GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #1

[whitedove]

Just rereading GR tribute again to his girlfriend. Whereas I do not think he is involved some of his comments just seem 'off', such as adding in 'Happy New Year'; it just seems so out of place.

Welcome to Websleuths MMENJBRIT, I have posted the same thing, how can anyone look forward to a Happy New Year when their G/f has just been murdered.

 

[Destroyer]

Btw - Joannas pet cat was called Bernard if anybody was interested ?

 

[LadyL]

There was a resident in the area where Joanna's body was found. She was driving her daughters somewhere Christmas Eve, around 7 pm, a man ran across the road at great speed, jumped a style and vanished into the woods. I am thinking, could this have been someone involved. Was he one of a group involved who had been dropped off to assist in 'placing' the body at the scene or trying to hide it further from view, but got disturbed, too many cars, someone else saw him etc etc and he fled?

that's really interesting ...

do you have a link?

 

[LadyL]

I, too, found the New Year comment, among other things, odd.

 

[whitedove]

Sky news time line for those who have just joined.


Joanna Yeates Murder: Timeline Events


Landscape architect Joanna Yeates

Of

, 25, went missing on December 17 and her body was found eight days later on Christmas Day.



Joanna Yeates went missing after an evening out with work colleagues


Here is a timeline of how events have unfolded:
December 17:
8pm: Miss Yeates leaves the Ram pub in Park Street where she had been drinking with friends to walk the 20-minute journey home from Bristol city centre to Clifton.
8.30pm: She uses her mobile phone to ring her best friend Rebecca Scott and arranges to meet on Christmas Eve.
8.40pm: At a Tesco Express on Regent Street in Clifton - about a quarter of a mile from her flat - Miss Yeates buys a pizza. She then visits a nearby off-licence to pick up some cider.
Police believe she returned home to her flat in Canynge Road, which she shared with Greg Reardon.
A receipt from Tesco was found in the flat, along with a cream-coloured coat she had been wearing and her mobile phone and keys.
December 19:
Mr Reardon reports Miss Yeates missing when he returns to Bristol from a weekend away visiting relatives in Sheffield.
December 20:
Avon and Somerset Police make their first appeal for information over Miss Yeates' disappearance.
December 21:
Miss Yeates' parents, David and Theresa, make their first tearful appeal for information at a police press conference in Bristol.
December 22:
Mr Reardon speaks of his distress at the disappearance of his girlfriend, as specialist officers search the couple's flat, as well as the Bristol Downs and Avon Gorge.
December 23:
Miss Yeates' parents make a second appeal and reveal their fears that their daughter has been abducted.
December 24:Police release CCTV footage showing Miss Yeates buying the pizza in the Tesco Express on the night she was last seen. There was no trace of the pizza, the wrapping or the box in Miss Yeates' flat.
December 25
A couple walking their dogs in the Failand area of North Somerset find a body at around 9am.
December 26:
Police announce they are "satisfied" the body found is that of Miss Yeates.
December 27:
The family of Miss Yeates lay a bouquet of flowers at the scene where her body was found.
December 28:
Police announce Miss Yeates died as a result of strangulation. Avon and Somerset Police say the death is now officially being treated as a murder investigation.
December 29:
It is reported that Miss Yeates's landlord Chris Jefferies saw her leave her flat with two people on the night she disappeared. He later denies the sighting.
Police reveal CCTV footage of the Miss Yeates buying cider at an off-licence on the night she goes missing.
December 30:
Police arrest Mr Jefferies at his flat at 7am on suspicion of murdering Miss Yeates. He is taken to a police station for questioning.
December 31:
Police are granted more time to question Mr Jefferies.
One of Mr Jefferies' neighbours, Peter Stanley, says the landlord helped Miss Yeates' boyfriend get on the road to Sheffield hours before she vanished. He said Mr Jefferies helped Mr Reardon get his car started using jump leads.
January 1:
Mr Jefferies is released on police bail pending further inquiries.
Miss Yeates' family issue a statement expressing their grief that their daughter has been "stolen" from them but say they are confident her killer will be caught.
January 2:
Police warn women not to walk home alone after dark as Miss Yeates' killer remains at large. They reassure the public that patrols had been stepped up in the upmarket Clifton area where she lived.
January 3:
Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones, leading the murder hunt, tells a news conference that police want to trace a light-coloured 4x4 vehicle seen near to the area where Miss Yeates's body was found.
He says there is no evidence Miss Yeates was sexually assaulted and suggests more than one person may be responsible for her murder.

 

[Myserty64]

There is something weird about this sad case but I can't put my finger on it.
I hope this isn't going to be another Suzy Lamplugh investigation.
It is very difficult for the police when they have little to work with.

 

[MMENJBRIT]

LadyL... here is the Info from the Daily Telegraph Dec 26th.

