Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #16

[Marie Bell]

If you were walking along the river bank and saw someone in the water, drowning, what do you do? Try to save them and risk your own life? Call for help? Who do you call? Coastguard? Fire and rescue? or police? How much of a description of that person do you think you could give?
Would it be treated as a blue light emergency?

You'd ring 999 and they'd dispatch fire, ambulance and police. Meanwhile they'd keep you on the line, asking you if you can keep tracking the person and asking you to look out for anything which you could use to assist them.

 

[Cluella DeVille]

Just wondering as NB and PA's children were at home during the night and also in the morning of when NB later went missing, would the children be legally allowed to be gently questioned about anything they saw/heard?.

One would assume the children may have been asked if their mummy seemed happy/sad/angry/upset between getting up that morning and being dropped off at school, if only to establish a picture of her emotional state of mind. Whatever the response may or may not lead to other questions. Children see and hear much more than we realise sometimes, out of the mouths of babes eh?

 

[PeggyHenry]

Think where all of that would fall down for me is why PA, who had nowhere to be for an hour that morning and was also quiet enough to be off to the gym, whereas she had a zoom meeting, wouldn’t have supported her in the school run either by doing it or going with her. The suggestion is that she had huge side effects coming off HRT that caused this ‘crisis’ and that drink may have also been a problem. But on the other hand we have her off driving to meetings, doing zooms, getting the breakfast ready. We know about Jan 10th, so presumably those close to her knew there was a vulnerable situation. And we know those close to her felt like she had huge side effects with coming off HRT, and possibly has an issue with alcohol again, but then there she is doing school runs etc driving her precious children in a car , laughing with school mums , whilst PA is having a nice cup of tea at home, the picture doesn’t add up for me.

She wasn’t hiding things from her family as they knew all about these problems. And they seem pretty clear she was close to ‘crisis’

I agree … the picture isn’t adding up.

 

[PeggyHenry]

I agree … the picture isn’t adding up.

Sorry didn’t mean to reply to my own message .

She is busy during this Thursday - Friday period- a busy working mum.

Driving to garstang to meet with boss on Thursday afternoon(time not confirmed but we do know she arrives home after parents have collected girls from school).
We don’t know why this meeting was important and had to be face to face. The boss drove a considerable distance and we know most things can be done by FaceTime/ zoom/ phone / file transfer. I’m a little curious as to why they met up in person.
She then had zoom meeting after which parents leave and she is upbeat! No mention of where PA is or if he is in or not.
Next morning she has a scheduled Teams meeting but prior to this drops girls off
, chats with other Mums and then heads off to walk Willow. She emails boss and texts friend to arrange play date.
So she seems to be pretty on top of her game during the preceding hours to her disappearance! She had energy so I am presuming the upbeat mood has carried into the next morning. If you’re feeling low and down you simply don’t have the energy to do all of that.

We know she had tensions at home.. it’s been made clear. It maybe that she feels happy and upbeat when out in the fresh air.. doing things. That’s usually the case.
It makes me tend to think there was no tragic accident or fall or attempt to throw herself into the river. Something happened as she arrived back at that bench imo.

 

[Cluella DeVille]

Yet the area around a bench, where her phone was found, was not cordoned off to preserve evidence. “This was because her disappearance was considered non-suspicious at the time,” a Lancashire police source said.
So is NB disappearance still considered non-suspicious?

Unless LE possess a shred of evidence for any kind of scenario, how can any possibility be discounted? All the public speculation rose in the first place because they admitted there was no evidence she went in the water but it was their working hypothesis. The fact that there is still no known evidence she went in the water has only added fuel to the fire

 

[Miss_French]

@Luxee - this leads to my question - if PA never made it as far as the bench and got turned around when did he go off and look at the big property on his own and why?

PA did go to the bench. He met other dog walkers there and collected Willow and the phone. It's discussed up this thread and he said it in the TV programme.

 

[Mollie123]

Anyone know if there's been any checks for trail cams in the area where Nicola disappeared ?

Can you explain what a trail cam is please?

 

[Cluella DeVille]

Many thanks for link - I am very curious of the witness accounts given that would have justified waiting from 09:33~ to 10:50~ before notifying the authorities. The male dog walker stated that he wondered if someone had gone to the toilet, but I just wonder how suspicion didn't creep up extremely quickly as the apparent owner of the dog didn't appear after say 10 minutes.

EDIT: Spelling

Because IMO he didn't hang around to see if anyone came back to the bench

 

[Undecided]

Unless LE possess a shred of evidence for any kind of scenario, how can any possibility be discounted? All the public speculation rose in the first place because they admitted there was no evidence she went in the water but it was their working hypothesis. The fact that there is still no known evidence she went in the water has only added fuel to the fire

Unless LE possess a shred of evidence for any kind of scenario, how can any possibility be discounted? All the public speculation rose in the first place because they admitted there was no evidence she went in the water but it was their working hypothesis. The fact that there is still no known evidence she went in the water has only added fuel to the fire

Yes, I think the Lancashire police did say they had collected needed evidence at the time from the bench when they were criticised, I think on Twitter, although with hindsight maybe they would’ve done more, I got that impression from the police conference when the SIO was asked about why the bench wasn’t cordoned off. Evidence is needed with witness statements so confusing. Let’s hope the police have a clear picture of post 9.10 as I still don’t myself.

