Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #8

[Lady Stoddart-West]

She did say something about not cordoning off the bench due to it being a beauty spot, because she misunderstood a reporter asking about why they didn’t cordon it off as a crime scene as asking if it should be cordoned off for SAFETY. I saw that live. I’ll have to look back where it was but I definitely saw it.

NB: all my quotes are from the interview. Anyone who cares to can listen to the interview in full and I name the journalist in another post. <modsnip>

The physical cordon and police cordon - she DOES say, Sgt Riley, that due the earliest investigations this was not seen as a CRIME scene so my wider point stands at least in the context of the interviews I quote and reference.

 

[Fishwick]

This gets weirder by the minute. This is what the woman who found Willow originally said:

"The dog looked worried so I tied her up and rushed home as I had to go to an appointment. I then went and spoke to my daughter-in-law and she immediately knew who the dog was, alerted the woman's partner and that was it - the police were on it."

Note the 'immediately' there and the implied speedy phone call to PA. So why was it well over an hour before PA turned up at the bench?????

Passerby raised alarm after finding missing mum's 'worried' dog wandering alone

The unnamed business owner spotted Nicola Bulley's brown springer spaniel Willow running free and also found her mobile phone on a bench by the side of the river on Friday

www.mirror.co.uk

Perhaps her appointment lasted an hour. I do think it's strange to tie someone else's dog up then abandon it.

But if the person who did it is the person I understand it to be, she does seem to have an obsession with dogs being on lead locally.

 

[DianaWW]

This gets weirder by the minute. This is what the woman who found Willow originally said:

"The dog looked worried so I tied her up and rushed home as I had to go to an appointment. I then went and spoke to my daughter-in-law and she immediately knew who the dog was, alerted the woman's partner and that was it - the police were on it."

Note the 'immediately' there and the implied speedy phone call to PA. So why was it well over an hour before PA turned up at the bench?????

Passerby raised alarm after finding missing mum's 'worried' dog wandering alone

The unnamed business owner spotted Nicola Bulley's brown springer spaniel Willow running free and also found her mobile phone on a bench by the side of the river on Friday

www.mirror.co.uk

To me, that reads like the witness went to their appointment. THEN, told their daughter, which got things moving. So if the appointment was for an hour, that would make sense.

 

[supersleuth123]

This gets weirder by the minute. This is what the woman who found Willow originally said:

"The dog looked worried so I tied her up and rushed home as I had to go to an appointment. I then went and spoke to my daughter-in-law and she immediately knew who the dog was, alerted the woman's partner and that was it - the police were on it."

Note the 'immediately' there and the implied speedy phone call to PA. So why was it well over an hour before PA turned up at the bench?????

Passerby raised alarm after finding missing mum's 'worried' dog wandering alone

The unnamed business owner spotted Nicola Bulley's brown springer spaniel Willow running free and also found her mobile phone on a bench by the side of the river on Friday

www.mirror.co.uk

I think that quote implies that the woman first went to her appointment, and then told her daughter in law, who at that point immediately knew whose the dog was (but after an hour or so at the appointment).

 

[rosieposie121]

I believe that I've heard friends say he was, and is on CCTV. Don't think police have commented on it as he's not a POI.

I believe that I've heard friends say he was, and is on CCTV. Don't think police have commented on it as he's not a POI.

I just wondered if NB was gone for so long would he not of started making his own enquirys as to why she wasnt back yet. How long do her walks usually take

 

[themagiceye]

Reassurance to the public.

It was the same with Adrian Lynch. If there's no evidence of foul play, reassure people. Otherwise, there's a murderer on the loose.

If there was any potential that a 3rd party was involved in terms of a complete stranger, the police would have a duty to report on this for the purpose of public safety. If however, they believe a 3rd party is involved who is in some way connected to the victim (ie, it's an isolated incident), then it would be at their discretion with respect to investigation strategy.

