No, that would make it less probable actually. If you have a body in your car, you can get caught at any moment and you do not sleep (unless you are a totally careless and heartless guy, which GR is probably not). If he had brought the body with him on his way to Sheffield, he could have dropped it in a forest or anywhere, it would have been better than keeping it in his car, in my opinion.
Anyway, the problem was not really to drop the body before midnight in a deserted place, it can be done, but to get it out of the flat before 10 pm like he would have to do in your option. At least, in my scenario, he carries the body to his car around 11 pm, but that is still too early: one could meet neighbours who would immediately propose their help to carry this heavy bag.
I do think that the body was moved out of where it was (JY's or VT's flat, or anywhere else) at 2 or 3 am. Most people left the party on the other side of the street between 11 and 12, and one must also avoid people coming back from nightclubs. That rules GR out in my opinion.
Also, dragging that bag from JY's door to a car parked in the street in front of the house or on the other side of the house would have been too risky: on one side you are too visible, and on the other side you have to pass in front of the windows of... VT. So only VT could do that, not GR.
He could have left at 9.30pm with a ski bag no one would have taken any notice surely..........
He puts his snow boarding bag in his car and the boards on the back seat. Then takes Joannas bag with her sadly in it, and off he goes......Gets rid of her bag and puts his boards back in his........
No one seems to be watching anyone.
No one saw him leave for Sheffield.
No one saw Joanna come home
No one saw Greg arrive from Sheffield.
I dont see my neighbours for days or weeks and they live on both sides. Once I am in my house I am not looking outside the window.
It was a FREEZING night on the 17th even my hubby who smokes went out into the garden less times. It was -9 and a lot of people would be in the house keeping warm.......IF they are used to seeing people outside a certain property they probably dont even notice if they see them if that makes sense.
IF the girlfriend of VT was at home, when did he for example harm Joanna.
If the girlfriend was home when did he move the body....Dont forget the morning of the 17th it really snowed in Bristol....
People talk about moving bodies about as though it is the normal everyday thing to do. It isnt. It must be very very hard, and just thinking about being caught well...........the chances are high. And then you have the added problem of dropping the body off somewhere which kinds of bring in premeditation.
So what are the chances of stopping on a road frequented by dog walkers and people taking short cuts and dropping off a body........It seems almost to me to be madness.....that is why a lot of women are snatched off streets in dark areas and parks and dumped where they lay, how many people are killed in their home and then moved.......................I wonder what the statistics are for that.....
The crime scene....
Coat, boots, keys, mobile half bottle of cider.
No pizza but receipt and one starving cat door locked and tidy flat.
Did Joanna meet someone outside her flat perhaps collecting mail, and was invited to go for a drink? Perhaps she offered her pizza to this person, I can bring this with me if you like, have to just go and feed the cat. Person takes Pizza to put into their oven.
Go into the house, take boots off and coat opens half bottle of cider feeds cat.
Goes back out leaves door on latch.....
So:
1. Why would she take her boots off if she was going straight back out.
2. If she was going back out so quickly for a drink and pizza why open the bottle of cider.
3. What was she wearing on her feet?
4. Wouldnt she have put something warm over her shoulders it was -9 out there. So IF she was wearing a pair of slippers or shoes where are they?
OK she does go out but we will ignore the above and is killed in another flat and the body taken away for obvious reasons.........Wouldnt the killer check her flat door to see if it was still open? Why not just put her body back into her flat? I take it that the flat was locked when Greg got home but was the door on the latch if she went out and left her keys inside. Who locked the door, and turned off the lights???
So crime scene makes no sense to her going out or being killed elsewhere but does make sense to her being left somewhere.
CRIME SCENE 2.
So perhaps the other way around then. Person being left on their own, meets outside chat chat, oh why not come over for a pizza....
Goes into the flat, takes coat and boots off puts bag and stuff down, feeds cat opens the door to friend.....kitchen is tiny so would she say to this person here put the pizza in the oven for me if she did not know this person very well?
