Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #7

[PeggyHenry]

There are no current POIs for this I

I’m one of few , it seems, that don’t believe she had a tragic accident falling in the river. I believe foul play occurred.
One of my key reasons is because I’m a spaniel walker, springers and cockers for many years by a river. Our dogs are in and out of water. Regular dog walkers don’t venture near the riverside .. we just walk and the dogs know what they’re doing. If she’d only had the dog a week or two and watched it’s every move then yes.. possibly an accident.
Also, I think there was stuff going on in her life what with new business. Anyway, time will tell. One things for sure, I hope she’s found soon. If she’s in the river then there’s nothing more can be done for her except to locate her. If she isn’t, then there’s a lot to be worked on.

 

[Dinosaursplash]

I think the police need to look closely at this and the similarities with the Peter Baglin disappearance. JMO MOO IMO.

 

[karakuchi]

All of the photos I recall in media, the dog was not in water.
Would you like to back that up with a link?
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[WeeBeef]

why do the reports keep saying ankle length? Still, kneeling down on a steep embankment you can still get your knees trapped inside a coat causing a tumble.hmm maybe back to the drawing board for.me

I’ve managed to stand on the back of knee length cardigans/jackets while stooping/squatting which has then caused me to lose balance (more than once, may I add), so it’s pretty plausible in my opinion!

 

[Just-a-random-girl]

they don't need to, they have experts in water, drowning etc to consult

I'm specifically interested in the long padded coat/gillet she was wearing. You could be the world's biggest expert in downing cases and have never encountered a coat like that in the water. I am envisioning it sort of turning inside itself and ending up going over her head. If the coat in water made someone immobile it would explain a lot.

Have you ever got stuck trying to pull a dress or jumper over your head? That.

 

[Sara11272]

I don’t know what to think anymore.

If they find her in the river we’ll always wonder if it was an accident or maybe something else.

If they don’t find her we’ll wonder if they just couldn’t locate her, or if she was never in the river at all.

Sleuthing, by its nature, makes us inquisitive and suspicious, but tragic accidents do happen and sometimes people aren’t recovered. I’m worried it’s going to end up a cold case so I really hope she’s found soon; better to know than not know.

I agree. I saw this tragic case earlier, where a poor boy fell into a river in 2015 and has never been found. I assume they know he went into the river as he was seen. So people aren’t always found, sadly.

How a town came together in grief during search for missing boy

Monday marks the fifth anniversary of the disappearance of 11-year-old Cameron Comey, who fell into the River Towy as he played with his brother. He has never been found

www.walesonline.co.uk

 

[penguinface]

JMO I am fairly sure that phones (certainly iOS) do not store their gyroscope position unless being directly queried and stored by an app in use. Continuously writing the values of the accelerometer would mean storing a huge amount of data due to how often a phone moves.

Retrieving this data certainly wasn’t an option with earlier versions of iOS but this may well have changed.

Not saying the info in this link is necessarily accurate but it seems to suggest that, at least back in 2013, iOS was keeping a log of accelerometer/gyro data.

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[SpursGyal]

All of the photos I recall in media, the dog was not in water.
Would you like to back that up with a link?
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If you search Nicolas Facebook profile, which is allowed, you’ll see public posts that include Willow swimming in that very river.

 

[rosieposie121]

I’ve managed to stand on the back of knee length cardigans/jackets while stooping/squatting which has then caused me to lose balance (more than once, may I add), so it’s pretty plausible in my opinion!

Yes me too and imagine trying to put a harness on a excitable dog.. mid steep embankment .. before you know it you've tumbled down into the river. I just can't understand why the dog didn't go in after her if the dog is used to being in the water.

 

[russeverton]

Can anyone enlighten me on whether romanwater has been searched?. On the map there is a lake or something there

I thought I seen on a map some sort of pond near to where she was last spotted upper field! As far has I know it hasnt been searched

 

[jackal67]

My theory is that Nicola is in the water.. The key is her long coat.. She sets her phone down on the bench whilst its on call, to put the harness back on her dog. As she bends down to put the harness back on the dog, her feet / knees get trapped on/inside the ankle length coat, causing her to loose footing, take a tumble down the steep bank.. and thus leaving the harness midway between the bench and water.

it has now been stated by police that the gilet was in fact knee length not ankle length as first stated

 

[Dinosaursplash]

I'm specifically interested in the long padded coat/gillet she was wearing. You could be the world's biggest expert in downing cases and have never encountered a coat like that in the water. I am envisioning it sort of turning inside itself and ending up going over her head. If the coat in water made someone immobile it would explain a lot.

Have you ever got stuck trying to pull a dress or jumper over your head? That.

It was tight fitting and over a thicker jacket from the CCTV and Social Media photos, it was also only knee length and would be tighter around the hips on a woman when fastened, so unless she had it unzipped, it's not really plausible IMO, JMO, MOO. They're also not down filled, so IMO it wouldn't even be that cumbersome in water for a strong swimmer.