 

[cottonweaver]

Expert diver dramatically ends river search for Nicola Bulley

Superintendent Sally Riley, of Lancashire Police, said it remained a 'possibility' that Nicola Bulley, 45, left the area by one path not covered by CCTV cameras

www.dailymail.co.uk

I know it’s the daily Mail and all but on the 3rd picture down where 2 men are carrying a inflatable rolled up boat the caption says

Police last night admitted that Nicola could have left the area with a third party when she vanished during a dog walk near the village of St. Michael's on Wyre, Lancashire, some 12 days ago (Pictured: Lancashire Police carrying inflatable Rib boats during the search for Nicola on Wednesday)

Did the police actually says this ?

It's a bit misleading
'admitted' is DM spin IMO. (ie reluctant to confess to an error)

in reality LancsPolice have been asking for footage for the Garstang exit for a while now, they said while they do not think that NB ever left that field, it's still possible & they're still open to evidence of anything incl criminal involvement

eg this is what they said the day before the presser
'....enquiries now focus on the river path which leads from the fields back to Garstang Road – for that we need drivers and cyclists who travelled that way on the morning of January 27 to make contact. We have already done a lot of work around this, but every piece of footage helps us build up a picture of movements on that morning.'
( so it's not as if LP had been trying to hide anything when they're already appealing for info via this exit)

Lancashire Constabulary - Missing Nicola Bulley - latest update

The latest news and information for Lancashire Constabulary

lancashire.police.uk

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

The bench area was processed early Friday when the police got there.
It's in the replies on their Twitter page.

Thank you. The Police site? This wasn't referenced in my sources. The interviewer asked why they didn't act faster and treat it as a crime scene and these were the responses.

I think one of the MANY issues with this case is that the police narrative appears to shift. As someone referenced upthread the early 'male' witness who was present, allegedly, in earliest sighting, has now disappeared from the narrative and timeline.

Misreports become fact, but the early reports and every solid and reliable source has value as so often the devil is in the detail.

 

[kittythehare]

Trigger warning.

Nicola Bulley diver ENDS SEARCH but insists missing mum did not fall in river as he shows her partner new evidence

The partner of missing Nicola Bulley paid an emotional visit to the last place the mum-of-two was seen

www.gbnews.uk

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

It's a bit misleading
'admitted' is DM spin for a cover-up IMO. (ie reluctant to confess)

in reality LancsPolice have been asking for footage for the Garstang exit for a while now, they said while they do not think that NB ever left that field, it's still possible & they're still open to evidence of anything incl criminal involvement

eg this is what they said the day before the presser
'....enquiries now focus on the river path which leads from the fields back to Garstang Road – for that we need drivers and cyclists who travelled that way on the morning of January 27 to make contact. We have already done a lot of work around this, but every piece of footage helps us build up a picture of movements on that morning.'
( so it's not as if LP had been trying to hide anything when they're already appealing for info via this exit)

Lancashire Constabulary - Missing Nicola Bulley - latest update

The latest news and information for Lancashire Constabulary

lancashire.police.uk

I thought this might happen when he had the 'context' or at least I predicted this (he was vehemently claiming of impossibility for travel too far before, etc). I think we'll hear more in time.

Hopefully pretty soon or the more unpleasant speculation, I fear will escalate.

I hope that this can all be brought to a peaceful resolution in time and love and peace to her family.

 

[Davieson]

So this witness at 9.33am found the phone and dog and it then took another hour for the husband to turn up. What were people doing?! There didn't seem a great urgency did there.

Possibly not, but do we know when the husband was alerted and how long it took him to get to the scene?
How long after that until police arrived ?

 

[Just-a-random-girl]

My mind is blown that a disappearance is pretty much automatically judged as accident rather than criminal simply because it happens by a river with no CCTV. Both scenarios should have equal importance IMO.

Think I'll be avoiding walking along rivers alone in the future. A quick shove and you're swept away and the police won't make it a crime scene or seriously look for anyone? I'm sure this is entering the minds of a few wrong 'uns too...