NOTE TO SELF. Joanna Yeates father said for example he had never heard of Vincent Tabak.........
1. Would she take her boots off? I know that I am very concious about my feet and if this person was a male not sure she would do that unless they new each other very well and she felt comfortable with him....girl yes man not so sure so I would hazard a guess she knew him well and felt comfortable with him.
2. She opens her cider bottle and has a drink the other person is not ready for theirs (hum its xmas) oh well we will pass on that one.
3. No pizza or sign of pizza.....at the crime scene, not even plates out or knives used etc....so why was it removed? IF she knew person was coming she would have popped it into oven. Why would the killer then go into her tiny kitchen after having killed her and handling a pizza box. Just as easy to turn the cooker off and leave everything as is.....wipe around fingerprints. (First place I would take fingerprints is cooker, if non there then the killer did take the pizza out of the oven and clean off the prints)....because otherwise there would be prints of either greg or joanna on the oven handles etc....IF NO FINGERPRINTS then this smacks again of premeditation....
NOW RECAP.......GO back a bit. About 8.30pm
Joanna is waiting for a text to come back from her friend who she has invited for a drink....so would she invite someone in for a chat and meal if she wasn't sure if the other guy was going to respond or not ... bit embarrassing if this person text and said yes 9pm meet you at so and so...
OK SORRY BACK TO HYPOTHESIS THAT SHE DID ASK THIS PERSON TO COME INTO HER FLAT FOR CHAT and was simply going to say to this person if the text came back hey shall we all go out for a drink.........or delay it until the next evening.
So let us say this person comes into her flat at 9pm.
What catastrophic thing could have happened for her to be killed so callously in 20 minutes.................Why 20 minutes? Because this guy said he texted her back at 9.20pm and got no answer. She was waiting for the answer so should have picked up her text and answered it.........
Ok going back to crime scene and joanna.
No sign of a struggle....
No visible marks on her body....
So this person comes in and trys to rape joanna....Joanna is a strong girl she would have struggled really struggled I am sure of that but there was no sign of this on her or her body, no clothes torn or marks on her body. I have been assaulted by a man and believe me even in terror I gave him what for.......
OK so what happened?
The window I think is 20 minutes.......
What awful thing could have transpired in 20 minutes....to end her life.....
For me it points to several things......
Hatred or jealousy
Someone who has killed before perhaps
Psychotic episode
Rape
BUT why move the body?
Knowledge of forensics ....... for example. Someone who knew that moving the body into the cold freezing weather somewhere would destroy most of the DNA. The body outside would take a longish time to fully freeze and the temperature would have to stay at zero for this to happen. Towards the middle of the week I was recording temperature levels of 9. Not -9 so it did warm up for a period.
The only real reason to move her if she was in her own flat was to destroy and confuse forensics...................Whoever moved her would not be out of place at the flats........
Was she moved in the early hours that would make sense. Less people about and the weather would be really cold then.....
Have you tried to start a car in -9 with icy roads........you would need to warm it up before it got started so the chances are you might be heard......
So perhaps it would be better to move it earlier when a car was already warmed up and ready for a journey.
Its a very complex case this.
IF VT is guilty surely someone would have seen him moving a body about between the 17th = 20th. Where was his girlfriend.
Is he in the frame because someone has planted some evidence on him?
Its bizarre because for me non of them seem to fit the profile of a hardened killer who can move bodies about without falling apart at the seams and not being seen ...
And to discard this girl like she was... like so much rubbish is callous.
I cant see any of them in the flat being callous or hateful......
No it makes no sense to me.....
Sorry I have totally rambled on....
I kind of have another theory but when I mentioned it on the other dark side forums they thought I was daft lol....Well I am but thats not the point lol.
Anyway we should hear soon if he is to be charged.
If he is then he must have had a Psychotic breakdown or something as I cant believe he would kill her just for the sake of it and I couldnt imagine why Greg would want to kill his lovely girlfriend either.
Most odd.
