Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher - Emerson Valley - Milton Keynes - #7

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If leah had been there from the time of dissapearance to the time the occupants returned to the home then surely something must have been identifiable to an issue within the loft. Surely it would have been apparent would it not.
 
Lofo#* said:
Amongst her possessions... did they recover her phone? If so, there must be information on there. I'm still confused about how a convicted sex offender can be on the run and they didn't think to link leahs disappearance due to his past behaviours. That baffles me...
Surely they have trained dogs to identify bodily fluids of a male in that house. After all, he was a rapist. I need to stop engaging with all of this... its actually extremely soul destroying.
She may of caught covid and died or was already dead before entering that property.
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There's any number of sex offenders and people who have killed, convicted or otherwise, out in public at any one time. There was nothing linking NM to Leah or anything in his past behaviour to point to him doing this.

There's only 3 police dogs in the UK that can detect seven, but they could be listed between forces if required.

Covid appeared a year after Leah disappeared. If you hold someone hostage for sexual gratification you've got to spend money on food, provide some kind of toilet (and there was no mention of a temporary one being seen anywhere), and, you would think, allow them to stay somewhat clean and clothed, get medication, sanitary wear. That's a lot of trouble, and risky.
 
This article in the DM reveals the home owner is an elderly woman from Kuwait who entrusted her keys to NM in August 2018. She was not contacted by TVP at any point during their enquiries in the area which included speaking to neighbours several times and searching peoples bins. I find that quite shocking that they did not look into number 2 more closely.

BARBARA DAVIES: Did police miss killer's links to Leah Croucher?
 
I was shocked when they showed the house as it is a busy spot especially at that time in the morning.
Before everything came to light I thought that Leah was picked up at the top of the path just after her last cctv footage and never made it to the busy road. I would of expected more sightings if she did with the school and office runs. I then think of milly dowler as an earlier prime example of a young girl disappearing in a very busy area yet no eye witnesses coming forward to anything untoward happening.
 
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Macarey1973 said:
This article in the DM reveals the home owner is an elderly woman from Kuwait who entrusted her keys to NM in August 2018. She was not contacted by TVP at any point during their enquiries in the area which included speaking to neighbours several times and searching peoples bins. I find that quite shocking that they did not look into number 2 more closely.

BARBARA DAVIES: Did police miss killer's links to Leah Croucher?
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Hindsight's a wonderful thing, and this is just a clickbait headline. The Daily Mail used to be a respected newspaper for investigative journalism, but not any more; all this has done is repeat information already published. Twice it says in the article about no link between Leah and NM, plus the police did know about AJ living there, so that info is wrong. Neighbours have been reported as saying they didn't see anyone at the house, and if there's no signs of forced entry, you'd need a good reason to get a warrant. And where's the headline criticism of the CPS by Barbara Davies?
 
Miss_French said:
Hindsight's a wonderful thing, and this is just a clickbait headline. The Daily Mail used to be a respected newspaper for investigative journalism, but not any more; all this has done is repeat information already published. Twice it says in the article about no link between Leah and NM, plus the police did know about AJ living there, so that info is wrong. Neighbours have been reported as saying they didn't see anyone at the house, and if there's no signs of forced entry, you'd need a good reason to get a warrant. And where's the headline criticism of the CPS by Barbara Davies?
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This is the first time I’ve read the home owner was elderly.
 
Looking back I’m wondering about the timing of the leak to the press about AJ (who remained unidentified for a good two days) being the “convicted paedophile” who had once lived at 2 Loxbeare. Probably by the point the police would have known that NM was their guy (probably by the Tuesday of that week).

I’m wondering if that was used as bait. Anyone with a connection to NM and knowing he might have been connected to that house would have had a startling reaction to “convicted paedophile”, maybe put the wrong 2+2 together and felt compelled to provide other information (on NM) to TVP.

Just speculating aloud.
 