A local woman told officers at the scene that she had seen a man run across a road and into woods a few hundred yards from where the body was found.
The woman, who gave her name as Patricia, from the nearby village of Clapton in Gordano, said she was driving with her two daughters at about 5.45pm on Christmas Eve when they saw the man run across the road from trees on one side of the road and jump a stile.
"It was dark and it was very odd. It's not the sort of road you see people cross.
"It was as if he was taking a chance to cross the road," she said.
"I wish I had reported it to the police at the time." An ambulance with a police escort took the body from the scene at 4.45pm yesterday.

 

[laurauk1]

I have often wondered whether there may of been consented sex related to this murder, the LE have not ruled out a sexual motive & theres nothing to say she wasnt having an affair or sexual relations with somebody else ?? Maybe as suggested she may of died as a result of a sexual act gone wrong ... remember Michael Hutchence ??

As for Gregg Reardons 'Happy New Year' statement & the setup of a charity donation in Joanna's name it does make me think this guy is hardly grieving ? Where is all the anger ?? If it were my girlfriend that had been murdered i would be totally distraught & not be able to keep myself together to arrange such things. Still maybe thats his way of dealing with it & am sure he is recieving some form of councilling ?

Also if you look at Gregg Reardons previous fundraisers he has done, its a bit odd Joanna never donated a single pound herself to these good causes ?? (this is my girlfriends research btw.)

www.justgiving.com/joannayeates

http://www.justgiving.com/user/1425147 (Greggs Profile)

Good point re: fundraising. However do people still tend to collect a mix of hand collected sponsors as well as through Just Giving? I wonder if she might be more inclined to give him money by hand. Or perhaps she contributed through a larger family donation with her parents or in laws.

 

[whitedove]

I feel so sorry for this young lady, here in the UK, the night clubs are open until 4 am, or maybe all night, and young ladies are often trotting, or rolling (lol) around in the early hours, they are often too drunk to get up off the pavement, and every now and then we hear of one going missing and they are found murdered.

But Jo was doing all the right things, having a drink after work with staff, leaving at a reasonable time, shopping for her supper, and a little something to drink as she would be watching tv alone that night, its what a lot of us might do, it should be very safe to walk home at around 9pm in the evening, lots of people about, why did'nt anyone see her, what went wrong, its the reason why I think she must have been picked up for a lift home by someone she knew well, she either arrived with this person, or he drove off somewhere else and she never arrived home.

 

[Destroyer]

Good point re: fundraising. However do people still tend to collect a mix of hand collected sponsors as well as through Just Giving? I wonder if she might be more inclined to give him money by hand. Or perhaps she contributed through a larger family donation with her parents or in laws.

Personally myself if my girlfriend was fundraising via 'Justgiving' i would be than inclined to help get the ball rolling & make a donation whilst my support for a worthy cause & supporting her too in whatever she was doing. Sometimes getting just a few names on the list is enough to encourage others to donate, as i have also recently made a collection on behalf of friend & former colleague at my workplace that died from Bowel Cancer, of which my girlfriend was extremely supportive of.

 

[MMENJBRIT]

Did C/J stay in Bristol from 12/17 on? or did he travel to France for part of Christmas? how about Peter Stanley, his neighbor that he shared the Neighborhood Watch job with? and Laurence Penney? Since they are all neighbors who were in close proximity to Joanna's flat on the night of 12/17 it would be interesting to know where each of them travelled to if (if they did travel) and on what dates. P/S seems to give supportive statements to Police on the character of C/J. Also if they were away, when did they return?

 

[Destroyer]

I havent read anywhere that CJ was definitely away from Bristol from 17/12 , however it is rumoured he may of been staying in the South of France ?? Yet considering the travel problems that weekend it seems unlikely.

Also Sky News reporting this morning extremely high powered chemicals have been taken into Jo's flat to be used to help obtain fingerprints.

 

[wfgodot]

Joanna Yeates police launch Facebook appeal to find killer
Campaign involving advert that allows people to contact police online more effective than posters and leafleting, say detectives

Detectives hunting the killer of the landscape architect Joanna Yeates have launched a national Facebook campaign to appeal for help.

An advert showing an image of Yeates headlined "Jo's murder can you help?" will pop up on the social networking site to encourage people with information to contact police online.

Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones, who is leading the inquiry, said: "The majority of people these days are spending time on Facebook and other social networking sites; this has become part of everyday routine for many people. This advert allows us to point people to special features on our website with all the latest information. It allows them to contact the incident room direct online rather than calling in."

much more at
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jan/04/joanna-yeates-facebook-appeal

The advert

Avon and Somerset Constabulary page

"Jo page" on constabulary site above

Daily Mail, meanwhile, has this on the continuing investigation at the flat:

Today crime scene investigators were again examining Jo's flat, using a chemical system to find evidence such as fingerprints.

