Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #6 *ARREST*

[flowerpot]

If the police have evidence or reason to believe libby entered the park but didn't leave -

Why hasn't this area been closed off to the public?
Why so few officers searching it?
Why let the press do live streams on facebook of the pond searches?

Can you imagine if they found a body or something significant whilst it was being live streamed!

Im starting to believe the police have no evidence to disprove PR's account of what happened that night. I hope for Libbys family that the answer to her disappearance will come out soon but I have a gut feeling it won't.

I was thinking that, especially today with the live FB stream.

I was also surprised that they’ve only started searching the river today - unless I’ve missed something? Assuming LS went into the river that night, how far could a body travel down river in 2 weeks considering the tide etc? I’ve had a look at the river on google earth and it passes under several bridges as well as meandering so there could be some ‘snag points’ possibly? Or not? It’s only 3-4 miles to the Humber/sea is it not?
Lincolnshire rescue team assist Libby Squire search

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

He's doing an exclusive interview with the mirror on Sunday

Sounds like he's heading for stardom, Celebrity Big Brother here he comes!

 

[Strontium69]

I presumed they were checking the drains and gutters.

With an infrared?

Looking at the photos of the house at Raglan street last week, I wondered about the specialist equipment going into the house.

Cameras/lights etc?

I wondered especially what this was? I could only think it was a roll-up screen, but I thought that was a bit much for evidence photography?

It was probably the poles for the infrared camera.

 

[truthfinder34]

Sounds like he's heading for stardom, Celebrity Big Brother here he comes!

or Strictly

 

[Ched]

Did they report it when they heard it? Or after news broke?

Bottom of article quote

‘The woman said she did not think anything else of the scream until a Humberside Police officer knocked on her door on Saturday, February 2.

She said she then spoke about it and called 101.’

Does that mean she spoke about it when they knocked door ? Or after they left spoke about it with partner and decided to call 101 ? Which way do you read that ? If she didn’t immediately blurt out when they knocked on Saturday what had only just startled her so much only just early hours of Friday morning ... and had after they’d gone away talked about it and decided to phone in ..... I don’t think she had been extremely startled the night she heard it (if you follow my waffle)

 

[Ched]

Thanks i missed this extra posting last night I see above her photo the bike bit , I’m sure the poster said balaclava too ?

 

[Quintet]

With an infrared?

Looking at the photos of the house at Raglan street last week, I wondered about the specialist equipment going into the house.

Cameras/lights etc?

I wondered especially what this was? I could only think it was a roll-up screen, but I thought that was a bit much for evidence photography?

It was probably the poles for the infrared camera.

That’s what was reported, drains checked.

 

[flowerpot]

or Strictly

Nah, he’s got 2 left feet...well actually 4

 

[Ched]

Just caught up for the night , see you at 11 in the park again or maybe 10:55

 

[Hatfield]

I was thinking that, especially today with the live FB stream.

I was also surprised that they’ve only started searching the river today - unless I’ve missed something? Assuming LS went into the river that night, how far could a body travel down river in 2 weeks considering the tide etc? I’ve had a look at the river on google earth and it passes under several bridges as well as meandering so there could be some ‘snag points’ possibly? Or not? It’s only 3-4 miles to the Humber/sea is it not?
Lincolnshire rescue team assist Libby Squire search

From a couple past cases where bodies ended up in a moving stream or river, what usually happens is the body is found along the banks hung up in debri near the bank.

Any bend in the river then things in the water will be forced by the current to the outside bend of the curve which is why typically bodies end up hung up on the far banks after a curve.

It really will depend on a lot of things like how fast the current, how much vegetation is growing along the banks, etc.

The one thing that is not helping is the cold water. Because that makes it harder for a body to bloat up and float. In one case where an ice fisherman fell through the ice in a cold lake the body stayed on bottom until rescuers used special equipment to pull the body off the bottom. A moving river will have more chance to move the body along but it also could get hung up on any number of things including anything along the bottom.

 

[Strontium69]

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I'm not disputing that's what was reported.

Really it's not more than just an observation into the Police side of things... I'm not suggesting there is anything pertinent in that somehow.

I saw a picture at the time showing a side on angle and the camera was definitively pointing into the roof space.

They were also using it to look into heavy bushes and garages, sheds and outhouses.

But what would they be hoping to find in a gutter with an infrared camera that they couldn't find with a normal camera? These cameras are normally used for looking for bodies because they identify heat sources. What heat source is going to be in a gutter a week into sub zero temperatures??

 

[Chester]

With an infrared?

Looking at the photos of the house at Raglan street last week, I wondered about the specialist equipment going into the house.

Cameras/lights etc?

I wondered especially what this was? I could only think it was a roll-up screen, but I thought that was a bit much for evidence photography?

It was probably the poles for the infrared camera.

The big black roll is a black out kit used to reduce background light and help detect if Luminol is glowing due to biological traces being found.

 

[flowerpot]

From a couple past cases where bodies ended up in a moving stream or river, what usually happens is the body is found along the banks hung up in debri near the bank.

Any bend in the river then things in the water will be forced by the current to the outside bend of the curve which is why typically bodies end up hung up on the far banks after a curve.

It really will depend on a lot of things like how fast the current, how much vegetation is growing along the banks, etc.

