating to see how he uses IS's own stupidity to suggest that IS's actions would have been incredible.
This is why SRF is paid so much.

 

[LozDa]

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[FONT=&amp]Helen had 'no signs of injury'

“Helen had no signs of any injury at all. There’s nothing to point in any way as to how she died. “What though if she had, as Dr Cary considered, voluntarily consumed both the sleeping pill Zopiclone and had also drunk alcohol?
“That Dr Cary could cause death, reduced to unconsciousness. “She could have, in her unconscious state, choked due to her airways being obstructed. “If, that is what happened, how does that make her death unlawful? “Nobody would have killed her, murdered her. It would have been a terrible accident.
“Yes, one thereafter might be guilty of failing to inform the coroner, preventing an unlawful burial, but Stewart can’t be guilty of unlawfully killing her if having found her like that, Helen was put into that cess pit.”
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W. T. F

:gaah:

 

[cottonweaver]

BBM

They may well have done so in the past, but I would bet my house that that would not be the case in the future!!

Exactly!

 

[DollyDiamond]

Russell Flint's strategy seems to be to point out all the flaws in the execution of Helen's murder and disposal and say "IS wouldn't be so stupid as to do it this way".

HE IS AND HE DID!

Send the bar steward down.

 

[LozDa]

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]'Perfect place' to hide a body[/h]If Helen had died after leaving Baldock Road, what would Nick and Joe do? Dump Helen at the side of the road? Throw her over a boat into the sea? “Or might they put her in the perfect place to hide a body, that they had seen for themselves?”
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[cottonweaver]

TBH, in 2016 this was one of the Defences we were assuming IS would go for, concealment

“Yes, one thereafter might be guilty of failing to inform the coroner, preventing an unlawful burial, but Stewart can’t be guilty of unlawfully killing her if having found her like that, Helen was put into that cess pit.”