Found Deceased UK - Lindsay Birbeck, 47, Accrington, 12 Aug 2019 *Arrest* #2

[Spender]

Maybe in the cctv of the boy with the bin ....on that particular date he was going about his usual business with scrap metal (after the horrible events that have occurred days before) and there was no body in the bin and it was hidden in the cemetery in the undergrowth and somehow had been missed by the search parties ? Then he’s got spooked by police activity and took his bin to the cemetery to remove the body ....got scared off and left his bin . MOO

 

[Rosegold68]

my friend is 47,nearly 48 and my middle son is 16. im struggling to think of any reason they would have to be together

really struggling with this

 

[GoldenFlower]

Maybe in the cctv of the boy with the bin ....on that particular date he was going about his usual business with scrap metal (after the horrible events that have occurred days before) and there was no body in the bin and it was hidden in the cemetery in the undergrowth and somehow had been missed by the search parties ? Then he’s got spooked by police activity and took his bin to the cemetery to remove the body ....got scared off and left his bin . MOO

This is what is getting me, IF he got spooked with cctv/search and didn’t want the body discovered for fear of getting caught...why leave the bin behind with possible fingerprints all over it.

 

[SpursGyal]

MMO - Is that they didn't have a reason to be together, im thinking this is a random/opportunist/confrontation gone wrong.

We don't know that there is fingerprints on the bin, he may have worn gloves, thought he wiped it down as he left it? - MMO again.

 

[LadyL]

Tearful mum SMILES at son, 16, accused of killing teaching assistant

I don't know about anyone else, but the 'tearful' part along with 'nervously smiling', screams at me that the accused is not mentally well or is challenged in the sense of learning difficulties?

Of course this is MOO.

[rbm]

it was his mother that was tearful and nervously smiling ... article does not describe suspect's mannerisms

 

[Lucy6226]

[rbm]

it was his mother that was tearful and nervously smiling ... article does not describe suspect's mannerisms

I think the comment was regarding the mother's reaction to the boy, she is obviously sympathetic and supportive towards him, which must be incredibly difficult. As a mother I could imagine that the only reason for this is that the boy is mentally unwell. In my experience it is a real challenge to get access to mental health services for children and young adults. All MOO

 

[Sillybilly]

Please don't try skirting around TOS by presenting rumors as dreams.

Websleuths is fact based. Rumors and dreams are not allowed.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Does anyone think that the suspect was frequently in that area and noticed a lone female (Lindsay) out and about frequently and just took an opportunity to accost, rape and kill her? Could it be as simple as that? I absolutely think he had help afterwards, but I think he did the initial deed on his own. IMO

 

[Amonet]

I am sure they had been searching the Cemetery too.

Again, JMO (hope this fits with the rules), but I was pondering whether there is a certain psychological reaction to committing such an offence where you want the truth to come out? Apart from the psychopathic profile, where they are looking for notoriety, which my gut feeling doesn't think is the case here (MOO).

Good question and something I was wondering at one point.. Some murderers simply want the body to be found but not get caught, and I would think some subconsciously want to play with the risk of getting caught as well.

But I'm not really feeling that here. One of the news reports were that the body was somehow concealed, so I don't think the person responsible did want the body found.

 

[LucyRocket]

the bins would have been emptied ....maybe a trip to landfill is required

Probably not if the property is currently unoccupied

 

[Spender]

Back to her mobile being missing and switched off . MOO perhaps she did know her killer ( not necessarily the boy charged ) and I’m sure LE have investigated this.........she has switched her phone off because the person she was possibly going to meet up with was hassling her because of a disagreement of some kind.When the meeting has happened and things turned in to this sad situation the perp has taken the phone in the hope all evidence would be lost ?

 

[GoldenFlower]

Does anyone think that the suspect was frequently in that area and noticed a lone female (Lindsay) out and about frequently and just took an opportunity to accost, rape and kill her? Could it be as simple as that? I absolutely think he had help afterwards, but I think he did the initial deed on his own. IMO

If he lives in the area it could well be CharlestonGal. Some locals go running round the Coppice.

I really did expect other arrests. A lot of searching is being centred around the areas behind the Whittaker’s Arms, and has done since the morning after his arrest. He’s been caught on cctv around Whitewell, probably a number of times, if he had help moving her I would have thought his accomplice would have been captured too with him.

There’s been no appeal to help trace anyone else though.

MOO

 

[LucyRocket]

IMO.... and I could be totally wrong, stranger things have happened. I think we may be putting too much significance on the bin. If LE thought Lindsay could have been in that bin, not just in the released footage, but at any time, I really don't think they would have released it. That would be far too graphic and thinking of her family and loved ones, how could you ever get that out of your mind? It would cause lifelong mental distress, and I really don't think they would have done that. Now if you consider that the main objective was that they needed the boy identified, I think they would have released an image only, or even a description 'anyone seen a young, dark haired man, wheeling a bin along 'x' street?' would have been a sufficient starting point.

