Exactly! He was an architect and presumably viewed the city as a piece of art....
VT was not an architect. He was a people flow analyst.
Exactly! He was an architect and presumably viewed the city as a piece of art....
It would only be manslaughter if it was accepted that a reasonable man would have not realised that compression of the neck would result in death or serious injury; the fact that VT himself might personally have been acting under some misapprehension of the consequences of his actions is irrelevant.
The other key point here is to understand the crucial importance of the 'no struggle' theory advanced by VT. Since, had JY struggled whilst VT was strangling her, then it would have been blindingly obvious, even to the dimmest of the dim, let alone someone in possession of a PhD, that she was in distress, and that he was physically harming her, and that he should desist immediately.
So, in order to believe that it was manslaughter, you not only have to accept that the 'average joe' doesn't realise that strangling someone is an act highely likely to kill them, but you also have to accept that at no point during the proceedings did JY exhibit any signs of concern at this unfortunate turn of events.
Under the Repatriation of Prisoners Act 1984 it is indeed possible for foreign nationals to be 'sent home' to serve their sentence. Whether it would be deemed appropriate in whatever circumstances VT finds himself in, I do not know.
VT was not an architect. He was a people flow analyst.
I understand that he has a phd in architecture and is referred to as an engineer. People Flow is architecture ... life safety routes, programming, things like that.
He studied in Eindhoven.
Architects design buildings. VT does not design buildings. He might have studied at the faculty of Architecture, Building and Planning at Eindhoven, but the subject of his PhD thesis was 'User simulation of space utilisation'. He's a computer geek that builds models.
It's not an important point, but in the context of the statement - "He was an architect and presumably viewed the city as a piece of art" - the wrong inference was being drawn.
P.S. I now see you've edited your original post to add some further information. He's not an architectural engineer either, notwithstanding what it says in the Telegraph. An architectural engineer is someone who constructs buildings, as opposed to merely designing them. VT was involved in neither the construction nor the design of buildings, but rather dealt with the way that people moved through the buildings.
He completed degrees in Architecture as far as I know. He was granted a phd through Urban Planning and Architecture ... nothing to do with Computer Science. As an architect, in any capacity, yes he would have viewed the city as a piece of art. I stand behind that statement that architects, even people flow analysts, would still view architecture as art. His thesis preface describes how people flow understanding can be used in future designs. He is an architect, primarily a designer, attempting to perfect building function.
Here's his thesis: http://alexandria.tue.nl/extra2/200910371.pdf
He is an architectural engineer.
Oh dear, you really are arguing simply for the case of arguing aren't you? Like I said, it's not an important point, it has no real relevance to the case, it has no bearing on VT's guilt, and if you want to use you own personal defintions of words like 'architect' and 'architectural engineer' please feel free to do so.
Architects design buildings. VT does not design buildings. He might have studied at the faculty of Architecture, Building and Planning at Eindhoven, but the subject of his PhD thesis was 'User simulation of space utilisation'.
When and if you do need glasses, further down the road you may discover progressive lenses (a.k.a. trifocals), which give one three separate opportunities to read things wrong. As I have done!
Just catching up here - can anyone tell me how VT today explained the 43 separate injuries if Joanna didn't put up a struggle?
His BSc was in "Architecture, Building and Planning". It was only after spending three years on that and a further three years on the same subject (for his MSc) that he researched "User simulation of space utilisation" for his Doctorate.
In other words, he went through the same academic course that many Dutch architects follow, but he never (as far as I'm aware) practised as an architect.
I'm not sure of the relevance of all this, though!
I do not think it were odd that they were in the kitchen, especially if as he stated she DID offer him a drink. It seems perfectly plausible to me that if indeed she did invite him in she offered him a drink and he would have followed her into the kitchen.
I think I am in the minority also by saying that I also find it equally plausible that she invited him in. This in no way infers she was flirting with him, she was bored that night, as proved by her texts and wanted company. She would have felt safe in her flat. I am not disputing the idea that he knocked on her door and he was invited in that way, but i do not think that this was planned as he did such a poor job of disposing of the body and also of his Internet searches. As he used the net so much afterwards I think if it were planned he would have used it beforehand to research thoroughly. As a PHD student he would have been used to research and I think had it been planned then her body would never have been found.
Of course this is all speculation, as it pretty much everything in this case. The prosecution did a poor job in my eyes of explaining the events of that night.
... previously we had posters arguing that because VT was employed as a people flow analyst, he must have been obsessed by watching people, and began speculating about peepholes, crawlspaces and the likes. No we have someone arguing almost the exact opposite - that he was fascinated by the externalities of buildings rather than the internalities.
The relevance of either argument quite escapes me as well.
It would only be manslaughter if it was accepted that a reasonable man would have not realised that compression of the neck would result in death or serious injury; the fact that VT himself might personally have been acting under some misapprehension of the consequences of his actions is irrelevant.
The other key point here is to understand the crucial importance of the 'no struggle' theory advanced by VT. Since, had JY struggled whilst VT was strangling her, then it would have been blindingly obvious, even to the dimmest of the dim, let alone someone in possession of a PhD, that she was in distress, and that he was physically harming her, and that he should desist immediately.
So, in order to believe that it was manslaughter, you not only have to accept that the 'average joe' doesn't realise that strangling someone is an act highely likely to kill them, but you also have to accept that at no point during the proceedings did JY exhibit any signs of concern at this unfortunate turn of events.
I do not think it were odd that they were in the kitchen, especially if as he stated she DID offer him a drink. It seems perfectly plausible to me that if indeed she did invite him in she offered him a drink and he would have followed her into the kitchen.
I think I am in the minority also by saying that I also find it equally plausible that she invited him in. This in no way infers she was flirting with him, she was bored that night, as proved by her texts and wanted company. She would have felt safe in her flat. I am not disputing the idea that he knocked on her door and he was invited in that way, but i do not think that this was planned as he did such a poor job of disposing of the body and also of his Internet searches. As he used the net so much afterwards I think if it were planned he would have used it beforehand to research thoroughly. As a PHD student he would have been used to research and I think had it been planned then her body would never have been found.
Of course this is all speculation, as it pretty much everything in this case. The prosecution did a poor job in my eyes of explaining the events of that night.