The one thing that is not helping is the cold water. Because that makes it harder for a body to bloat up and float. In one case where an ice fisherman fell through the ice in a cold lake the body stayed on bottom until rescuers used special equipment to pull the body off the bottom. A moving river will have more chance to move the body along but it also could get hung up on any number of things including anything along the bottom.

Thanks that’s really helpful Hatfield. Simply curious, I know nothing about what could/would happen and I wasn’t aware about the temperature etc. God I hope, I hope that’s not where she is

 

[Happybunny86]

Would the pond not have been frozen?

That was what I meant to ask instead of saying how cold was it!!!! So I wondered if my own theory of her being in water in the park might be wrong. Unless the river thawed out and was moving before the police looked

 

[Chester]

I'm not disputing that's what was reported.

Really it's not more than just an observation into the Police side of things... I'm not suggesting there is anything pertinent in that somehow.

I saw a picture at the time showing a side on angle and the camera was definitively pointing into the roof space.

They were also using it to look into heavy bushes and garages, sheds and outhouses.

But what would they be hoping to find in a gutter with an infrared camera that they couldn't find with a normal camera? These cameras are normally used for looking for bodies because they identify heat sources. What heat source is going to be in a gutter a week into sub zero temperatures??

More likely checking edges of roof space for heat or sound sources. Remember at this stage it was still be treated as an abduction, they were looking for a live person who had been hidden.

 

[Happybunny86]

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Oops I meant to say would the water be solid and might it be less likely she was in there.

 

[flowerpot]

That was what I meant to ask instead of saying how cold was it!!!! So I wondered if my own theory of her being in water in the park might be wrong. Unless the river thawed out and was moving before the police looked

I would have thought that the river would be less frozen if at all as it’s a moving body of water. Whereas the pond is pretty much static so would freeze over quicker from its shallowest points, so the edges would freeze first and the middle last. It’s probably more technical than that but that’s my understanding. Therefore if the pond was starting to freeze over from its shoreline and she went in, could the ice show signs of this i.e. a break in the ice or a thinner area if it had started to ice back over? Is this what you’re thinking?

ETA: Would that make the river more likely if the pond was frozen/freezing?

 

[Strontium69]

More likely checking edges of roof space for heat or sound sources. Remember at this stage it was still be treated as an abduction, they were looking for a live person who had been hidden.

Which was really my original point, just how fine they were looking for someone, that was my thought, they were looking in the corner of the roof space, but just also going through a process of checking everything possible to 'eliminate from enquiries'. Like a medic will do, even if you come in with a broken leg, they will ask you all sorts of questions apparently unrelated. It also reflects part of a Police process to approach evidence gathering from more than one perspective. After checking the loft from the inside, possible also with an infra red, they also look from the outside. No matter how clever a crimo may be to hide his tracks in one direction, by altering view/perspective/method something else can appear which illuminates things.

Columbo does this switching modes a lot.

 

[hitthenick]

Can we put to bed the silver Astra thing.

Vauxhall sell approx 3,000 Astras a year according to this website: Search results for 'vauxhall / astra' - How Many Left?

Over 21% of all cars sold in the UK are silver, higher % in the past according to this website: Britain’s most popular car colour is silver, says RAC

The fifth generation Astra was sold from 2004 to 2010 (7 years)

So we have approx 21,000 cars sold, 21% of which are silver = approx 4,400 5th generation silver Astras on the road in the UK.

The urban area of Hull has a population of approx 573,000 people. The UK population is approx 66.2 Million. This gives us a figure of approx 0.87% of the population living in this area.

If we assume these cars are evenly distributed across the entire UK population (they are not but lets go with it) this means there are approx 38 of these cars in this area.

This figure is wrong as Vauxhall cars are far more popular in the North of England but it serves to show as a minimum there are 38 silver Astras like the car shown in the CCTV in this area.

It's not a stretch to expect more than one of them to show up on CCTV in the same evening.

I wish we could but your sales figures are completely wrong for the Astra, thats coming from a VX insider. You're correct that Star Silver was the most sold colour, most of them got sold to hire companies from new, like enterprise, hertz etc, we knew this because the log books always told us, we used to buy them back at 14,000 miles at the most then resell them at our group of dealerships. Yet 1,000's per annum were leased/sold privately each year too.

On the whole, your post is irrelevant really because it just doesn't apply as car has been seized by the police anyway.

5th gen had a facelift in 2006 don't forget which changed certain features going forward. I can break every one of these features down if need be but it is just pointless. On Astras, wheels are the big give away along with a badge just on the wing of the car behind the front wheel to differenciate models along with interior trims.

The models they did then were the Life, Club, SXi, SRi, Elite and the VXR.
VXR was only a 3 door HP model.
Life, Club, SXi, SRi and Elite were both 5 door hatchback and estates.
SXi and SRi were also 3 door too as well as estates.

 

[Hatfield]

Oops I meant to say would the water be solid and might it be less likely she was in there.

This video is showing search of Oak Road Pond and it is clearly not frozen so I am sure the river is not frozen either.

Moving bodies of water like rivers do not typically freeze unless it is extremely cold for a very long period of time.

Ponds yes can freeze over but even they take a prolonged period of time of consistently below 0 degrees celcius before they will freeze and that is because during the day the temperature can warm up above 0, so it takes consistently low temperatures to finally freeze over a pond. Im not sure if any of the ponds were ever frozen before now but this one is clearly not frozen in this video.

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