We know that Lindsay is connected to the cemetery. We know that the bin is connected to the cemetery. We know that the boy is connected to the bin. That does not mean that Lindsay is connected to the bin.

Add to this the fact that I would have trouble lifting an empty box into one of those bins! And although the possibility of the boy having help to move her body has been suggested, I don't think it's realistic that anyone helping would suggest it's a good idea to send him off alone with a bin at 2:30 on a Saturday afternoon.

With the quality and pertinency of the CCTV footage we have seen of Lindsay and the boy, I think there must be a lot more footage, therefore there is likely more incriminating footage, and also there would have been enough footage for authorities to select a section which was going to cause the least distress to the family

All MOO

 

[catgreen]

I think the comment was regarding the mother's reaction to the boy, she is obviously sympathetic and supportive towards him, which must be incredibly difficult. As a mother I could imagine that the only reason for this is that the boy is mentally unwell. In my experience it is a real challenge to get access to mental health services for children and young adults. All MOO

I'm not sure that it is correct to say 'as a mother I could imagine the only reason for this is....', surely we are all different and behave differently under severe stress, even us mothers?

 

[Spender]

IMO.... and I could be totally wrong, stranger things have happened. I think we may be putting too much significance on the bin. If LE thought Lindsay could have been in that bin, not just in the released footage, but at any time, I really don't think they would have released it. That would be far too graphic and thinking of her family and loved ones, how could you ever get that out of your mind? It would cause lifelong mental distress, and I really don't think they would have done that. Now if you consider that the main objective was that they needed the boy identified, I think they would have released an image only, or even a description 'anyone seen a young, dark haired man, wheeling a bin along 'x' street?' would have been a sufficient starting point.

We know that Lindsay is connected to the cemetery. We know that the bin is connected to the cemetery. We know that the boy is connected to the bin. That does not mean that Lindsay is connected to the bin.

Add to this the fact that I would have trouble lifting an empty box into one of those bins! And although the possibility of the boy having help to move her body has been suggested, I don't think it's realistic that anyone helping would suggest it's a good idea to send him off alone with a bin at 2:30 on a Saturday afternoon.

With the quality and pertinency of the CCTV footage we have seen of Lindsay and the boy, I think there must be a lot more footage, therefore there is likely more incriminating footage, and also there would have been enough footage for authorities to select a section which was going to cause the least distress to the family

All MOO

All good points made .Perhaps they put that video out to get public reaction ( implying that the body is in the bin without ever saying it )and to get intel to get the lad quickly arrested and off the streets. MOO is it possible an accomplice is still at large and the boy although being involved in someway is not the main suspect.?

 

[GoldenFlower]

IMO.... and I could be totally wrong, stranger things have happened. I think we may be putting too much significance on the bin. If LE thought Lindsay could have been in that bin, not just in the released footage, but at any time, I really don't think they would have released it. That would be far too graphic and thinking of her family and loved ones, how could you ever get that out of your mind? It would cause lifelong mental distress, and I really don't think they would have done that. Now if you consider that the main objective was that they needed the boy identified, I think they would have released an image only, or even a description 'anyone seen a young, dark haired man, wheeling a bin along 'x' street?' would have been a sufficient starting point.

We know that Lindsay is connected to the cemetery. We know that the bin is connected to the cemetery. We know that the boy is connected to the bin. That does not mean that Lindsay is connected to the bin.

Add to this the fact that I would have trouble lifting an empty box into one of those bins! And although the possibility of the boy having help to move her body has been suggested, I don't think it's realistic that anyone helping would suggest it's a good idea to send him off alone with a bin at 2:30 on a Saturday afternoon.

With the quality and pertinency of the CCTV footage we have seen of Lindsay and the boy, I think there must be a lot more footage, therefore there is likely more incriminating footage, and also there would have been enough footage for authorities to select a section which was going to cause the least distress to the family

All MOO

I understand what you are saying, but if the LE wanted to cause the least distress to the family why on earth did they say a similar bin had been found near the body...

 

[Spender]

I understand what you are saying, but if the LE wanted to cause the least distress to the family why on earth did they say a similar bin had been found near the body...

To be fair any information released by LE regarding a family member who has been a victim of foul play will be distressing.....obviously they have more shocking evidence /footage and this was the lesser and another thing to bare in mind LE are constantly being battered for not updating and keeping the public informed MOO

 

[GoldenFlower]

To be fair any information released by LE regarding a family member who has been a victim of foul play will be distressing.....obviously they have more shocking evidence /footage and this was the lesser and another thing to bare in mind LE are constantly being battered for not updating and keeping the public informed MOO

I’m sorry if my reply to LucyRocket came across as rude, it wasn’t meant to be, she made some good points.

I was just thinking out loud

 

[Smccat]

Dbm

 

[Alyce]

A 16-year-old boy is due to appear at Preston Crown Court this morning accused of strangling a teaching assistant in a random attack.



Teen to appear in crown court charged with Lindsay murder


the BIB is mine