Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest* #2

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CharlestonGal said:
Wow. That would be really insane. If that is the case, surely more people would be arrested? IMO
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So if he is a travelling person...from my experience ( I live next door to a settled family) they are very loyal to their own and are known to become very tight lipped when it comes to the law and wrong doings......this is based on fact and my own experience......I’m not implying this has happened here just MOO.
 
CharlestonGal said:
I still don't understand why the suspect placed Lindsay's body in the cemetery. Actually, I don't understand any of this. Boggles the mind. IMO
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Do you know I don't feel it is any more complex than something occurred in or around the pub and LB was murdered. I don't think hers or any other potential victims death was pre-planned.

Would the mindset not be to return the scene to normal, to pretend that this awful event had not taken place and to distance himself from the awful reality that he had killed and had a dead body on his hands?

He hid the body in or near the pub, whilst he considered his options. He wrapped the body in plastic because the sight of it repulsed him as he witnessed the post-mortem changes in its appearance and odour.

His disposal options were limited and has been alluded to elsewhere there could be a degree of perverse compassion or simple logic that it should be buried in a shallow grave in the cemetery, 'because that is where bodies are buried'.

Just my thoughts. I hope they don't seem too warped!
 
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The boy in the CCTV looks at best only average in terms of his build and physical strength.

Moving a medium sized adult female dead body around single handedly, requires not only incredible physical strength (ask a friend or partner to lie on the floor playing dead and you try to pick them up and move them...), but would require a state of mind which I don't think would be present in somebody with learning difficulties.

Even if he didn't think through the whole attack, he knew he had to dispose of the body in someway to avoid detection.

Have we established if he was known to the family in some way yet?
 
Whitehall 1212 said:
Do you know I don't feel it is any more complex than something occurred in or around the pub and LB was murdered. I don't think hers or any other potential victims death was pre-planned.

Would the mindset not be to return the scene to normal, to pretend that this awful event had not taken place and to distance himself from the awful reality that he had killed and had a dead body on his hands?

He hid the body in or near the pub, whilst he considered his options. He wrapped the body in plastic because the sight of it repulsed him as he witnessed the post-mortem changes in its appearance and odour.

His disposal options were limited and has been alluded to elsewhere there could be a degree of perverse compassion or simple logic that it should be buried in a shallow grave in the cemetery, 'because that is where bodies are buried'.

Just my thoughts. I hope they don't seem too warped!
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I think you have come up with the most likely scenario.
 
The cctv of him that was released could be easily explained. He was rumoured to move a bit of scrap metal about in wheelie bins, if for instance he was a traveller and he lived on the site at Whinney Hill then that would be his easiest route home. He’d turn right down Whitewell road, across the railway bridge, down between Highams playing field (on his left) and Accrington CC (on his right) turn right again down the path towards Whinney hill site adjacent to the cricket club. MOO
If someone uploads a pic of the local area it would be clear the route he’d take.
There’s got to be more to it JMO
 
Playing devils advocate again here but if he did use wheelie bins for his “work” maybe he used to stash them in the cemetery, out the way, so he didn’t have to drag them home if he did live on the local traveller site.
Obviously they’ve charged him so they’ve got a lot more on him than we know.
 
Skigh said:
I think you have come up with the most likely scenario.
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It's a possible one. After reading some of the most far-fetched theories on other threads elsewhere, it is apparent that people's imaginations are running riot....and that is understandable, when LE rightly do not release any more than the scant detail, we all want to fill in the the huge blanks. As humans we have a need to understand how and why bad things happen.

A criminal psychologist or forensic psychiatrist would probably come if with something far more interesting than my amateur assessment. Hopefully one will shout up on here :)
 
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LancashireLad said:
The cctv of him that was released could be easily explained. He was rumoured to move a bit of scrap metal about in wheelie bins, if for instance he was a traveller and he lived on the site at Whinney Hill then that would be his easiest route home. He’d turn right down Whitewell road, across the railway bridge, down between Highams playing field (on his left) and Accrington CC (on his right) turn right again down the path towards Whinney hill site adjacent to the cricket club. MOO
If someone uploads a pic of the local area it would be clear the route he’d take.
There’s got to be more to it JMO
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Is this the site @LancashireLad ? And if so do you know what that pond is/was, and if it's still there?

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LancashireLad said:
Playing devils advocate again here but if he did use wheelie bins for his “work” maybe he used to stash them in the cemetery, out the way, so he didn’t have to drag them home if he did live on the local traveller site.
Obviously they’ve charged him so they’ve got a lot more on him than we know.
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Defo a possibly that he stashed his bins ....wouldn’t it be a massive coincidence if the LE had just chanced on these bins and found the connection to the young lad just due to its locality to the body hence the appeal ........I guess now that I think about it that probs happened MOO
 
CoverMeCagney said:
It should come up slap bang in the middle of my google link (opposite Suez Recycling). I can't see a traveller site on that map, though. May be looking in the same place.
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Old disused quarry or tip would be my guess. Across the road is the tip that used nowadays. If you follow the road down to the left Whinney hill traveller site is there. It’s got “forterra” marked above it whatever that means
 
LancashireLad said:
Old disused quarry or tip would be my guess. Across the road is the tip that used nowadays. If you follow the road down to the left Whinney hill traveller site is there. It’s got “forterra” marked above it whatever that means
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Ohhh, I see it now... considerably smaller than I'd imagined. Any idea how many people live there?
 
Kaykedi said:
My refuse bin was emptied on

My refuse bin(not recycling) was emptied on Tuesday 27th August. I'm wondering if the Whitakers Arms was the same collection day?[/QUOTE
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I notice on google maps that the next building to the pub in the direction Lindsay was walking is Hillside Funeral Directors. Surely these would have CCTV? No doubt the police would have viewed them and if there is no sign of Lindsay after the 4.06 sighting then that would mean that she must have either gone into the Whitakers Arms, the car park at the back of the pub or the side road that eventually leads to The Coppice.
 
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