Thebutlerdiditagain said:
I’m surprised by how people are not thinking it is this man and believe there is more to this shocking murder. I’ve walked this route so many times and from the last cctv sighting of Leah to her phone switching off ties in well to her being unfortunately grabbed on her way past the address.
I don’t think the other sightings are correct and again eye witnesses cause more problems than help.
The handyman at the time who had keys to the address where she was later found is a sex offender.
He commits suicide not long after and had also committed another crime in the area.
I think it’s a simple case and people have their conspiracy glasses on and sometimes it is just as simple an explanation as the police will later be telling the public.
Leah walked what should of been a safe route to work but crossed paths with a dangerous individual who went one step further than his previous known crimes.
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I totally agree with all of this and have said as much here.

Sometimes it's just as simple as bad people do bad things and with luck and circumstances they get away with it for a while.

The conspiracy angles are interesting and would probably be a more "satisfying" conclusion, to the years of effort and emotions people have put in over the years.

As I said before, sometimes bad people do bad things and there's no reasonable explanation.
 
LammyTheRobot said:
Looking back I’m wondering about the timing of the leak to the press about AJ (who remained unidentified for a good two days) being the “convicted paedophile” who had once lived at 2 Loxbeare. Probably by the point the police would have known that NM was their guy (probably by the Tuesday of that week).

I’m wondering if that was used as bait. Anyone with a connection to NM and knowing he might have been connected to that house would have had a startling reaction to “convicted paedophile”, maybe put the wrong 2+2 together and felt compelled to provide other information (on NM) to TVP.

Just speculating aloud.
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To me that makes perfect sense, they cast the bait out, even being fairly sure they know who is responsible but you never know what or who will come out of the woodwork. Something as simple as NM telling people he was staying there overnight when he shouldn't have would be important ingotmation that may have been easily brushed off by people until this came out. It could also have triggered a response from anyone potentially complicit in the crime to break silence to try to save their own skin.
 
Atoz said:
Yeah, I don't really understand the location functions very well. But from what I can tell, there must be a couple of ways to tell the location of a phone. One is the vague triangulation of location, determined by which mobile phone mast your phone has connected to.

But I guess GPS is used by certain apps that can virtually pinpoint your location, eg Google Maps.

So you could turn your location off (GPS) and your apps won't know where you are. But unless you totally deactivate your phone, it will still be connecting to a local mobile phone mast, which the telephone company will then be able to use to give a vague probable location.

Very happy to be corrected on all that though!
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Android also has GPS location via WiFi. It's not very accurate. Sits in-between proper GPS satellites & phone mast. Generally it's closer in accuracy to GPS via satellites. Generally it's within 100m but it's weird because of how creepily it works. Far more variables than is easy to list.

If they have Leah's phone, this data could be accessible if the function was enabled. On many android phones WiFi based location is not disabled when GPS is turned off.

Hope this makes sense.
 
apmartin1991 said:
Android also has GPS location via WiFi. It's not very accurate. Sits in-between proper GPS satellites & phone mast. Generally it's closer in accuracy to GPS via satellites. Generally it's within 100m but it's weird because of how creepily it works. Far more variables than is easy to list.

If they have Leah's phone, this data could be accessible if the function was enabled. On many android phones WiFi based location is not disabled when GPS is turned off.

Hope this makes sense.
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I really hope they have LCs phone. It should answer some questions.
 
I wondered this also.
I feel weirdly sad that it seems that’s that. In that the apparent murderer is deceased and how does that ever bring the family any closure, no evidence or statements given to understand anywhere near what happened or why, no questioning possible to reveal anything. Heartbreaking
 
That’s not that. The police have stated that it is a long and complex investigation (original statement re 2 Loxbeare) and they are committed to providing answers to Leah’s family. Now she has been found, better to be careful and thorough.

Also, maybe they are rewatching cctv collected at the time. That will not be quick. Even talking to witnesses etc takes time. Other lab tests I guess will take time to process and to analyse.

Sadly too, it will be Leah’s funeral at some point. Perhaps there will not be much said until after that has been able to take place.

It feels so strange that Libby’s documentaries are being aired around now, and Leah has only just been discovered. They went missing within a few weeks of each other, and both seemed like an eternity. Heartbreaking.
 
BrianJohnson said:
This thread is so quiet now

Now that she has been formally identified as deceased should the thread not be moved to the ‘located‘ forum with a “found deceased” label next to it? much busier forum so might increase activity
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I sent a note to a moderator asking if they could do that for Leah.
 
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