Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #5

[Sara11272]

Yes I noticed that in an earlier clip yesterday but can't find that clip now.

In this other clip he mentions side-scan sonar as if LE do not have access to that tech even though almost all the news reports had already said that LE were using side scan sonar.

( Had a quick look on Home Office reports - side scan sonar developed 1970s https://www.ukfrs.com/sites/default/files/2017-09/Techincal Memorandum 1_81 - Aids to Underwater Searching.pdf)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1621556197672239112

Also, Lancs Police can draw down support from other specialist units such as this one below:

'The North West Police Underwater Search & Marine Unit has been in existence since 1974 and provides specialist search and recovery services to all the Forces in the North West of England, North Wales, and across the UK via police mutual aid protocols. Officers are seconded to the Unit from, Merseyside, Greater Manchester, Lancashire, Cheshire, Cumbria & North Wales, with the Unit being made up of 12 full-time police officers (an Inspector, a Sergeant and 10 Constables) along with a civilian Dive Technician. All the Officers are qualified HSE commercial divers (SCUBA and Surface Supply), licensed search officers and high risk confined space trained.

In addition to these specialist skills, the Officers are also trained to operate a wide range of police vessels from small inflatables and Rigid Hull Inflatable Boats (RHIBs) through to larger survey boats and the Police Launch ‘Cormorant,’ which can deploy up to 60 miles offshore. The Unit uses sophisticated sonar technology to search large areas of water, but it is a sub-surface blind fingertip search for smaller items such as weapons or phones that is their most common method of search.'

North West Police Underwater Search & Marine Unit - AdventureSmartUK

EDITED to add
Have since found that this^ unit has been employed in the search for Nicola Police divers check river in search for missing dog walker Nicola Bulley - Perspective Magazine

Agree with all you say. <modsnip>

 

[msmarple99]

This is similar to what I said previously. I guarantee if she does get found in the water, lots will claim she must have been dumped there after the police started focusing on the water as a diversion.

What's that saying? If you hear hooves, think horse, not zebra.

But then pathologist for length of time in water etc

 

[justicepeace]

Out of curiosity does anyone know how long Nikki usually walked her dog in the morning? I know she started the walk after dropping her girls off at school around 8:30am and started the walk at 8:43am. She then emailed her boss at 8:53am and joined the work Teams meeting at 09:01 which she had muted while listening in.

So, would it be feasible to say her daily walk with the dog usually took about an hour? If so, she’d then collect her car and be back home by, say, 10am latest? I’m just guessing here…

I know her partner was working from home and was alerted that Nikki was missing at around 10:50am.

I’m just wondering if her partner phoned her prior to 10:50am if indeed she was late returning home?

Of course, she may not have always returned home before then, so there’d be no need for her partner to call her, but I’m just wondering what her regular routine was timeframe wise.

Was she going to run errands before returning home with the dog, I wonder?

Police were called at 10:50am by PA (consistent narrative throughout) having been contacted by either school or daughter-in-law of lady who found willow roaming free (not known which one contacted him for sure). Phone was found at bench area so unless she had an additional phone I think we can discount he called her, jmo.

 

[YaYa_521]

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[YaYa_521]

Please re-read posts #2-6 of this thread and The Rules before you continue discussing Nicola's case.

 

[Sjöberg]

Police were called at 10:50am by PA (consistent narrative throughout) having been contacted by either school or daughter-in-law of lady who found willow roaming free (not known which one contacted him for sure).

I think this could have been the same person/contact. Meaning I think it is possible the daughter in law worked at the school and either contacted herself or passed the information to a colleague who made the call (such as the teacher of one of the girls or the secretary who usually makes some calls if they have one etc). Small village.

Phone was found at bench area so unless she had an additional phone I think we can discount he called her, jmo.

Sorry, I'm not following. How does the area where the phone was found indicate if the husband called said phone or not? It has not been said if the phone had any answered on unanswered calls from the hubby. And I don't think it was out of range?

Normally I'd think that as no phone calls were mentioned that there were none, but with the very scarce factual info in this case, I'm not making any conclusions like that.

 

[3point5]

HEADS UP!!!

This man, yet again, is offering his service with highest hit rate of finding bodies in water, with his millions of pounds worth of equipment. He is offering this service free of charge. He wants to help the family. <modsnip>

from GB News:

<modsnip - discussing moderation> However, what makes him so sure the other search and rescue crews currently working on it haven't used sonar?

 

[rhino]

Vile speculation hurtful to Nicola Bulley's family, friend says

Nicola Bulley’s friend says speculation online is hurtful as police condemn social media abuse.

www.bbc.co.uk

I feel so bad for her poor family and friends, just hope they get answers soon.

 

[Sandyuk]

In that case she either would’ve been walking the opposite way to NB and been going in the direction of Rowanwater or the same way as NB heading towards the bench.