 

[bringmeacupoft]

Because IMO he didn't hang around to see if anyone came back to the bench

Which is interesting

 

[Undecided]

Sorry didn’t mean to reply to my own message .

She is busy during this Thursday - Friday period- a busy working mum.

Driving to garstang to meet with boss on Thursday afternoon(time not confirmed but we do know she arrives home after parents have collected girls from school).
We don’t know why this meeting was important and had to be face to face. The boss drove a considerable distance and we know most things can be done by FaceTime/ zoom/ phone / file transfer. I’m a little curious as to why they met up in person.
She then had zoom meeting after which parents leave and she is upbeat! No mention of where PA is or if he is in or not.
Next morning she has a scheduled Teams meeting but prior to this drops girls off
, chats with other Mums and then heads off to walk Willow. She emails boss and texts friend to arrange play date.
So she seems to be pretty on top of her game during the preceding hours to her disappearance! She had energy so I am presuming the upbeat mood has carried into the next morning. If you’re feeling low and down you simply don’t have the energy to do all of that.

We know she had tensions at home.. it’s been made clear. It maybe that she feels happy and upbeat when out in the fresh air.. doing things. That’s usually the case.
It makes me tend to think there was no tragic accident or fall or attempt to throw herself into the river. Something happened as she arrived back at that bench imo.

Yes, I think at the very least the woman on the brink theory leaves some holes. Agree too that she probably liked getting out, it’s just so frustrating she has no voice of her own. I feel for her that she’s been discussed so much without her input, she might have a completely different view of her life.

 

[pineapple23]

Can you explain what a trail cam is please?

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[Mollie123]

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Thank you. Surely these would have been mentioned or accessed if there were any present?

 

[Agatha3]

Because IMO he didn't hang around to see if anyone came back to the bench

Also I wonder if he, Ron, thought “oh well, she’s nipped off for a little while, none of my business..”

 

[Agatha3]

Risky for an attacker to murder her right there and then chuck her in the river even as a spontaneous act. They’d have had to lure her away/abduct her first to avoid being caught, it is very rare for someone to do that as a spontaneous act though, usually it’s planned/premeditated. The fact they may have seen the police spend all this time searching in the river, if I was an abductor, I would put her in the river now and when they eventually find her, pathologists might not be able to determine her cause of death after a certain length of time. And they might just come to the conclusion it was death by drowning, and the abductor gets away with it. Apologies for my bluntness but I’m autistic and generally say exactly what I’m thinking and I see it how it is sometimes.

Yes, any strangulation marks would be then be difficult to define. As would a bash over the head which could be damage by rocks.

 

[PeggyHenry]

Yes, I think at the very least the woman on the brink theory leaves some holes. Agree too that she probably liked getting out, it’s just so frustrating she has no voice of her own. I feel for her that she’s been discussed so much without her input, she might have a completely different view of her life.

Yes that’s usually the case! Her perspective on matters probably differs wildly to what we are aware of through hearsay. Her sister and family say she’d do anything for anyone and I tend to think, like many of us, we still plough on and put others first even when we’re going through challenging times.

 

[ayrshireguy]

Also I wonder if he, Ron, thought “oh well, she’s nipped off for a little while, none of my business..”

Then he got to the brick building and thought 'wait a minute, this isn't right at all'. Or whatever he said in the Sky News interview.

 

[mrblack]

Risky for an attacker to murder her right there and then chuck her in the river even as a spontaneous act. They’d have had to lure her away/abduct her first to avoid being caught, it is very rare for someone to do that as a spontaneous act though, usually it’s planned/premeditated. The fact they may have seen the police spend all this time searching in the river, if I was an abductor, I would put her in the river now and when they eventually find her, pathologists might not be able to determine her cause of death after a certain length of time. And they might just come to the conclusion it was death by drowning, and the abductor gets away with it. Apologies for my bluntness but I’m autistic and generally say exactly what I’m thinking and I see it how it is sometimes.

A body just put in water would be very different to a body that had been in water for weeks. Pathologist would be able to tell. This scenario is so unlikely to happen. There is extra police, public and media near the river.

 

[Simplistic67]

My biggest stumbling block on this being a simple accident, is the Strava app deviation that heads towards a lane by the village hall, and the search in that area by PA looking at a derelict building...Extremely puzzling IMO

 

[Simplistic67]

Also I wonder if he, Ron, thought “oh well, she’s nipped off for a little while, none of my business..”

Im still convinced someone was tasked to look after Willow whilst NB nipped to a public toilet, and made good her escape, maybe...Everyone panicked when she didnt return and no one wanted to take responsibility