 

[Blamhappy]

If there was any potential that a 3rd party was involved in terms of a complete stranger, the police would have a duty to report on this for the purpose of public safety. If however, they believe a 3rd party is involved who is in some way connected to the victim (ie, it's an isolated incident), then it would be at their discretion with respect to investigation strategy.

That makes sense. Thank you.

 

[kev4pe]

This gets weirder by the minute. This is what the woman who found Willow originally said:

"The dog looked worried so I tied her up and rushed home as I had to go to an appointment. I then went and spoke to my daughter-in-law and she immediately knew who the dog was, alerted the woman's partner and that was it - the police were on it."

Note the 'immediately' there and the implied speedy phone call to PA. So why was it well over an hour before PA turned up at the bench?????

Passerby raised alarm after finding missing mum's 'worried' dog wandering alone

The unnamed business owner spotted Nicola Bulley's brown springer spaniel Willow running free and also found her mobile phone on a bench by the side of the river on Friday

www.mirror.co.uk

I find it odd that she rushed home. Would you not phone someone at the scene? Especially if you saw a phone on the bench.

 

[Just-a-random-girl]

This gets weirder by the minute. This is what the woman who found Willow originally said:

"The dog looked worried so I tied her up and rushed home as I had to go to an appointment. I then went and spoke to my daughter-in-law and she immediately knew who the dog was, alerted the woman's partner and that was it - the police were on it."

Note the 'immediately' there and the implied speedy phone call to PA. So why was it well over an hour before PA turned up at the bench?????

Passerby raised alarm after finding missing mum's 'worried' dog wandering alone

The unnamed business owner spotted Nicola Bulley's brown springer spaniel Willow running free and also found her mobile phone on a bench by the side of the river on Friday

www.mirror.co.uk

I wouldn't have thought she would have had to physically speak with anyone. Someone with a smart phone (most people?) would surely snap a photo of the dog and WhatsApp or msg the photo?

 

[Firstsnow4]

Could this have been what the witness tied willow up with on the left hand side of the bench? Picture from the 5-2-23.IMO.
View attachment 401261

Crikey good spot!!!

 

[jackal67]

Kitty, it is here, and completely factual. If anyone is very closely following case, they can back me up. I am quoting directly.

I have posted a link. It was NOT in the press conference.

Lucinda Herbert is the journalist 5th February 2023 9:57am - 1 minute read. You can check for yourself.

I am professional with integrity, and extremely thorough in my work. This is a reason things go awry in cases. People assume and jump to conclusions and original narratives are buried.

Where is the posted link please?

 

[cottonweaver]

I thought this might happen when he had the 'context' or at least I predicted this.

I hope that this can all be brought to a peaceful resolution in time and love and peace to her family.

TBH I think it would be great - constructive - if some of the big news media went with the 700 vehicles news, from last night's presser.
If they put that in their titles, it might speed up this part of the investigation.

There's nothing that we can do to expedite stuff - we don't live locally and can't eg. take our dogs for a walk to check the riverbanks further down stream - but those 700 vehicles won't all be locals and national news reporting might prompt people to ask their family who drove thru there if they have dash cam. ( Riley's team are having to write to the 700 who drove thru the village to ask if they have dash cam)

 

[Casseus]

Opinions galore is natural in a case with very little information to sleuth from

 

[Blamhappy]

My mind is blown that a disappearance is pretty much automatically judged as accident rather than criminal simply because it happens by a river with no CCTV. Both scenarios should have equal importance IMO.

Think I'll be avoiding walking along rivers alone in the future. A quick shove and you're swept away and the police won't make it a crime scene or seriously look for anyone? I'm sure this is entering the minds of a few wrong 'uns too...

The investigation will be thorough and methodical. They definitely won't make an assumption and dismiss anything else. They have to go on logic and evidence though.

Luckily, the vast majority of people don't have any inclination to murder anyone. Otherwise, they'd happen constantly.