 

[cottonweaver]

HEADS UP!!!

This man, yet again, is offering his service with highest hit rate of finding bodies in water, with his millions of pounds worth of equipment. He is offering this service free of charge. He wants to help the family. <modsnip>

from GB News:

What makes you think that the North West Police Underwater Search & Marine Unit working on the case don't already have access to suitable equipment? ( They've only been established since - checks notes - 1974)

<modsnip - off topic>

<modsnip - not an approved source>

https://twitter.com/x/status/1622187052308512768

some of more of peter's claims to date

https://twitter.com/x/status/1622137717499772930

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1621558043208024065?s=20&t=b8AQtwU0kDL16dmofBzBiw

Says ‘investigators should have found some evidence by now considering how long ‘

"This is not a fast moving tidal river, I would have expected her to be found by the Police divers by now."
https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1622183215858434049?s=20&t=b8AQtwU0kDL16dmofBzBiw

 

[blueangellight]

Well yes. Because thats my opinion and offers nothing to this forum so I’m not going to elaborate. I’ve not read that list before and a lot of peoples questions/confusion will have been answered, especially around the dog. For me it created a question. Im not trying to be mysterious or vague for attention I’m just not adding speculation. There is already too much circulating.

I totally understand you view & resonate with it.

 

[PS8800]

Is this possible?
Nicola abducted / incapacitated on top field near Rowanwater. Maybe by someone she knew a bit? Perp takes NB and hides her (in bushes?), leaving phone on floor. Was dog on lead or loose? If loose this seems unlikely. If on lead, possible?

Perp takes dog to bench and leaves phone, dog and harness there.

Again, maybe unlikely- why would dog stay there?

Nicola leaving / taken from near bench seems more possible, fits better with behaviour of Willow.

But we can’t assume Nicola made it to the bench, we only know the dog and phone did.

Would they really be willing to take that risk of being seen with her dog and possessions???

 

[kate2931]

Posted last week that I felt sadly, Nicola had fallen into the water.

I live across the bay but was on the fylde for a week a few before Nicola went missing, there was persistent rain, likely to have affected the flow and level of many local rivers for the following weeks.

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[ginnyw]

Ah, how sad has this case become? I wake up every day and go looking to see if there are any updates. Things are troubling me about it all - firstly the fact that Nicola's daily walk route was so regular and so well-documented online for many people to see/study. Also the police saying that there was a 10-minute window where NB wasn't accounted for - it seems to me (JMO) that it might have been more that 10 minutes because of the lack of clarity over who put the mobile phone on the bench and I'm not quite sure how they can be sure it was only 10 minutes. The more I think about NB being a young, fit woman with strong swimming skills and how her dog wasn't wet, the more I am starting to move away from the theory that it's a falling accident. JMO.

 

[SanT88]

Following on from previous posts about wild swimming I found this:

The crook of the River Wyre proves a tempting wild space to swim. The river starts in the Bowland fells and reaches the sea at Fleetwood, and swimmers have found the spot to be easy to acclimate to, with the water eventually gets deep enough to swim beneath.

How to find it:

Park or walk down Allotment lane, near Wyreside Farm Caravan Park, then walk down towards the river, (PR3 0TZ).

Best wild swimming spots in Lancs - and how to stay safe

Explore these stunning outdoor swimming places across Lancashire for a refreshing dip

www.lancs.live

 

[PandaMarch]

<modsnip - discussing moderation> However, what makes him so sure the other search and rescue crews currently working on it haven't used sonar?

They have used sonar, as it was mentioned by the police officer in the press conference.<modsnip - referencing unapproved source>

 

[Moonchild90]

Do we know if NB <modsnip - sleuthing someone not named a POI> own any other properties?

 

[cottonweaver]

They have used sonar, as it was mentioned by the police officer in the press conference.<modsnip - referencing unapproved source>

Indeed they have
msm already reported that the underwater search team have been using side scan sonar

https://twitter.com/x/status/1621556197672239112

 

[MollyHarps]

At what point will the police scale back efforts? This search has been going on over a week now and resources unfortunately are finite.

MOO this is why family and friends keep criticising the police theory as they need the media to keep pressurising the police to continue the search.

 

[cottonweaver]

If you search on the BBC news website Peter's company is mentioned in a couple of articles of carrying out searches on behalf of police forces, although he's not named personally. Does he not have a point in that it should have been treated as a crime scene initially so that forensic checks for microfibres could be carried out?

as already posted - many forces had to cut their specialist underwater search teams due to lack of funding in the 2010s. ( eg Thames Valley lost their funding & the private company now has the contract)

as @kittythehare keeps posting, LancsPolice conducted a forensic search at the spot very soon after LE attended the scene but nothing extra seems to have been found.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1621157231084593156

However Peter Faulding believes that she never went into that river