The machine allows forensic processes that would normally be carried out in the lab to be done at the scene.

There was a sign outside the building saying 'Do not enter, dangerous chemicals'.

Officers wearing white suits came out wearing masks while a number of uniformed officers entered Mr Jefferies' flat on the opposite side of the building.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ller-accomplice-say-police.html#ixzz1A4fKGCYI

 

[cluciano63]

I'm so confused, I hadn't read for a few days as I thought they had the guy, the landlord. And now they are saying it's probably not him? That there is a killer(s) at large?

None of the theories in my head can make sense of her body being taken to where it was left, if she indeed made it to her apartment, as it seems she did. Random killers seldom go out of their way to arrange scenes to that extent, whereas someone who knows the victim might. By removing her from apartment (if they did) it would open up to the possibility that a stranger followed her home, whereas if she is found dead in her apartment, it might be assumed someone she let in killed her. Which tends to make me think that someone she let in killed her...

 

[Patticake]

I noticed this reference to the reason Greg Reardon was cleared as a suspect. After reading scores of news stories about this case, it is the only one I personally have seen that addresses his elimination from the list of suspects:

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/73267...der-public-mystified-by-conflicting-messages-

Jo Yeates: public mystified by conflicting messages

Her boyfriend has been ruled out as a suspect having produced receipts that proved he was away seeing his family on the weekend she vanished.


..

 

[wfgodot]

Excellent link, Patticake. Also from that site, as a sidebar to the investigation, this, from Robert Chesshyre - stuff most of we Yanks don't know:

Jo Yeates’s landlord: harsh justice from the tabloids

Once police action against a suspect has been started, it outlaws publication of anything beyond the basic details of an arrest. It is designed to ensure a fair trial if and when the suspect is charged and comes to court.

Judging by much of the press coverage and online comment, the Act is now ignored by many journalists, and probably not known at all by the many bloggers and Facebook enthusiasts who are also 'publishing' when they air their views and prejudices.

One reason why newspapers are allowed such rope is that stories like this now take wings far beyond the control of Fleet Street editors or broadcasting chiefs. We live in the age of the 'citizen journalist' to whom libel and contempt are as unknown as Latin and Greek grammar.

Under the Contempt of Court Act 1981, it is criminal contempt of court to publish anything which creates a risk that the course of justice in proceedings may be seriously impaired. It applies where proceedings are active. The clause prevents the newspapers and media from publishing material that is too extreme or sensationalist about a criminal case until the trial is over and the jury has given its verdict.

the rest of a fine short essay at

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/73240...h-justice-from-the-tabloids-contempt-of-court

 

[Luna15]

I noticed this reference to the reason Greg Reardon was cleared as a suspect. After reading scores of news stories about this case, it is the only one I personally have seen that addresses his elimination from the list of suspects:

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/73267...der-public-mystified-by-conflicting-messages-

Jo Yeates: public mystified by conflicting messages

Her boyfriend has been ruled out as a suspect having produced receipts that proved he was away seeing his family on the weekend she vanished.


..

Hi Patticake :wave:

It is hearsay about the provision of receipts, the only 'officical line' is (when asked by a reporter if he was a suspect)

“No, he’s a witness in this investigation. There are a number of inquiries we are pursuing and at this stage, I am not prepared to speculate whether there are any suspects or what those lines of inquiry might be.”

my understanding of that would be, IF he was a suspect they wouldn't be confirming it!

A lot of fingerpointing going on over here with regards to the BF and the police dont seem to be helping him out of it

I am going to be surprised if it's not him.

 

[Destroyer]

Not being funny or nothing, but how will those feel that have made donations via Greggs charity donation set up in the name of Joanna Yeates if he was to be convicted of this murder ? I know its still a good cause, but being associated with a murderer in anyway is kinda like not the in thing to do is it ??

 

[wfgodot]

Not being funny or nothing, but how will those feel that have made donations via Greggs charity donation set up in the name of Joanna Yeates if he was to be convicted of this murder ? I know its still a good cause, but being associated with a murderer in anyway is kinda like not the in thing to do is it ??

In that case, it would be like donating to the Peter Sutcliffe Fund for Wayward Women or the Myra Hindley Save Our Moors Foundation.

 

[Sgt Jones]

Not being funny or nothing, but how will those feel that have made donations via Greggs charity donation set up in the name of Joanna Yeates if he was to be convicted of this murder ? I know its still a good cause, but being associated with a murderer in anyway is kinda like not the in thing to do is it ??

As far as I know, he's not a suspect - he's been ruled out . He was in Sheffield - credit card transactions etc prove that.

I'm sure if he didn't have a cast iron alibi he's be in custody as being the b/f he would have been the police's initial prime suspect.

And anyone could at anytime be "associated" with a murderer and not know it.