 

[Deleted member 320164]

I'm specifically interested in the long padded coat/gillet she was wearing. You could be the world's biggest expert in downing cases and have never encountered a coat like that in the water. I am envisioning it sort of turning inside itself and ending up going over her head. If the coat in water made someone immobile it would explain a lot.

Have you ever got stuck trying to pull a dress or jumper over your head? That.

I’ve got a similar coat and I‘m a similar height and build.

If it was unzipped it could easily go over her head as she fell as it’s so light. The hood might flap over her face as she went in and if wet that could make her panic. Down floats so it if was open the coat would spread itself out on the water.

If it was zipped up it would cling to her, they‘re very light though.

Her jeans would be her heaviest item of clothing. I’ve trod water and swum in jeans (during lifesaving training) and they’re heavy.

Her ankle length wellies might fill with water, but the weight of the water might equally pull them off.

I have a friend with a swimming pool.I might give it a try.

 

[russeverton]

If you search Nicolas Facebook profile, which is allowed, you’ll see public posts that include Willow swimming in that very river.

I have seen pics of willow swimming in the wyre there all over the media

 

[Beginnersleuth]

I feel like #1 is still freak accident and in water.

But what piques my “not right” is the fact that it is such an obvious place to fake an accident - to leave the phone and dog lead/harness on/in the area of the seat under the tree with the “deep water” signs and would imply someone who knew the area was involved in the deception.

From where the dog Willow was found it seems the last place she saw Nicola or whoever took her to near the bench was around that gate. Or she had no idea where Nicola was and was trying to go her normal way home.

#1 freak accident near bench - steep bank, cold, can’t get out. Bodies take a while to surface and this part of river is complex as per police

#2 Nicola was at the bench but something happened which led her to going other side of the gate - no signs of struggle so someone she knew or was threatened by ie knife/gun.

#3 disappeared nearer to upper field and someone has brought dog and phone down to bench and planted it there so it looks like an accident. Don’t think 1 person could do this alone.

#4 something up with the witnesses so our timings are out - would’ve thought this would be sorted out by police though?

Where NB is depends. Likely river. Otherwise wonder if there’s any other exits out or hiding places, like river crossing or much further upstream or if planned if there’s a pre-dug grave or something? They’ve had sniffer dogs but we don’t know what if anything even slight they found.

All IMO.

 

[Firstsnow4]

I’m one of few , it seems, that don’t believe she had a tragic accident falling in the river. I believe foul play occurred.
One of my key reasons is because I’m a spaniel walker, springers and cockers for many years by a river. Our dogs are in and out of water. Regular dog walkers don’t venture near the riverside .. we just walk and the dogs know what they’re doing. If she’d only had the dog a week or two and watched it’s every move then yes.. possibly an accident.
Also, I think there was stuff going on in her life what with new business. Anyway, time will tell. One things for sure, I hope she’s found soon. If she’s in the river then there’s nothing more can be done for her except to locate her. If she isn’t, then there’s a lot to be worked on.

I’m still on the fence between foul play and accident. If it’s foul play, the time window seems very small, unless the witness(es) are unreliable/fabricating the times to suit their purpose (I.E if they were involved somehow). JMO.

 

[JennieM]

why do the reports keep saying ankle length? Still, kneeling down on a steep embankment you can still get your knees trapped inside a coat causing a tumble.hmm maybe back to the drawing board for.me

The latest Lancashire police update (yesterday 6 Feb) now describes it as knee length:

As a reminder Nicola is white, 5ft 3ins tall, with light brown shoulder-length hair. She speaks with an Essex accent. She was last seen wearing a long, knee length black quilted gilet with a hood. She had a black Engelbert Strauss coat underneath which had long sleeves and came to her waist. She was wearing tight black jeans and had long green walking socks tucked into her jeans. She was wearing size 5 ankle length green wellington boots from Next.

Her hair was tied into a ponytail. She was wearing a pale blue fitbit.

Lancashire Constabulary - Missing Nicola Bulley - latest update

The latest news and information for Lancashire Constabulary

lancashire.police.uk

 

[colombo101]

If you search Nicolas Facebook profile, which is allowed, you’ll see public posts that include Willow swimming in that very river.

In summer, yes.

But a dog is a lot less keen to enter the water in January when temps are just a few degrees.

 

[kev4pe]

I thought I seen on a map some sort of pond near to where she was last spotted upper field! As far has I know it hasnt been searched

Seems strange that they wouldn't have searched this

 

[CSIAngus]

If there is no evidence of NB leaving the area near the bench on foot, and her dog certainly stayed there when it would surely have followed, then I can see only two scenarios. Either she left the scene in the water or on the water. Asking those with local knowledge if people use small boats on this stretch. I've seen a few search boats on various stretches of the river, but how well used by boats of any description, if at all, is the stretch near the bench?