GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #9

[equationgirl]

really? oh well

close friends, bf, girlfriends, relatives are all closer

Yes, they are, but I wasn't being literal, more...geographical...plus, all of those had been ruled out in this case (so far anyway).

 

[wfgodot]

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[whiterum]

I cannot for the life of me understand how a man, the closest neighbour to Joanna, only a few steps from her front door was ruled out as a suspect so early on in the case. He must have had what seemed to be a watertight alibi or he would have been number one suspect. We never even heard of the man, only that foreign students lived in his flat and were away at the time. Now all of a sudden after all this time his name pops out of nowhere and he's charged with murder all within a week. Can't understand why CJ was so strongly considered a suspect and he wasn't.

 

[Luna15]

its just a personal hunch but i dont think they have the right man-not helpful i know, just a hunch

i still think it was someone much closer to her

and there was I thinking I was just being stubborn as an ox..... I am reserving judgement until I hear if he is protesting his innocence.

 

[Destroyer]

Can't get much closer than the guy next door...

really? oh well

close friends, bf, girlfriends, relatives are all closer

mothers & fathers included.

 

[Curious Alice]

Quotes from NUA prior to being taken in for questioning:


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/173246/Jo-Yeates-My-guilt-over-her-death/




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He said "on the night she went missing" yet as far as we all knew it could be any time from approx 9pm on the 17th Jan, until the time that Greg arrived home - nothing was certain or confirmed.

 

[saggymoon]

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Hope that helps!

ok thanks thbough that case really needs to be discussed i dont know why its being prevented from doing so oh well

 

[otto]

I am not a legal minded person, but I know you can be charged with murder but convicted of manslaughter, however it depends on the circumstances of the crime and actions of the perpetrator.

I found details of this case which illustrates this. http://www.gazetteherald.co.uk/news...aughter_of_two_young__jockeys_in_Norton_fire/ however it's a completely different case, the guy didn't put his hands around someones neck and strangle the life out of them.

I think so too ... a person charged with murder can be convicted of lesser charges - per the list in the last link. I would expect that if he is convicted, regardless of sentence, he will then apply to be transferred to the Netherlands to be closer to family.

 

[Sarahlou]

really? oh well

close friends, bf, girlfriends, relatives are all closer

They've been ruled out. A man has been charged for her murder. I think people should give her boyfriend and family a break now IMO.

 

[Destroyer]

Does anyone know the answer to this:
If a person commits murder in the Uk then goes to Holland, could they avoid the consequences by staying there? I guess I'm asking would they be extradited?

I would imagine that is EU law for them to be detained & escorted back to the UK, but dont quote me on that ??

I have already asked the question with no reply as to whether a Dutch national can serve a life sentence for murder in the UK or do they have to be returned to the Netherlands ??

 

[equationgirl]

From the wikipeadia section on extradition treaties:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition

The usual extradition agreement safeguards relating to dual-criminality, the presence of prima facie evidence and the possibility of a fair trial have been waived by many European nations for a list of specified offences under the terms of the European Arrest Warrant. The warrant entered into force in eight European Union (EU) member-states on 1 January 2004, and is in force in all member-states since 22 April 2005.

 

[Destroyer]

They've been ruled out. A man has been charged for her murder. I think people should give her boyfriend and family a break now IMO.

Yep, here here , i'll second that :clap:

 

[otto]

Does anyone know the answer to this:
If a person commits murder in the Uk then goes to Holland, could they avoid the consequences by staying there? I guess I'm asking would they be extradited?

I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that if Tabak was in Eindhoven and charged with murder in Bristol, he would be transferred without much interference.

 

[Patticake]

He said "on the night she went missing" yet as far as we all knew it could be any time from approx 9pm on the 17th Jan, until the time that Greg arrived home - nothing was certain or confirmed.

Instead of just saying "thanks", I'll say that was an excellent observation. :seeya:

.

 

[saggymoon]

sarahlou because a man has been charged doesnt mean they have the right person you know?

 

[equationgirl]

I would imagine that is EU law for them to be detained & escorted back to the UK, but dont quote me on that ??

I have already asked the question with no reply as to whether a Dutch national can serve a life sentence for murder in the UK or do they have to be returned to the Netherlands ??

I have found a booklet entitled 'Foreign national prisoners' published by the HM Prison Service (http://www.hmprisonservice.gov.uk/adviceandsupport/prison_life/foreignnationalprisoners/) so I would imagine a Dutch national would serve a sentence in the UK once convicted.

They can apply to serve their sentence in their home country though.

 

[saggymoon]

lets wait for the EVIDENCE

 

[Luna15]

ok thanks thbough that case really needs to be discussed i dont know why its being prevented from doing so oh well

dont mean to veer OT, but just want to say quickly, I dont see any point in discussing it..... all the discussion in the world wont bring the perps to justice - they've got that well and truly covered...... promise wont say another word :silenced::silenced:

 

[equationgirl]

Yep, here here , i'll second that :clap:

I'll third it - give them some space to grieve without any fingerpointing.

 

[otto]

I would imagine that is EU law for them to be detained & escorted back to the UK, but dont quote me on that ??

I have already asked the question with no reply as to whether a Dutch national can serve a life sentence for murder in the UK or do they have to be returned to the Netherlands ??

I know from following the van der Sloot case that he could request transfer from Peru to the Netherlands if there was a treaty in place. There is not one between Peru and the Netherlands at this time (still under review), but I would expect that as part of the EU, there would be a treaty in place between the UK and NL.